HK P30 or Sig 229


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bowerj
October 22, 2010, 07:36 PM
Please give me your opinion for my next CCW purchase. Its between these two only: HK P30 or a Sig 229 both in 40 cal. Feel free to explain you choice.

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Dobe
October 22, 2010, 07:40 PM
I would go with the P30. It is completely ambidextrous, and will run dry. It is a nice modern design.
BTW, Sigs are nice too.

Dionysusigma
October 22, 2010, 07:45 PM
Sig. My personal preference--I've never even handled a P30.

Old Navy
October 22, 2010, 08:04 PM
I have a P30 and I have other Sigs. The P30 is the most accurate non 1911 pistol I have EVER shot. AND it comes with TWO magazines!

9mmepiphany
October 22, 2010, 09:25 PM
My only objection to the P30 is the polymer frame, but I think it is a great update for the USP. It is truly ergonomic and I love the Nill designed grips

Dobe
October 22, 2010, 09:32 PM
I felt that way too, until I bought my first HK. The way that HK did it, it really seems to works well. It appears they reduced the weight of the frame, and increased the weight of the slide. The huge slide acts like an AK or FAL bolt. It's hard to stop it from going back into battery.

Ala Dan
October 22, 2010, 09:42 PM
h&k p30

HK-Freak
October 23, 2010, 12:12 AM
P30 by a mile.

Perseverance
October 23, 2010, 12:15 AM
I have the p30 so it would be my choice, however I would recommend the sa/da trigger rather then the v3 or LEM. I'm still working out the very long pull of the trigger and is sort of hindering my accuracy. But 500+ rounds with no failures.

HK-Freak
October 23, 2010, 12:19 AM
I have the p30 so it would be my choice, however I would recommend the sa/da trigger rather then the v3 or LEM. I'm still working out the very long pull of the trigger and is sort of hindering my accuracy. But 500+ rounds with no failures.
V3 is DA/SA. If you don't like your LEM, I'll trade you for my V3 in a heart beat.

bowerj
October 26, 2010, 09:29 PM
ok. this poll is not making my decision any easier

HK-Freak
October 26, 2010, 09:59 PM
The only SIG that I would even remotely consider over a P30 is an old W. German P228. And even then I'd still pick the P30 in a landslide.

BTW, if you look at the guns listed in my signature, you'll notice that I have two SIG's, and I can tell you without hesitation that neither of them come close to any of my HK's.

davidbee
October 26, 2010, 10:17 PM
Hk P30 For 40 s&w.

bowerj
October 27, 2010, 08:16 PM
Honestly, the only thing holding me back from the P30 is that I would really like to have Crimson Trace grips on my CCW. What are the chances of them coming out for the P30? Seems like they would be difficult to engineer for the grips on that gun.

ryan_m
October 27, 2010, 08:27 PM
My vote is for the 229. I have one and I've gone 2000+ rounds with 0 hiccups. Also, I'd stay away from the Crimson Trace grips. Train without using them because if you get used to them, in a legit SD situation, you will revert back to your training. Once you learn point shooting, you'll rarely even use your sights.

Lonestar49
October 27, 2010, 09:46 PM
...

If you can find a non/railed P229/40, that would be my first choice, having 2 myself with a combined total of just over 14k flawless rounds between the 2 of them.

However, if you want NIB and only can get a P229R/40, that will work too..

Luck,



Ls

HK-Freak
October 27, 2010, 10:57 PM
Honestly, the only thing holding me back from the P30 is that I would really like to have Crimson Trace grips on my CCW. What are the chances of them coming out for the P30? Seems like they would be difficult to engineer for the grips on that gun.
I doubt they'll be making a CT grip for the P30 any time soon, but you never know. Here is the new CT system that the SEALs are going to be incorporating into their new HK45C's (they aren't available to the public yet)...

http://www.crimsontrace.com/PressKit/CTCDefense/LGD645.jpg

dabots
November 6, 2010, 01:12 AM
I spent a great deal of time researching these two guns before buying. I went through quite a few guns before coming down to these two. I really thought I was going to get the Sig, but at the end of the day, the P30 won out. I was fortunate enough to be able to handle/fire both. They both handle well and are accurate enough. I found both to have good points and bad, but the balance and ergonomics of the P30 won the day. If you pick one these up, you won't be able to deny that they become an extension of your hand. For me, it does so more than any other pistol I have ever handled.

