Another concealed carry poll. Opinions please?


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EMace
October 25, 2010, 12:06 AM
I am interested in purchasing 2 .40 cal weapons.

I plan on carrying both weapons on me. 1 owb/iwb depending on what kind of mood I am in, and the backup in a shoulder holster under a light jacket/zip up hoodie.

My question is, which 2 of these choices are easy and comfortable to conceal, fun to shoot at the range, easy to aim (I say this because it is very hard for me to aim with the factory sights on my XDm but easy with the factory sights on my wifes hi-point.), and 100% reliable.

Please provide a brief explanation of why you would pick what you voted for.

If you voted for 1911 or other, please tell me what model you would choose.

I am a new shooter and I will be checking each of these weapons out at the gunstore, your opinion may help to point me in the right direction.

Your feedback will be much appreciated.

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bds
October 25, 2010, 12:41 AM
I voted other - Glock 27.

Just about the smallest package (I prefer the +1 Pearce grip mag base extension) and the option to use G22/G23 mags as spares.

Very accurate and controllable. Drop in a Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrel and have fun shooting 9mm at the range or for practice.

bigfatdave
October 25, 2010, 12:46 AM
two springfield EMPs, so they share mags ... the answer is obvious.

jim243
October 25, 2010, 12:51 AM
Interesting, 6 people voted but no one posted!! As of now.

What throws me is you want two 40 S&Ws! Not exactly what I would call a backup caliber, more like a main gun caliber. But so be it.

The most concealable would be a three inch, mine is a Taurus PT-140 and love it (10 rounds, 3 inch barrel and very concealable) and accruate to 25 feet. Main gun is a FNP-40 (14 rounds, 4 inch barrel) and very reliable and accurate. And this would ride in a shoulder holster as the main gun. I've used shoulder holsters for over 40 years and have no problem with a cross draw (my prefered method of carry).

I am sure others will pipe in soon. 40s are not exactly easy to conceal because of the double stacks, but it can be done.

Good luck
Jim

REAPER4206969
October 25, 2010, 12:53 AM
Glock model 23.

Any other answer is simply wrong. http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif

Dionysusigma
October 25, 2010, 01:19 AM
All are fine choices. I picked the H&K P2000 for comfort, reliability, accuracy, and I like the fact that it's completely ambidextrous. I also picked the P229 for the same reasons (but it's basically right-hand only).

Thing is, most of your choices are about the same difficulty to aim as the XD(m), save for buying aftermarket (custom) sights or painting them like the Hi-Point (crude, but effective solution).

The key factors remaining, then, are weight and ergonomics. I'd carry a Glock in a heartbeat if their finger grooves sat right--as it is, they poke directly into the center of my fingers, and I can't even stand to hold them, much less actually shoot them. I'd carry an all-steel 1911 if it wasn't so dang heavy.

If I could go back and vote on a third .40, it would be "other," with the suggestion you try out a Kahr PM40 or CW40, as they're easily concealed, light, and comfortable (at least to me). :)

Ragnar Danneskjold
October 25, 2010, 01:34 AM
I also picked the P2000 also for comfort, reliability, accuracy, and the fact that it's completely ambidextrous.

Honorable mention to the G23 though because it might be one of the easiest pistols ever to find holsters/accessories for.

aussieman
October 25, 2010, 02:15 AM
I just bought a P30, which may become my new carry weapon; however, I own a 1911 and a 229, but I carry a Walther P99.

That was my first pistol I legally bought because I was 21 and thought James Bond was cool as ****. Because of this I trained with the P99. A LOT. I became proficient with that weapon and since I've learned to carry in almost any situation with that gun, that is my carry choice.

I've been a lurker on a bunch of boards and usually search and read a lot, but one thing I've realized is that most of these questions can't be answered across the internet. You need to try each one and see what works for you. The P30 I just ordered fits my hand perfectly, is light and small enough for me to conceal, and the ergonomics appear that this will replace my P99. It may suck for you, but for me I think it's going to be the tits.

That being said: I would steer away from the 1911 as it is metal framed and a bit heavier. Also, it was designed for .45. I don't want to start a debate, but I like it better as a 45.

