[Drizzt]

Sex offense excused by inexperience

An Eidsivating court of appeals sensationally acquitted a man for sexually assaulting a mentally handicapped woman on the grounds that he had only lived 12 years in Norway and so had difficulty understanding the victim's condition.

The injured party, a woman suffering from Williams syndrome, was believed by the court on all counts, and the accused's actions were considered equivalent to sexual intercourse, newspaper Romerikes Blad reports.
The court also ruled that the woman, because of her condition, did not have the necessary psychological strength to resist the man's desire for sex.

Williams Syndrome is a rare disorder. Like Downs Syndrome, sufferers have similar physical characteristics, such as an elfin face with a wide mouth, a large and slack bottom lip, a turned-up nose and irregular, widely spaced teeth. One other common characteristic is overly friendly and polite behavior and a desire to contact strangers.

The accused, a 22-year-old taxi driver originally from the Middle East, explained that he found nothing odd about the woman's appearance or behavior. The woman used a 'TT-card' - a transport sponsorship arrangement for the handicapped - when paying for the ride.

The accused also argued that cab drivers often talked about easy sex offers from female passengers, especially late on weekends. He also believed that it was easy to sleep with Norwegian girls one had just met.

The court ruled unanimously that the accused should not serve jail time, but was ordered to pay the woman NOK 25,000 in damages and to replace her ruined coat.

The court found that the man's comprehension of the Norwegian language was worse than that expected of someone resident since 1990 and could not rule out that his age, cultural background and immaturity could have contributed to the assault.

The original trial sentenced the man to 60 days in prison plus damages and compensation.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=475448

An additional bit of info from the WSJ:

a Norwegian professor, commenting on the statistic that 65% of rapes in Norway were committed by "non-Western" immigrants, mostly Muslims, as remarking that the victims had it coming. "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes," the professors said, because Muslims found their manner of dress provocative and "believe that it is women who are responsible for rape."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110002948

[2dogs]

An (off topic) anecdote.

Back in college, a Sociology course it was, I recall a study on prejudice. Part of the study was a poll that the writer had done asking people in USA if there were groups of people for which they had a strong dislike. The reponses were broken down into percentages, e.g.

xx% of respondents disliked blacks

xx% of respondents disliked latinos

xx% disliked germans

etc. There were about 10-12 disliked groups that respondents mentioned.

The last category of disliked persons was norwegians- 12% of respondents disliked them.

And I remember thinking- "who would dislike a norwegian. who even knows a norwegian, let alone have some reason to dislike them."

Any way, I now have a close norwegian friend (Kjell, goes by his middle name Ivar).

Come to think of it, he did offer me sardines&eggs for breakfast one morning..................let me rethink this.:neener:

[Wildalaska]

And the relevance to guns is...??

WildithoughtthiswasagunboardAlaska

[Joe Demko]

If she'd had a gun she could have conquered the language barrier and made her true wishes known?

[Zander]

And the relevance to guns is...?? -- WildithoughtthiswasagunboardAlaskaDid you bother to read this? ...

"Get informed on issues affecting the right to keep and bear arms and other civil rights."

[Wildalaska]

Did you bother to read this? ...
"Get informed on issues affecting the right to keep and bear arms and other civil rights."

No need to get hostile, why dont tell me what a diatribe about multiculturalism in Norway (that I am sure is posted as a thinly vieled critism of Muslims) has to do with my civil rights???

WildpuzzledbythisAlaska

[CZ-75]

why dont tell me what a diatribe about multiculturalism in Norway (that I am sure is posted as a thinly vieled critism of Muslims) has to do with my civil rights???


Nothing, since it's in Norway. Same with UK gun laws, etc. Or even Kalifornia, for most, since we had the good sense not to think of living there. ;)

I think that you're all wet with your assessment of this as anti-muslim, though.

The point here, and about the feelings of most here on the issue of multiculturalism, is that it is an excuse for unequal treatment to remedy a perceived bias.

That a man, muslim or otherwise, can rape a retarded woman and get off the hook for his crime due to his "unfamiliarity" with the culture should be the epitome of injustice.

Perhaps he'd have gotten the same treatment for killing her, since that seems to be condoned in the Middle East as appropriate treatment for "unacceptable" women.

I seriously doubt, as a WASPish American, that I'd have gotten the same benefit of the doubt, despite a greater unfamiliarity with the culture. The guy lived there for twelve years, for crying out loud -- since he was ten years old. :rolleyes:

[Sergeant Bob]

I think it has alot to do with her civil rights and the civil rights of women in general in Norway. This professor states "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes," because Muslims found their manner of dress provocative and "believe that it is women who are responsible for rape."
The court said
The court found that the man's comprehension of the Norwegian language was worse than that expected of someone resident since 1990 and could not rule out that his age, cultural background and immaturity could have contributed to the assault.
If it's not about our personnal civil rights it shouldn't be discussed?

Sergeanti'mnotsopcBob

[Zander]

No need to get hostile,...A simple question re: your knowledge of the allowed topics of discussion in this forum constitutes "hostility"? Hmmm...

