Sig Sauer P238


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Clint C
October 25, 2010, 07:27 PM
Shot 50 rounds through my P238 yesterday with zero problems. It is the P238 SAS, Custom Shop model. I shoot American Eagle 95 GR. FMJ ammunition through it.

I plan to add my ammunition count on here everytime I shoot it with zero problems. If I do have problems, I will add them as well. I don't believe I will have any problems, it's a great little gun.

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Utahusker
October 25, 2010, 08:10 PM
Great to hear your positive experience. I've heard that sig has ironed out the P238 problems.
It's unfortunate that there are some that are stuck with an earlier version that's less than reliable.

Clint C
October 25, 2010, 08:22 PM
Just wanted to get another positive thread on the P238 to counter the bad ones.

The manufacture date on mine is "10-mar-2010".

Would also like to add I think using grease on these little auto's is a bad idea. Just saying! :)

HK-Freak
October 25, 2010, 08:28 PM
I have a working 238 as well, so I'm happy to hear yours is doing well. But here's a recent thread from XDtalk that pretty much sums up why a lot of people have been criticizing SIG's QC lately...

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/non-xd-handguns/160052-sig-238-not-repaired-manufacturer-what-next.html

hawkeye10
October 26, 2010, 03:35 PM
:) Sure would like to have a Sig 238 but I am left handed. The safety just wouldn't work. They are a good looking gun. Don

Clint C
November 14, 2010, 04:01 PM
55 more rounds through my P238 without any problems for a total of 105 rounds.

rellascout
November 14, 2010, 04:28 PM
Keep the reports coming. I have heard the springs have issues in the 300 range.

defjon
November 14, 2010, 10:59 PM
also curious to see what happens between 300-500 rounds...my wife really wants one as her 'only' gun, she insists she'll only ever buy or want just this one :rolleyes: we'll see ;) But I want to make sure things are really ironed out! Been asking her to hold off since the recalls and issues I've been hearing about.

onevoice
November 15, 2010, 01:11 AM
I have shot around 700 rounds out of my 238 and have not had a single problem yet. It love this gun. Easy to conceal even if I am wearing shorts and a tank top.

kokapelli
November 15, 2010, 09:19 AM
I now have 650 rounds through mine and have not had any failures of any kind.

I am still using the original recoil spring and have fired Gold Dot jhp, Remington jhp, PMC fmj, WW semi flat point and Federal American Eagle fmj ammo, all with no issues.

In the same size class pistols I also have a P-3AT, a TCP, a Micro Desert Eagle and have owned a Diamondback, NAA Guardian and a Beretta Tomcat and I have shot my son's LCP a number of times and none of them come even close to being as accurate and comfortable to shoot as the P238, especially the NAA Guardian and the Micro Desert Eagle blow back pistols.

Clint C
January 16, 2011, 09:27 PM
Shot 50 more rounds through my P238 today. I have fired it without cleaning it for 155 rounds. It was 15 degrees out today, and I had one hiccup. I had shot 24 rounds through it, and set it down while I shot my rifle. About an hour later I picked it up and started shooting it. somewhere in those last 30 rounds the slide stayed back like the mag was empty. I pushed the slide lever and fired the rest of my ammo with no problems. I contribute the malfunction to not being cleaned for 155 rounds and the fact that it was so cold out, it might have also caught the edge of my glove or something. In other words it was not the pistols fault but mine as to why the slide stayed open.

It is a great pistol, and am glad I have it. I will trust my life with it. I cleaned it today when I got home and will report my next outing. When I clean it I take it all apart, firing pin out, and claw out, everything gets cleaned and scrubbed with a toothbrush and Rem oil.

Here is a picture of it.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/cacyhupp/SigSauerP2382010.jpg

cfullgraf
January 16, 2011, 11:57 PM
Plan on getting one or more of the new flat recoil springs for the P238.

The older style springs have a short life.

Mine has 600-700 rounds through it and is on its third recoil spring.

Unfortunately, the new springs are in short supply at present.

DasFriek
January 17, 2011, 12:41 AM
I had one of the first P238's and i loved mine and put 600 rounds threw it before trading it in as it was still in the middle of the ammo scare.
I had no issues what so ever with my gun, But did make small fine tuning adjustments that made sure issues stayed away.