The 229 is a bit heavy for me for every day CCW. And for as large as the grip was in my hand, it should hold more than 12 rounds. I have a 357 barrel for it that's fun, but I feel there are better choices for CCW, especially that you're going to be carrying 2 pistols and probably some extra mags.

aussieman
October 25, 2010, 02:22 AM
My 229 is in SS so it's a bit heavier than most, but the 229 in SAS that's been dehorned and made for carry is lighter and obviously has been built for carry duty. Still, just didn't compare to my P99, but that brings me back to get what works for you. Try them all out, ask for a holster and see how it fits for you.

uspJ
October 25, 2010, 02:24 AM
I went with the glock 23 and other for the glock 27. You would have the same manual of arms, and could share the mags of the 23.

Big Bill
October 25, 2010, 02:36 AM
None of the above...

bds
October 25, 2010, 02:37 AM
I trained with the P99. A LOT. I became proficient with that weapon and since I've learned to carry in almost any situation with that gun, that is my carry choice.
aussieman, excellent post.

EMace
October 25, 2010, 02:55 AM
None of the above...
Strange, but for some reason, your reply is in no way helpful. Please don't take out your indifference towards life on my thread.

DonRon
October 25, 2010, 03:12 AM
Glock 26 has been mine for several years now

Jed Carter
October 25, 2010, 04:38 AM
Get both SIGs with the tritium night sights. If you go with a 1911 I use the SIG RCS commander length slide on an officer size frame, very concealable. Good other alternative would be the 9mm CZ PCR, I am a SIG man own 6 now, but my daily carry weapon is the CZ PCR. It is just the right size and shape. The 9mm can get the job done with lower muzzle rise than a .40 in my experience, thus faster follow up shots on target.

Girodin
October 25, 2010, 04:57 AM
Glock 26 has been mine for several years now

OP wants a .40.

No in .40 but I have a 1911, a G19 and a Sig 229. I like the sig but it is big thick and heavy. If you are carrying two guns then you may not like one of them being big and heavy. I also am not a fan of the rather high bore axis of the sigs. One thing to consider is how you feel about DA/SA. Some like it some despise it.

1911s, I like them. The draw back is they are often a bit more "fussy" than polymer striker fired guns. That said they are thin conceal well and are amongst the best shooters for me. If it is a 1911 I know runs I'd be happy to have it as a carry gun. Again one draw back here is weight. A 5" 1911 is not a light gun. You could get a smaller lighter model. What 1911s are you looking at? Another draw back is that the thin grip comes at the price of magazine capacity.

I like glocks. While I personally opt for a 19 over a 23, the 23 is a great gun. They make a good carry gun and I don't have anything bad to say about them.

A glock 27 is also worth looking at although there is a good argument that the 27 really isn't much easier to conceal than a 23.

I'm not sure I personally would want to carry two dramatically different guns at the same time as carry guns. I do not know what your rational is but I will try to lay out my way of thinking and the foundations for that premise.

I believe what is likely to be the most outcome determinative factor in a gun fight is how well one can shoot and run their gun. Repeated practice and consistency come into play. I carry a bug that is dramatically different from my primary gun but that is because it is a little pocket pistol. Unless it is just an excuse to buy two different guns I might consider two of the same model (if you really feel the need to carry to guns of that size) or similar models such as some combo of the Glock 22/23/27. If they are going to be the same size then consistency between the two makes sense to me. Same trigger, controls in the same place, point the same, feel the same, etc.

In all honesty all of the guns listed could be used defensively and what your preferences are will matter the most.

If I was just going to buy two guns on your list and one of them would be my primary carry gun then I would get the 23 and 1911. If for whatever reason I really wanted to carry two big guns at the same time then I would probably carry either two 1911s or two glocks and a spare mag that fit them both.

Girodin
October 25, 2010, 05:00 AM
The 9mm can get the job done with lower muzzle rise than a .40 in my experience,

You've been involved in a defensive shooting with the 9mm? I do agree however, that the 9mm is as good if not a better choice. The difference in the effect of rounds with quality ammo seems to be negligable. Where as the difference in follow up shots and/or capacity might not be and are bigger factors for me.

SKILCZ
October 25, 2010, 06:53 AM
If you insist on .40 S&W, get a CZ P-07.

Sapper771
October 25, 2010, 09:34 AM
I voted Glock 23 and other. Other being a Glock 27.

Both are 40cal., concealable, light, reliable, and accurate. The Glock 23 mags can be used in both, with the option of using the Glock 22 mags. Most parts are interchangeable. The Glocks are also the most economical choice on your list.

