Pistol Accuracy at 50 meters distance ?


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SA
October 25, 2010, 05:49 PM
Hi everyone.

I have been looking for some evidence in the form of actual tests whether a semi-automatic handgun can be used accurately from 50 meters range.

During the process I came across these test results http://thegunforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=108&start=0

The person here is testing four handguns --> a Russian Baikal MP446, Serbian CZ999, an NP22 & a Taurus PT99.

Among these, the accuracy from the PT99 and NP22 were the better ones. He scored 130/200 and 120/200 respectively with these two handguns.

Now my questions are:

1) Do these results prove that it is indeed possible to shoot at a human sized target accurately from such distance.

2) Is it possible that this shooter was more familiar with the PT99 and hence shot better with this particular gun as compared to others?

Feedbacks will be appreciated.

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bc1023
October 25, 2010, 05:58 PM
The guns are certainly capable.

I've got a couple 1911s guaranteed to shoot 1.5" groups at 50 yards from a ransom rest.

Its all about the shooter.

The Lone Haranguer
October 25, 2010, 06:02 PM
Any quality handgun is mechanically capable of that level of accuracy. Some design features of handguns may not lend themselves well to long range precision shooting (e.g., "squishy," rough or heavy trigger pulls, poor sights), but by and large, the only limiting factor is the shooter.

Captcurt
October 25, 2010, 06:16 PM
Now I'll have to go see what I can do with my Hi Power. I used to go to the police range with a buddy who was a cop. I've seen some great groups shot at 50yds with revolvers. That was before the semi's came into vogue. I have shot some respectable groups with my 22/45's at 50yds though.

gordy
October 25, 2010, 06:23 PM
But you need to ask, What is the bullet performance at 50 meters,( I like yards better but that's a different story). At this distance you would be much better off with a 30 carbine or a 7.62x39, or a 44 magnum.:)

Hammerdown77
October 25, 2010, 06:35 PM
Nah, a service pistol round will be plenty effective at 50 meters (roughly 55 yards). I wouldn't want to stand in front of a .45 ACP at that range.

PO2Hammer
October 25, 2010, 06:42 PM
I know quite a few shooter including myself who can hit an IDPA target with regularity at 50 yards (unsupported).
My Freedom Arms revolver, HK USP .45, Les Baer 1911 .38 Super have all shot sub-5 inch groups at that distance, again, freestanding.
Now, if the target is shooting back, my groups might open up a bit ;)

Most pistol rounds will still have 85% or more of their velocity at 50 yards, and the hollowpoints should function normally.
I like the .45 caliber semi-wadcutter design for shooting at distance, seems to keep it's accuracy well at that distance and it's a proven design for non-expanding bullets.

PO2Hammer
October 25, 2010, 06:47 PM
If you want to really be impressed, see if your local library has a copy of 'Sixguns' by Elmer Keith.

cavman
October 25, 2010, 06:48 PM
I wouldn't want to stand in front of a .45 ACP at that range.

Certainly not. pg 30 of Jerry Kuhnhausen's Vol II 1911 Shop Manual quotes early ordinance tests that at 250 yards the .45 penetrated white pine 6".

DonRon
October 25, 2010, 06:55 PM
I have a neighbor that can hit a telephone pole stump consistently with a 7.625x39 Tok and it blows right through at 100 yards.

DonRon
October 25, 2010, 06:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFd3kF6LHz4



No explanation needed!

wanderinwalker
October 25, 2010, 06:59 PM
It's easily possible to hit a torso-sized target at 50 meters with a handgun. Even with a Glock with a factory trigger and night sights, hits on an IDPA silhouette at 50 yards are easily repeatable. I mean, I can even do it with the Glock 26 with my pinky hanging off of the bottom of the grip. And even the 14x18" plate at 100 yards is in danger more often than not.

The myth that a handgun is useless beyond contact distance is just that, a MYTH.

SlamFire1
October 25, 2010, 07:07 PM
In my opinion the guy is cheating. He is firing with bench support and his hands are supported. Lots of people shoot handguns and rifles with sand bag rests and think themselves outstanding shots. But take the bench, sand bags away and they don’t do very well.

Folks won’t take the time and effort to learn how to shoot unsupported, because of this a market has developed for portable lightweight hunting benches and shooting rests. Guys are taking their bench with them.

Because I am a decent shot unsupported, I am grumpy about all this bench stuff. Sort of “that was the way it was and we liked it”. :cuss:

I shoot my handguns offhand. My preference. :neener:I shoot at a 12” gong target. Makes a big clang. At 25 yards, this is a really good 48 round group with a 45 ACP Colt Combat Elite.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/Targets/ReducedColtCombatElite48rounds230LR.jpg

When the day is good, and I feel good, and the load is good, and the gun is good, I can get nice clusters at 25 yards.

When I move the gong out to 50 yards, I don’t take pictures. I don’t get “clusters”. There is nothing to brag about. In fact it is downright easy to miss the whole target. Does not take much to miss the whole berm. Thank goodness, no matter how bad my followthrough, I will always intercept the earth. I would have felt awful if I accidently winged the Space Shuttle. When the acquired flinch causes me to hit less than half the time at 50 yards, I quit. And yes, the flinch gets worse the more I shoot, and it gets worse quicker with increased recoil.

Another reason I don't shoot my 44 Magnums much anymore.

50 yards is a long way with a handgun. A Red Dot increases hit probability, don’t have any scoped handguns yet, but still, just the slightest twitch, and the bullet is going in the berm.

I am in total awe of Wild Bill Hickcok shooting someone dead, with a handgun, at 50 yards. The guy must not have had any nerves, a pulse, or breathed air.