SigP229R
November 6, 2010, 10:28 AM
I'm with 9mm on this one!!!

CPshooter
November 6, 2010, 03:46 PM
I have a very nice CPO Sig P229 .40 that has been a great gun so far. I have also owned a few H&Ks and my daily carry gun is a P2000sk 9mm.

That said, I prefer H&K overall. I trust them more and believe they are made to better quality standards. The P229 is a rather heavy and bulky gun. Still a great gun, but heavy.

You really can't go wrong with an H&K. If concealed carry is a possibility do yourself a favor and check out the P2000 .40. The P30 is nice for the range, home, or OWB concealed carry, but the P2000 .40 is IMHO their most versatile gun.

Pilot
November 6, 2010, 07:57 PM
I like the HK better. Sigs are fine pistols and while I have a P228 I find it a bit blocky with a high bore axis.

Strahley
November 6, 2010, 08:13 PM
I choose the SIG. They feel better to me, and I like them better. Both would be a great choice, can't really go wrong with either, but the SIG would be my choice

badbadtz560
November 7, 2010, 01:01 AM
I thought I read about reliability issues w/ the newer sigs.. but it could've just been speculation or something.

I say shoot both with as many varieties of triggers as possible. I chose the hk45c because I wanted the cocked'n locked ability.. but later chose p2000sk w/ LEM b/c I really liked the LEM trigger after I tried it

The sig's DA is buttery smooth compared to the HK DA.. but I never use it. the SA trigger is a bit light for me to feel safe with.. but it's definitely nice'n light... I also like the decock better on sigs

both feel comfy in my hands.. so I'd say it's really down to the trigger

oh yes.. and the mag releases are different. I prefer the HK one on the newer models - allows me to change mags w/o altering grip.. big plus there

P30shtr
November 7, 2010, 12:33 PM
I voted P30 but, I guess I'm a bit partial. I would also stick with 9mm and the LEM trigger variant. In my opinion (probably not worth much), the P30 is THE best polymer combat pistol on the market today. Amazing ergos, completely ambi, something like 7 trigger variants, available in 9mm and .40, high German qaulity, the list goes on and on.
Let us know what you get OP

Newton
November 7, 2010, 07:54 PM
My HK P30 in .40S&W is the finest combat pistol I have ever fired.

The trigger even on the DA/SA is superb, the ergonomics are incredible, and recoil is lower than my 9mms.

It is in short one superb piece of engineering.

Zundfolge
November 7, 2010, 08:03 PM
It would depend on where the SIG came from.

German SIG > HK > US Made SIG

gtmtnbiker98
November 8, 2010, 02:45 PM
P30 without a second thought. The P30 will not require the extreme lubrication maintenance as a Classic Sig pistol. The aluminum frame found on Sigs are too fragile and will suffer extreme wear if not properly lubricated.

The HK, on the other hand, will run wet or dry without negative impact on the firearm.

MK11
November 8, 2010, 04:42 PM
Yes, watch out for those aluminum frames! They practically fall apart right in the holsters of all those Navy SEALs and SAS operators.

Shoot 'em both and see which you prefer. Those are two high-ticket items and you owe it to yourself to try them. I'd go for a Sig P229 E2 myself.

bowerj
November 8, 2010, 08:03 PM
Which trigger variants are currently available on the P30. So far all the shops i've called only have the SA/DA in stock but can order an LEM. They cant tell me which variants they are though.

P30shtr
November 8, 2010, 09:11 PM
Mine is a v2 (LEM). That is the most common stateside although, there are like 6 or 7 different trigger variants. Check out HK's website for exact details. Most likely if you would order an LEM version, 9x outta 10 its gonna be v2. I believe its around 7# pull. One of the nice things about H&K firearms is that the triggers are very customizable. Like I said, mine is v2 but, by contacting H&K and ordering a couple springs it could be changed to v1 or v4 quite easily ( trigger return spring and firing pin block spring I believe). If you can stand to wait rather than just take what they have on the shelf I highly recommend getting the LEM. After all this this talk/posts do you find yourself leaning more one way or another? I think I said it before but... check out HKpro for more info than you can stand.

Guns and more
November 9, 2010, 04:26 PM
I have a P-30 and it is the finest firearm I own.

Sigs are reliable, but don't fit my hand as well.

el Godfather
February 16, 2012, 02:22 PM
I was going to post this thread, but after a quick search I found that it already exists.