Either way, Good Luck.

DasFriek
October 25, 2010, 09:48 AM
I cant recommend anything as the way you want to do your carrying makes picking guns hard. You have issues with the sight picture of smaller and mid sized guns, But want 2.

Using a shoulder holster is hard to do all the time and you will be left with one gun you cant conceal once in a while. Or two guns that need to be worn IWB which is very hard to do.

Imo, I suggest you find 1 gun first. Pick it out specifically as a gun you know you can always carry and always conceal and easy enough to see the sight picture.
You can experiment with many holsters and ways of carrying that gun and try and find 3 places you can comfortably carry it.
Then once your that far in try imagining carrying and concealing two of those, I doubt you will want to in the end.

As a second gun/Back-up i advise you go smaller and not the same size.
You will most likely want a smaller .380/9mm single stack back-up you can throw in a back pocket in a holster and it wont demand you wear a jacket.

I like .40 double stacks as main guns, But prefer .45's and the full sized 1911.
I used to carry a back-up and got away from it and sold them, But id like to get another.
Not so much for the reason of carrying two guns. But for the reason of if im in a hurry and dont have to to holster up i can just throw it in my back pocket and go.
Or if its gonna be a strenuous day with alot of movement and bending over id like an easy small gun that wont restrict my movements.

I like 5" 1911's but its no beginners ccw gun as it can be hard to find the right way to carry.
Id suggest a compact or mid sized .40 of high quality, And invest in good belts and holsters also. 1 holster wont do it all either, Try your shoulder holster with it too.
Then once you get that to where you like it look into a backup gun that will fit your needs in both size and firepower.
My favorite backup was the Sig P238 despite all the bad press you read here on it.
A Walther PPS 9mm isnt a pocket gun but i could back pocket carry it with a handmade cover.
Keltec PF9 and PF11 are well liked guns for backups with great firepower.

Even tho i don't recommend a 5" 1911 as a first ccw gun a mid sized 4" would be a great one. 3" 1911's can be good but round count goes down and they can be finicky guns and not the best for a new 1911 owner to learn how to fix small issues.

Glocks and SpringField XD's are great guns and i suggest the mid sized guns. I carry an XD subcompact .40 with high cap spare mag when im not carrying my 5" 1911 which the 1911 is on my 80% of the time and i use the XD in hot weather were clothing is hard to conceal the larger gun.

Sig 239 especially the SAS version has always been one of my drool guns.
The HK P2000SK is a gun i think i like as well as any 1911 looks wise and thats hard to do. Neither of these two ive shot or owned.

The Bushmaster
October 25, 2010, 09:59 AM
I agree with Big Bill. "None of the above." His answer didn't sound like an "indifference towards life." Sounded more like an opinion and that's what you asked for. Because I don't agree with your choices doesn't mean I'm indifferent towards life. It just means that I carry a Kimber UCC II or a S&W M19 or a M43 Firestar or a Colt 1911.

Mags
October 25, 2010, 10:03 AM
Glock 23 and M&P 40c, or Glock 23 and Glock 32.

moonman16
October 25, 2010, 10:10 AM
I carry a NEW YORK RELOAD, depending upon the weather and clothing worn, a 1911 or a Kahr PM45 along with a S&W J-Frame or a Ruger LCP. To quote Thunder Ranch's Clint Smith, "One is none, two is one, and three is better."

Mags
October 25, 2010, 10:13 AM
The Springfield EMP 40 just popped in my head, it will make a fine backup to a Glock 23. But if you go with a Glock 27 you can use Glock 23 mags in you bug!

G27RR
October 25, 2010, 10:30 AM
If you go with a 1911, take a look at the STI Ranger II. I have a pair in 9mm and .45 and they're outstanding 4.25" models. If you want even smaller, checkout the Shadow or Escort models in 3" officer size. I think you can get all those in .40 but you may have to order them.

If you want something other than 1911, the Kahr PM40 or CW40 should get a look, and maybe the Glock 27 but it'll be thicker than any of the others I mentioned.

jon86
October 25, 2010, 11:26 AM
I went with the glock 23 and other for the glock 27. You would have the same manual of arms, and could share the mags of the 23.


This is EXACTLY what I would do. In my opinion, with two autoloaders, it would be hard to beat this setup.

