Suggestions for Snubby Match stages


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David E
October 25, 2010, 03:12 PM
The title says it all. There is an indoor Snubby match next month.

What do you think would make a good stage? What kind of snubby skills should be tested?

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sm
October 25, 2010, 04:54 PM
1. Entering/exiting a structure, and answering the door.

2. Diaper Changing Station, in a restroom.
2a. Baby in arms.

3. Wheelchair and Crutches.

4. Cooking, dining, cleaning the dishes.

5. Bathing kids, or bathing dogs.

6. Under the sink, doing plumbing ( installing a garbage disposal for example) or any home repair.

7. Reclining watching TV.

8. In bed, and awakened by a threat with the arrival of a family member coming in after late shift/on call.

9. Having strong hand /arm in a "cast" and having to use weak side.

10. In a NPE (non-permissive[weapon] environment) and having to use a snub nose revolver left by good guy (bank security/ school security) or even that of bad guy.
(hint, a good idea to check to see if the darn thing has ctgs, and if so, how many, and if not, any reloads on the downed/dead person)

These are some I have done, or have set up and assisted with others. All sorts of things come out, such as preventive measures, awareness, how to carry the gun ( holsters, etc) , how assessable the gun is ( i.e wheelchair/crutches), having others in your charge (kids) and dealing with a situation.keeping the gun running and often overlooked, is dealing with a threat(s) without having to go to gun.

Landric
October 25, 2010, 07:04 PM
Are you going to have reloads on the clock? That makes a lot of difference as to what kind of stages you set up. My only experience with such matches is IDPA BUG matches where small autos and revolvers compete together, so reloading on the clock is not required.

Sam1911
October 25, 2010, 07:20 PM
(hint, a good idea to check to see if the darn thing has ctgs, and if so, how many, and if not, any reloads on the downed/dead person)

That is very reminiscent of a certain Tactical venue I'm somewhat familiar with which has a tendency to introduce an unarmed participant into a room with a downed man (dummy) and a J-frame on the table/bar/ground nearby. There is a reload in the pocket of the dummy, but (of course) five empty cases in the gun. Two steps past the dummy, a threat rushes out.

Of course, most participants are so wired, and so happy to have found the gun, that they go ahead and take those two steps and "CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK..." :evil:

A great object lesson. Hard to put into a (legal) IDPA stage. :cool:

David E
October 26, 2010, 12:13 AM
Yes, reloads will be on the clock. No, it's not IDPA.

Due to the expected turnout, there cannot be any "surprise" stages, as they just take too dang long.

15 shots and 2 speedloaders, sometimes less, will get you thru any stage.

Keep the ideas coming!

lions
October 26, 2010, 12:35 AM
Not knowing which type of match or the rules associated with it...

Stretch some shots out to a longer distance/ threat targets partially behind cover. That'll show you who has good trigger control.:evil:

If you can, a low light stage would be interesting with small snubby sights. Some ranges allow you to dim only a portion of the range so you can have the shooter stand in that area.

Weak hand only would be interesting with a snubby as well.

David E
October 26, 2010, 10:15 AM
Think of it as "Tactical Action Pistol."

More akin to USPSA as far as target engagements and movement goes, but target sequence can be mandated as can reloads. (kind of self-regulating when shooting a 5-shot snubby)

Long range accuracy is going to be tested, as well as strong/weak hand only shooting.

A new scoring system will be utilized for this match that adds significant time to the stage run for bad shots and penalties.

lions
October 26, 2010, 04:41 PM
One more thought, put a swinger partially behind cover or some non-threat targets. That tends to encourage some shooters to jerk the trigger, which when combined with a snubby, will do nasty things to their score.

sm
October 26, 2010, 05:27 PM
Sam1911 wrote:Of course, most participants are so wired, and so happy to have found the gun, that they go ahead and take those two steps and "CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK..."

Yes, one of the loudest sounds one can hear is "click".

Note: I have never attended a known gun school. All my stuff was private, and some of the folks were interesting...this is the kind of set-ups and lessons I was raised with.

Additional items:
- 3 D targets.
-Moving targets.
-Female targets
-Reality Start

I just come up with 3 D, moving targets, and female targets. In my experiences, It seems a female is more likely to shoot a female threat, than a male.

Now most of my stuff, did NOT have a start buzzer, instead the "start" was something one might actually have happen in real life, to start the set-up/stage.
The Objective, was to survive the threat(s). Meaning, not everything defaults to gun.

True examples:

-Walking up to the front door, one lives alone/hotel room alone (etc.,), no pets, etc, and finding the door has been defeated and there are persons inside.
I was the only one, that left the doorstep, retreated to a neighbor, and called police. Everyone else, went inside and started shooting.

-Downed "bank guard", handgun on floor, and I was the only one that did not go for the gun. Instead, since I was the only customer, I used "furniture" (cover/concealment) to get to a exit, and evade, and calling police directly. ( I come up before 911 and cell phones, so I called police direct by habit).
Why? My objective was to survive the threat, so I saw no reason to expose myself in attempting to get a gun, when I could evade, so I did.

-The criminals were the females. In one set up, the female was real attractive, wearing a nice, low cut dress.
In another, it was an attractive, teenager, wearing "seductive" short skirt and tank top. (real skimpy, and not leaving much to the imagination).
The "good guys" were scruffy looking and some others shot the wrong threats.
In this one, I had no problem shooting the females...

-Noise, Lights, etc.

I would introduce blaring TV, Stereo, babies and others crying, wailing, screaming... Police/Fire/EMT Lights and Sirens...
Low light, strobes, and for sure, blacklight.

I would also consider having recorded some serious nerve racking things, for those up to it.
Get a female to record her fighting off sexual assault/rape for instance.
Even a child screaming and crying "No!" or "Mommies Hurt!".

kayak-man
November 7, 2010, 12:33 AM
SM, those are brilliant idea. I especially like 3 and 5. because they test how well you can adapt your tactics to the environment.

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