...what a diatribe about multiculturalism in Norway (that I am sure is posted as a thinly vieled critism of Muslims)...I didn't see a diatribe. I did see some very disturbing statistics...that non-Westerners [mostly Muslims] in Norway are responsible for 65% of the rapes. Even more disturbing, idiot judges and college professors are happy to excuse such behavior.

[what] has [this] to do with my civil rights???Nothing, sir...you weren't the mentally-handicapped woman who was raped.

[Wildalaska]

Cmon guys give me break, if it wasnt about some Muslim guiy raping some girl it wouldnt have evne been worthy of comment..

This stuff has NOTHING to do with anyhting in the USA...

WildthisisagunrelatedBoardtrememberAlaska

[Sergeant Bob]

It's not about some Muslim guy raping some girl. It's about 65% of all rapes in Norway being commited by Muslims and this guy getting a pass in the interest of cultural diversity . It's about the subversion of a nations own culture by foreigners. It's about the civil rights of citizens of that country being subjugated to those of immigrants who refuse to adapt. This is just a harbinger of things to come (here).
100% of the deaths of 9/11 were caused by Muslims (but this is just a thinly veiled attack on Muslims).

SergeantborderslanguagecultureBob

[CZ-75]

Cmon guys give me break, if it wasnt about some Muslim guiy raping some girl it wouldnt have evne been worthy of comment..

You're absolutely right. If the PC folks in Norway hadn't decided this guy's ethnicity mattered in excusing his crime, then nobody would have bothered to post something about a retarded woman being raped, as such occurences are all too common.

This stuff has NOTHING to do with anyhting in the USA.

Guess you never heard of affirmative action or OJ Simpson?




CZthisthingofincludingthoughtsinyoursignatureistriteandhackneyedandgettingoldrealfast75

[Wildalaska]

SergeantborderslanguagecultureBob

I hear that line from that nut case Mike Savage...the Rush Limbaugh for the intellectuall;y challenged...

This is a gun related Board, IMHO not a place for angry people to vent their spleens about immigrants, I suppose we were hearing the same speeches in the 1850s about the Irish, in the 1890s about the jews, in the 1900s about the Italians...

Sorry this nation was built on a variety of other cultures...

And this all has nothing to do with guns or even related to guns..

And with that, I leave this thread for the mods..

WildthisonemeritsignoringAlaska

[Wildalaska]

CZthisthingofincludingthoughtsinyoursignatureistriteandhackneyedandgettingoldrealfast75

Then why are you doing it? :)

O I see, you dont agree with me so....therefore I must be a target for your sarcastic wit..

WildgothtelastwordinAlaska...bye bye:neener:

[T.Stahl]

Well, guess who's likelier to get away?
- Me, firing one of my legal weapons outside my home (and therefore outside a licensed shooting range).
- A Turk, firing an illegal Uzi into the air, celebrating a wedding.

I'm afraid, from my experience, it won't be me. :(

[2dogs]

On a serious note, it does seem that there is a general decline worldwide in the respect for the rights of the individual, in favor of the rights of whatever the perceived favored minority may be, whether that be race based, ethniclly based , socioeconomically based or what have you. The more the rights of individuals are eroded the more we move towards the tyranny of numbers. We should be concerned whenever and where ever individual freedom "takes a hit".

It's not about guns- it's about freedom. I believe that is the common thread amongst gun owners- or else they are just a bunch of tin collectors.

Freedom and guns go hand in hand- that's why this article is relevant. No?

:)

[Sergeant Bob]

CZthisthingofincludingthoughtsinyoursignatureistriteandhackneyedandgettingoldrealfast75

Hahahahahahaha!!!!! ROFLMAO!!

Wildalaska, even nutcases are right sometimes. Even though I might be intellectuall;y challenged... ? I listen to all sorts of news and talk, Rush, Hannity, George Noory, Chris Matthews, Brian Williams, O'Reilly, Wildalaska, etc., etc.

[CZ-75]

O I see, you dont agree with me so....therefore I must be a target for your sarcastic wit..

You're quite the victim, but isn't that an old liberal technique used to stifle debate. Almost as good as the non sequitur of trying to turn this thread into immigrant bashing. :rolleyes:

Maybe getting in the last word would be more meaningful should you actually address any of the points being made. :neener:

Truth is left-wing pansies everywhere, including here, are cutting breaks to people, who should rightfully be prosecuted for their crimes, because of their "oppressed" ethnic heritage. Guess you don't want to debate this and would rather point fingers about so-called anti-muslim and anti-immigrant bias. :rolleyes:

[CZ-75]

intellectuall;y challenged...

As opposed to grammar and spelling challenged??? :D

[Drizzt]

Forgive me for saying this, wildalaska, but perhaps your view was a bit narrow. The article spoke of Muslims, yes, but it is more than that. This is about the same laws being applied differently to people.

You may feel that, because this is not happening here in the States, that it is not relevant, and that's fine. It's your opinion. If that is the case, though, why should we say anything about what happens in Britain? or Australia? or your neighbor Canada? If I'm in Texas, why should I worry about what happens to people in California? or Hawaii? or Maine?

Like it or not, what happens to folks in other countries often serves as a precursor and warning for those of us here in the U.S.