ScottM
October 25, 2010, 11:37 AM
Quote:
I went with the glock 23 and other for the glock 27. You would have the same manual of arms, and could share the mags of the 23.

This is EXACTLY what I would do. In my opinion, with two autoloaders, it would be hard to beat this setup.


+1...Shared mags / same cal. / same manual of arms = very efficient

badbadtz560
October 25, 2010, 11:47 AM
I voted for g23 and p2000.. but for the same reasons as above, I went w/ p2000 and p2000sk. The only reason I skipped on the glock is b/c I have a personal preference towards the LEM trigger... otherwise I shot both the best

some ppl have talked about glock having an unsupported barrel for the .40s? Maybe the glock could potentially break prematurely, but my shooting habits would never gather a round count to have that happen...

your three other options are just unreliable IMO (I have no proof). If u get a good one, great.. but browsing forums makes me think there's a higher chance of gettin a problematic one...

Mikhail Weiss
October 25, 2010, 01:18 PM
From that list, Glock 23. Reason: personal preference. Good combination of size, weight, capacity, simple manual of arms. Though much reviled, the factory sights are perfectly adequate for defensive use. That is, they are very easy to quickly see. If not, swapping them out with something else is easy.

But since you say you're a new shooter, the best approach would be to shoot samples of each, then decide what works best for you.

Not on the list, but among my favorites these days: Smith & Wesson's M&P. I much prefer the grip.

GunTech
October 25, 2010, 01:33 PM
Of the pistols mentioned, the Glock 23 and Glock 27. The 23 is the gold standard for concealed carry - proven, light and reliable. The 27 is its smaller brother and makes a great backup. You can use 23 mags in the 27.

EMace
October 25, 2010, 07:01 PM
I agree with Big Bill. "None of the above." His answer didn't sound like an "indifference towards life." Sounded more like an opinion and that's what you asked for. Because I don't agree with your choices doesn't mean I'm indifferent towards life. It just means that I carry a Kimber UCC II or a S&W M19 or a M43 Firestar or a Colt 1911.
I did indeed ask for an opinion, I also asked for a brief explanation of that opinion. His post seemed more smart-ass than helpful.

DonRon
October 25, 2010, 07:34 PM
Well permit me to add my opinion in this. A 1911 is the worst CCW you could carry. The reason for that conclusion by me is that it takes two actions to fire the pistol. 1.Take off the safety then 2.Pull the trigger. I much prefer a pistol that only requires one natural action.....PULL the trigger. This was ONE of major considerations in the Military's decision to scrap the 1911 and go with the Beretta 92. Now 1911 are great range and play toys and I got a bunch of them but I carry a Glock or a Kahr and my wife carries a Kel Tec PF 9.

No flames needed this is just my point of view!:uhoh:

Sgt_R
October 25, 2010, 07:36 PM
G23 + g27

DonRon
October 25, 2010, 07:42 PM
Looks like "Other" is a run away!

mongo4567
October 25, 2010, 08:32 PM
I voted 1911 and other. I would recommend an STI Escort and a Kahr PM40

Girodin
October 25, 2010, 08:47 PM
A 1911 is the worst CCW you could carry. The reason for that conclusion by me is that it takes two actions to fire the pistol. 1.Take off the safety then 2.Pull the trigger. I much prefer a pistol that only requires one natural action.....PULL the trigger.

I'm going to have to disagree. If you are as proficient with your carry gun as one ought to be then swiping the safety as the gun is presented IS NATURAL.

The debate of an external safety has gone on many times and there is no need for a full rehash here. There are arguments on both sides. It certainly is not a disqualifying feature for a carry gun and it alone is definitely not enough to make the 1911 the worst choice for a carry gun as there are many other pistols that also have external safeties and but other attributes that make them far less ideal.

Oh and the military's considerations for a sidearm are FAR different than my considerations for a CCW gun

HK-Freak
October 25, 2010, 09:26 PM
P2000, and it's not even close.

dcarch
October 25, 2010, 09:30 PM
I would go with the FNX 40, or perhaps the HK 2000. Both are excellent pieces.

Trumac
October 25, 2010, 10:59 PM
I went with the glock 23 and other for the glock 27. You would have the same manual of arms, and could share the mags of the 23.