I have been using P30 for a year now and I was wondering if I need to add the SigP229 to my arsenal. Does is it offer anything above and beyond P30?

memphisjim
February 16, 2012, 02:32 PM
My next pistol will be a p30 or p30l don't know which one yet

mio
February 16, 2012, 09:04 PM
i voted for the hk because ive handled one and loved it. the only reason i didnt buy it was that i didnt see and .357sig barrels for it when i did a search.

ive never handled the sig.

iron maiden
February 17, 2012, 01:15 AM
If you're wanting a sub compact for CCW, you could try the H&K P2000SK....or wait for the Sig P224 to hit the shelves.

2ndamd
February 17, 2012, 01:38 AM
Glock .... haha
Just kidding :)
I like the sig better than the hk.

ExMachina
February 17, 2012, 01:50 AM
the p30 is the "better" of the two...but they're both fantastic pistols

Jed Carter
February 17, 2012, 04:41 AM
H&K night sights are not tritium (at least all that I have seen), they need light to charge, SIG is just a better choice IMO. I do have to admit, I almost decided to use a P30L 9mm for a USPSA production pistol, went with a G34 Glock instead. Wanted to use the H&K HK45 as a home defense pistol but could not get past the cheap glow in the dark sights. One would think at H&K's prices they would have real night sights, for the money they fall short.

skt239
February 17, 2012, 06:23 AM
I love the P30 but I've never been able to justify the price. It's even harder to consider now that the PPQ is out there.

sigarms228
February 17, 2012, 08:15 AM
Having tried the P30 I much prefer and own the P229 which really tames the .40 cartridge, has a great trigger, and is extremely accurate. With the G10 grips on my P229 it is perfect.

The P30 is lighter however. But if I wanted a lighter .40 poly pistol it would be the Walther PPQ without a second thought.

ExMachina
February 17, 2012, 08:20 AM
I love the P30 but I've never been able to justify the price. It's even harder to consider now that the PPQ is out there..

wouldn't call that apples to apples--one's hammer fired one striker fired. a quality hammer fired pistol is always going to be more costly to produce.

Curare
February 18, 2012, 05:03 PM
wouldn't call that apples to apples--one's hammer fired one striker fired. a quality hammer fired pistol is always going to be more costly to produce.

Not true. Arguments with absolutes such as "always" are easily defeated. Case in point: P7M8.

johnnydollar
February 18, 2012, 05:25 PM
Tritium sights will degrade over time, eventually needing to be replaced. HK claims that their "rechargeable" night sights will never need to be replaced.

ExMachina
February 18, 2012, 05:48 PM
Not true. Arguments with absolutes such as "always" are easily defeated. Case in point: P7M8.

Whatever. H&K always finds a way to render a simple concept unaffordable :D

skt239
February 19, 2012, 10:21 PM
wouldn't call that apples to apples--one's hammer fired one striker fired. a quality hammer fired pistol is always going to be more costly to produce.

I should have added its the P30's ergo's that I really love about the P30.

ExMachina
February 19, 2012, 10:40 PM
I should have added its the P30's ergo's that I really love about the P30

you're right about that, though from what other people report, the PPQ comes close to duplicating the feel of the p30.

ritepath
February 19, 2012, 10:58 PM
I love my 40 Cal 229.

el Godfather
February 20, 2012, 05:03 PM
I have P30 and now strrongly considering 229 as well.

12131
February 20, 2012, 05:24 PM
hk 30 or sig 229 40 cal. For ccw?
hk p30

wild cat mccane
February 20, 2012, 05:28 PM
Actually, you have that backwards. The P99(15 years old)/PPQ (around Europe for years as the P99RAD) were copied by HK.

HK P30 comes close to the ergos of the P99. :D

allaroundhunter
February 20, 2012, 07:17 PM
I prefer the Sig, but I would be perfectly happy with either.

skt239
February 22, 2012, 10:07 AM
you're right about that, though from what other people report, the PPQ comes close to duplicating the feel of the p30.

That's why I mentioned it. All the other great things I'm hearing about the PPQ doesn't hurt either.

Creature
February 22, 2012, 10:26 AM
I actually prefer the sig.

Lonestar49
February 22, 2012, 12:25 PM
...

Every time I check, this horse race is neck and neck..

Both guns are excellent weapons,



Ls

el Godfather
February 22, 2012, 12:32 PM
The only Sig I would prefer over HK would be 226 TacOpps.

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