Ive since moved on too a Kahr MK9, But id still love to get another P238.
I think we will see alot of used .380's soon with this big bunch of micro 9's hitting the market.
Man do i miss that gun.

bannockburn
January 17, 2011, 08:33 AM
Tried my friends P238 a couple of weeks ago while we at the range. Decent trigger, great sights (his model came with factory night sights), and more than accurate enough for what it's designed for.

Only problem I encountered was the slide wouldn't go completely into battery when it was released from its locked back position with a loaded mag in it. The first round would chamber but the slide would be about 1/10th of an inch from being completely in place. This happened maybe 2 or 3 times during the range session. Manually racking the slide worked fine so it's hard to say why this happened. The gun itself was still fairly new, so maybe it was more of a matter of everything getting settled in properly.

In any event, it was a great gun to shoot and if the QC problems are indeed a thing of the past, I would definitely consider getting one.

Guns and more
January 17, 2011, 09:46 AM
I have an older 238 but have had no problems.
I'm guessing mine was August, 2009, since I got one of the first "Rosewood Editions".
Never a hiccup. I guess I'll watch the recoil spring.

P.S. I've been shooting PMC Bronze FMJ, no problem.

HOWARD J
January 17, 2011, 10:28 AM
400 rds thru mine using 3.8 gr unique for 90/100 gr bullets.
No problems so far.
My ppk .380---about 8000 rds.--had to replace both mags---would not hold slide open.
Kel Tek P3AT--about 300 rds--no problems.
Nice little pea shooters.

daehawc
January 17, 2011, 07:09 PM
My wife and I have shot close to 1000 rounds through our 238. Not one single problem. I've owned other micro's (kel-tecs mainly) and never had this kind of reliability with them. Plus the sights are great and make hitting possible at ranges unthinkable for a gun this size. I know at least 4 other with this gun and none have had issues with it. I bought mine back in mid 09. I'm sure there is credibility to some of the QC issues talked about but I have not seen them. By all my first hand accounts with my 2 SIGs, QC has been great and reliability has been 100%. I'm confident that SOME of the issues are simply because a small pocket single action only pistol is a little harder to shoot and more prone to limp wristing than something like the LCP. I trust mine enough to have it be my wife's primary CCW.

Jed Carter
January 18, 2011, 05:02 AM
I have a P238 and 6 other SIGs the little 238 has been cabbaged by my wife, or so I let her think. I have ove 600 rounds through my (her) pistol no recoil spring problems with the old spring. The recoil spring has an open end and a tapered end, the taper goes on the guide rod. I have seen the photos and another shooters problem with the recoil spring. It is most likely that some P238 users are installing the spring on the guide rod backwards (not addressed in the users manual). If the spring is on backwards it can screw itself around the rear of the guide rod and cause all kinds of problems.

harmon rabb
January 18, 2011, 07:56 AM
I have a 238 as well. I acquired it used, with an unknown number of rounds through it. I initially had problems with it not fully returning to battery. Once I replaced the recoil spring with the heavier wolf spring, those issues disappeared and it now functions flawlessly.

Compared to the other pocket 380's, it actually has a decent trigger, real sights, and soaks up recoil well. It redefined what I thought a pocket pistol can do -- I can actually shoot ok with the darn thing, almost as well as I can with a full size. I can not say the same for my LCP.

Great little gun. I think there is still some risk in buying one, but it's worth the risk. To me anyway, I can shoot it so much better than the other pocket guns, that it would have been worth it to have to buy 3 of them to get 1 that worked properly.

kokapelli
January 18, 2011, 08:31 AM
I have a 238 as well. I acquired it used, with an unknown number of rounds through it. I initially had problems with it not fully returning to battery. Once I replaced the recoil spring with the heavier wolf spring, those issues disappeared and it now functions flawlessly.

Compared to the other pocket 380's, it actually has a decent trigger, real sights, and soaks up recoil well. It redefined what I thought a pocket pistol can do -- I can actually shoot ok with the darn thing, almost as well as I can with a full size. I can not say the same for my LCP.

Great little gun. I think there is still some risk in buying one, but it's worth the risk. To me anyway, I can shoot it so much better than the other pocket guns, that it would have been worth it to have to buy 3 of them to get 1 that worked properly.
Your way to pessimistic. Just based on the other posts in this thread you can see that most people are having very good experiences with their P238s.