I just carry my 23 and an extra magazine. But if i were to carry two guns this would be it I suppose.

DonRon
October 26, 2010, 12:05 AM
I'm going to have to disagree. If you are as proficient with your carry gun as one ought to be then swiping the safety as the gun is presented IS NATURAL.

The debate of an external safety has gone on many times and there is no need for a full rehash here. There are arguments on both sides. It certainly is not a disqualifying feature for a carry gun and it alone is definitely not enough to make the 1911 the worst choice for a carry gun as there are many other pistols that also have external safeties and but other attributes that make them far less ideal.

Oh and the military's considerations for a sidearm are FAR different than my considerations for a CCW gun
Well we concluded one thing real quick in the service. The 1911 was designed for right handed shooters only. When the south paws went on century they had to leave their pistols on half cock or hammer down on a hot round. I don't think I have to tell you what that created.

All things considered, make mine Glock for CCW and I play with my 1911 at the range. I show my friends my 1911 but my enemies will see my Glock real quick. In fact, I use my Glock to protect my 1911 collection. But that's just me.

Girodin
October 26, 2010, 12:05 PM
double post

Girodin
October 26, 2010, 12:09 PM
When the south paws went on century they had to leave their pistols on half cock or hammer down on a hot round. I don't think I have to tell you what that created.

I can think of a better solution(s). As an aside, one should be able to run (draw, shoot, reload, clear stoppages, etc) their defensive handgun right or left handed including with only the left of right hand. IMHO that type of thing is basic stuff that anyone carrying a gun ought to know. If getting the safety of with the left hand is a huge problem one could use an ambi safety.

More than a few lefties carry 1911s.

For what its worth I carry a glock most of the time. I, however, would have no issues carrying a 1911 and consider a good 1911 to be a fine defensive weapon. My reasons for not carrying a 1911 more often have nothing to do with the safety or not being able to run the gun left handed. It may not be for everyone, but then neither is a glock.

Isher
October 26, 2010, 01:04 PM
I'll probably get thoroughly castigated for this, but to me the .40 S&W is a classic example of the definition of a compromise (between the 9mm and the .45 ACP), "a thing with the disadvantages of both and the advantages of neither". I just have never cottoned to that cartridge.

That being said, any one of the CZ 75 series as a primary, along with a PCR or a RAMI (if you want something really small) would be very difficult to beat.

Me? I carry a P-01 with a couple spare mags, but then again I don't live in an urban aggro-land.


Isher

Ala Dan
October 26, 2010, 01:12 PM
Kahr CW-40 and PM40~! ;) :D

~Boomslang~
October 26, 2010, 01:21 PM
I shoot and carry a Sig P250 compact daily. I love the overbuilt straightforward design. If you do check one out avoid the older frame models that will be found at discount prices, these had some problems, and are obosolete. The new model frames will accept the current magazines, and are utterly reliable.

doc2rn
October 26, 2010, 01:26 PM
I would get something that reduces the recoil of the 40 like a BHP or a Beretta with the rotating barrel.

ForumSurfer
October 26, 2010, 01:43 PM
If the xd doesn't point naturally for you, the glock is for you.

I prefer 1911's. I had to learn to shoot my glock. An XD by comparison, pointed much more naturally to me.

There are no wrong answers. We can't tell you the perfect choice for you. Go and rent each one, and put 50-100 rounds at least through each...then make a decision. Good luck!

mordechaianiliewicz
October 26, 2010, 01:51 PM
If you do use 1911, I would carry a Commander, or a Compact model.

BlayGlock
October 26, 2010, 03:56 PM
Its hard to beat 1911s and compact glocks for carry IMO. I voted 1911 and G23.

Steelshooter101
October 26, 2010, 05:51 PM
Again I say it is important to try them out on a range that you can rent them. I prefer either the XD subcompact or the CZ75D for carry. Then the XDM or FNX9 for the range and shooting speed plates

Big Bill
October 26, 2010, 06:17 PM
Strange, but for some reason, your reply is in no way helpful. Please don't take out your indifference towards life on my thread.Sorry. I wasn't being indifferent; I just disagreed with the choices. Of the guns listed, I'd go with the SIG 239s. :)

gordy
October 26, 2010, 07:28 PM
I picked both sigs, Just because there both safe to carry in any condition. I don't feel safe putting a colt or a clone of one in my pants hammer back and a loaded chamber. Same with a glock or like trigger action The only needed safety on a handgun is you. Sigs are like a good revolver. They work when you need it.
No safety on them to miss in a hurry, no way to grab wrong and not engage the safety. Nice DA trigger that only goes bang when you want it to.And there is a safe way to put the hammer down when you need that also.:neener:

Pyzon
October 26, 2010, 07:37 PM
I have to agree with Isher reagarding his choice of one or two of the CZ's. My personal favorite is a nickel 75B (in .40) with a spare mag, but a RAMI as a BUG would probably also fit my bill. I have owned a few of your choices over the years but shoot the CZ's by far the best.

Girodin
October 26, 2010, 08:19 PM
I don't feel safe putting a colt or a clone of one in my pants hammer back and a loaded chamber.

Are you talking with or without a holster? With a good holster I see absolutely no issue whatsoever. Without a holster I wouldn't carry my sig that way either.

Dean1818
October 26, 2010, 08:28 PM
Cosider the Bersa 40 Ultra Compact

Very solid all metal pistol. Only 23 Ounces.

Reviews are very good

www.bersafirearmsusa.com/bersa-firearms/thunder-9-and-45-uc-pro-series.html

I just recieved mine yesterday ($352 from Buds)
for CCW, will use a CrossBreed

Zerodefect
October 26, 2010, 09:24 PM
I voted Glock 23 and 1911. Predictable huh?

Skip the 27. It's the same thing as the 23, it hardly conceals better at 3 oclock, and conceals the same at 5-6. Only real advantage was at 4 on me, so I sold it.

Subcompact is not not Glocks strongest area, that's more for Kahrs PM9 IMO.

Girodin
October 26, 2010, 10:11 PM
Subcompact is not not Glocks strongest area, that's more for Kahrs PM9 IMO.

I'd say the k9 P9 CW9 are more akin to the subcompact glocks than the PM9. I might well carry my Kahr but sadly it is not nearly as reliable as my glock. I have a 19 and a 26. I agree the difference is not huge. Some people in some modes of carry may find the difference to be just enough. To me there is not much difference shooting them either. I probably wouldn't go to the effort to trade one for another but that's just me.

AKElroy
October 26, 2010, 10:17 PM
G23 in an open-top pancake under an un-tucked shirt for casual carry; G27 for pocket carry in a desantis nemesis when more concealment is needed, full sized G22 mag in the weak side pocket for either choice. Gotta love those interchangable mags--

tinygnat219
October 27, 2010, 05:14 AM
I suggested the Glock 23 as a primary: Good compromise of shootability, concealability, and capacity. That and my Gen 4 G19 has been rock solid, as was the Gen 3 G19 prior to that.

I also suggested the H&K P2000 for the customization out of the box (what other gun has buildable SIDE Grip panels?) and the ergonomics. I've also heard good things about them.

Forget the SIGs, WAY overpriced for what you get.

dcarch
October 27, 2010, 10:37 AM
What about a Glock G28 or G25? Oh wait, .380 Glocks aren't available for resale in the U.S. My bad.

Ben86
October 27, 2010, 12:08 PM
I voted glock 23 and other. The other being the glock 27. Both are great guns, and fun at the range. The glock 23, IMO, has the best all around size and is in the best all around caliber. The glock 27 is its more concealable, lighter little brother. Manual of arms is identical and overall feel (especially if the grip extension is used on the G27) is similar resulting in a familiarity that will encourage a higher level of mastery.

JohnBiltz
October 27, 2010, 04:28 PM
Carrying two full size guns seems excessive to me particularly if you have never carried before. I doubt you could do it successively, success being measured by not being noticed and comfort. A LEO is a different story, he has a different threat level. I don't carry a BUG myself but I'd go with a pocket pistol or an ankle gun if I did. Its a back up.

bigfatdave
October 27, 2010, 07:17 PM
dcarch, what does that have to do with anything?

These threads are silly enough without people assuming that a .380 will do for someone who wants the fo-tay

And the only correct answer to the OP is still a pair of Springfield EMPs in .40

dmpickers
October 27, 2010, 08:18 PM
springfield xd sub compact

sxcamaro05
October 27, 2010, 09:21 PM
Maybe a S&W Sig and a Beretta 96. Not the most expensive combo but I like the feel of each.

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