DonRon
October 25, 2010, 07:20 PM
Now this at 50 meters is a real work saver. especially when fence building!

M2 Carbine
October 25, 2010, 07:44 PM
Pistol Accuracy at 50 meters distance ?
You could ask my young friend here. Her target is the small (12 inch) white steel plate and she seldom misses.:)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/52yardsNatshooting.jpg

Some of my favorite shooting is with small handguns at 52 yards.




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SharpsDressedMan
October 25, 2010, 09:06 PM
Here it is again (posted it in a a couple other threads). Colt .32, 8 shots, 50 yards. Little itty bitty sights. The two high ones are probably my error. Still, a great 50 yard example of what quality pocket pistols might deliver. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05940.jpg

PO2Hammer
October 25, 2010, 09:34 PM
^^^ Good shooting, neat pistol!

Pete D.
October 25, 2010, 09:51 PM
The Slow Fire stage of the NRA Conventional pistol match - outdoors - is fired at 50 yards - one hand unsupported. I have seen clean targets at that distance more than once; the best was 10 Xs.
One of the two pistol events in the modern Olympics - the Free Pistol event - is fired at 50 meters. The B17 target has a 10 ring that is 50 mm in diameter.
The record for the match by William Demarest of the USA (60 shots to qualify and 10 for the final) is 676/700 (577 and a 99 final). One hand, unsupported.
Pete

Drail
October 25, 2010, 10:57 PM
Read up on the Camp Perry National Matches.

nathan
October 26, 2010, 01:59 AM
Aim a little higher like 12 o clock at 50 meter distance . It should compensate for the drop past 30 yds.

Peakbagger46
October 26, 2010, 02:12 AM
When I had free practice ammo and was shooting A LOT, I used to be able to hit a IDPA target pretty darn (around 80 percent of the time) well at 100 yards, prone position. Gun was a glock 27 with night sights.

Shoot66
October 26, 2010, 04:07 AM
I shoot clay-birds at 50m (55y) using my SIG P210. Standing, unsupported, two-hand hold. I aim at the lower edge. Usually I get 3 – 4 of 5. Those are 4 inch in diameter. So yes, it is possible. :)

smartshot
October 26, 2010, 06:13 AM
yeah....in the "earlier days" not "old days" the police used to shoot at the 50 yard line right handed standing, prone and left handed standing.

M2 Carbine
October 26, 2010, 10:23 AM
Even the little pocket pistols will do OK if they have decent sights.

Micro Desert Eagle. 52 yards. Standing, two hands.
Two shots went low.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/MDEat50yards.jpg

piece of meat
October 26, 2010, 10:38 PM
check out 'hickock45' on youtube, the guy has dozens of videos of hitting up to 80 yards CONSISTENTLY with every handgun known to man, hell the guy can hit 50 yard targets no problem with sub compact glocks. he even hits a 200 yard target a couple times with a glock 27.

the gun can do it no problem, its all a matter of how well the shooter shoots it.

Zak Smith
October 26, 2010, 11:21 PM
A reasonable competent handgunner should be able to easily hit an IPSC target at 100 yards.

fedlaw
October 27, 2010, 01:16 PM
Guntests tested a S&W 629 Classic @ 50yds. If I recall, the best 5 shot group was well under 2".
I have shot my 629 Classic (Performance Center accuratized) at 50 yds. freehand and had 2" groups (Yes it was a good day).

Steelshooter101
October 27, 2010, 05:29 PM
When I get bored I can ring the 10 inch gong on our pistol range off sand bags 90% of the shots with any of my guns especialy the springfield XDM.

possum
October 27, 2010, 08:42 PM
i have shot 4.5" groups at 50yds with my xd service model and wwb factory ammo. the biggest thing is that you have to know your hold over which wasn't too too bad with the .40 xd.

M2 Carbine
October 27, 2010, 11:15 PM
I can't quite keep all the shots on my 52 yard 24 x 24 inch target. The last time I shot the 38 S&W J Frame (standing) I missed shots 41 and 42 (out of 50). That's really aggravating.:D


Considering my shaking hand later I was surprised that all shots hit steel when I was trying out the laser at that distance.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/laser52yards38SW.jpg

Nasty
October 28, 2010, 07:20 AM
I've been shooting in competition for quite a while. Back when I was shooting National Match, we *routinely* had to use scoring plugs at 50.

When I moved to PPC, the plugs were still commonly used.

It was only when IPSC came along that group size seemed to have been lost as a measure of marksmanship.

mes228
October 28, 2010, 07:57 AM
I recently purchased a Ruger Ranch Rifle in 6.8 cal. and a friend purchased the same rifle in .223 cal. These were the "new" supposedly more accurate ones. I assure you that any one of my 1911's from a rest would out shoot both rifles at 100 yards. They were laughable. Hard to believe that anyone would sell such inaccurate rifle. That's my opinion and I REALLY LIKE RUGER RIFLES.

col_tapiocca
October 28, 2010, 02:24 PM
We have two service pistol disciplines.
Old service pistol model P49 aka SIG P210 or Luger Pistol = 50m
New service pistol model P75 aka SIP P220 = 25m

50 m pistol shooting is quite often here.

23Glock
October 28, 2010, 07:06 PM
Students in Front Sight's Handgun Combat Master Prep hit steel on the rifle range at 300m pretty consistently. That's 300m, not 30m. Not with every shot, but with quite a few. Most of them are using Glock 35s these days.
To put it into perspective, to become a Handgun Combat Master you must double-tap a target from the holster in under 6 seconds at 50m, and not miss. 50m is required distance, 300m is just for fun.

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