There are just a couple of people here that have had problems with their P238s, but overall the pistol has been nothing less than superb.

brosesail
January 28, 2011, 09:13 PM
I purchased a P238 in July 2010 and experienced intermittent FT Feeds and dented casings. When I contacted Sig they suggested a new recoil spring which they provided at no cost (still round wire). The technician also suggested the dented casings were inherent in the design. After trying the new recoil spring nothing changed. The second time I called they suggested it was the original style magazine causing problems and sent a new magazine, again at no cost to me. This took care of the dented casings; however I was still experiencing intermittent FT Feeds. I returned the gun to Sig for repair, again at no cost to me. I received it back in less than 10 days. They changed out the recoil spring with a flat spring and updated the extractor, as well as something else and for the life of me I cannot recall at the moment. Off to the range and 100 rounds later flawless shooing. Perhaps after another few hundred rounds I will feel more confident with the gun. Regardless, the customer service was outstanding.

Peter M. Eick
January 30, 2011, 03:25 PM
I just changed my spring to the flat spring yesterday. I got about 400 rounds out of it and the slide was getting sluggish on close. It worked 100% though.

I am at the point that I will put another 100 rounds down it after the spring change and then start carrying it. I am confident that I can use it as a carry gun now.

CZ-Guy
January 30, 2011, 09:28 PM
I purchased a P238 in "rainbow" finish for my wife last summer. Together we've put about 500 rounds through it without a single FTF or FTE. I've mostly used whatever is cheapest to throw down the pipe. It is a real pleasure to shoot. Each trip to the range we also feed it a mag or two of Hornady Critical Defense - which we have also had no issues with.

mopar92
January 31, 2011, 12:05 PM
I've got almost 1000 rounds through mine, only a couple of ftf but that was in the first 100 rounds. No fte, ftf period..

Clint C
March 9, 2011, 10:11 PM
Well I loved my little P238, but someone made me an offer on it that I couldn't refuse. So I will no longer be giving a round count. I already miss it.

Joker19
March 10, 2011, 09:31 AM
I will be the first to admit I really hated the P238 when I first received it. FTF and FTE were rampant and just simple would not fire with reliable results. I contacted Sig, received a new flat spring and 3 new 7 round magazines PLUS another 6 round. I then jumped up the powder in some 95 gr FMJRN and walla it is flawless!!! Not one single FTF or FTE. This is a smoker now I get the new items installed. Another round with great results and without a doubt the best self defense round you can buy for the .380 is the Hornady "critical defense" 90 gr HP. Hard to come by but worth the wait!

Scuba_Steve
March 13, 2011, 05:31 PM
I took my P238 to the range today for the 3rd time in the 3 weeks I have owned it. I have no FTE issues, but have had had FTF isseus every time I have used it. Today I had 1 FTF with American Eagle and 2 FTF with PPU 94gr. I have a total of 300 rounds through it.

As I was driving home, it occured to me that it seems the FTF is always the first round in the magazine. I can't confirm absolutely, but I will watch for it next time.

Guns and more
March 14, 2011, 03:24 AM
As I was driving home, it occured to me that it seems the FTF is always the first round in the magazine.
Just curious, do you use the slide release or manual rack of slide to load the first round.
My 238 has never had a FTF. I used PMC bronze FMJ.
What if you only load 5 in the magazine?
I've tried "topping off" the magazine after loading one in the chamber, and mine fired, but I noticed that the magazine took a firm push the last 1/8" to lock in.

wally
March 14, 2011, 03:50 PM
Mine was a total disappointment at first -- wouldn't go two mags without a failure to return to battery. But eventually (~175 rounds) the problem seems to have resolved itself with some shooting.

I've also got the P3AT, LCP, & Bodyguard 380 and the SIG P238 is the most comfortable to shoot but its also the largest and heaviest and not too usable with the left hand. I doubt I'd ever carry it as its just too close to my Kahr MP40 in size which is a lot more powerful for the small size/weight premium.

Here is a photo of the P238 sitting on top of the PM40:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=137397&d=1298955447

Other photos comparing the four pistols are in this thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=576986

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