S&W M&P's rust easily?


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megatronrules
October 25, 2010, 07:33 PM
I'm concerned about this as I just ordered an M&P 40c for a carry gun. This concerns me greatly as I live in hot humid southwest Florida.

I've had some people tell me that the M&P rusting issues were just a small batch that got out a while back and others say it is a common problem and they all rust regardless,is this true?

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highorder
October 25, 2010, 07:41 PM
My rear sight rusts if not taken care of. The stainless components have no issues.

DonRon
October 25, 2010, 07:45 PM
Trade it for a Glock and end your worries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj5Kcs4dzro&feature=player_embedded

jaysouth
October 25, 2010, 08:21 PM
If you like plastic sights, go Glock!

My M&P 45c has been soaked many time while hunting or fishing and has not rusted yet.

Plastic won't rust, blackened stainless won't rust. When my gun gets wet, I spray internals with a water displacing spray (WD-40 works well) blow it out with compressed air and spray again with Rem oil and blow excess Rem Oil out with compressed air again.

REAPER4206969
October 25, 2010, 08:27 PM
blackened stainless won't rust.
Yes, it will/can. Full Metal Jacket's M&P45c was returned a week ago from S&W with a new slide due to rust and my M&P9 is there right now for minor rust issues, among others.

ETA:Another recent example.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=16&t=102089

jon_in_wv
October 25, 2010, 10:12 PM
If you look at the M&P pistol forum you will find that S&W had issues with a short run of pistol that were not treated correctly when the melonite was applies. It left salts on the finish that resulted in some rusting issues. That problem was corrected long ago and the M&P is very rust resistant. I have carried mine daily for years now and the only thing I use on it is Mobile 1 motor oil. It still looks like new and I've never found a spot of rust anywhere on it. Maintain your pistol and don't worry about it.

Shipwreck
October 25, 2010, 10:17 PM
I still see M&P rusting issues come up, despite the claim that it was a past thing... If I were to carry one, I'd be worried about it a lot, I think.. Admittedly, this is all from reading I have done, but it seems to be a common topic

wow6599
October 25, 2010, 10:18 PM
jon in wv nailed it. I have had a few M&Ps and none of them even know how to rust........as good as it gets IMHO.
YMMV

ir3e971
October 25, 2010, 10:34 PM
No rust on my CCW M&P 9mm.

jon_in_wv
October 26, 2010, 05:47 AM
Look around and you'll find rusting with Glocks too. Maintain your weapons and you won't have any problems. For God's sake its treated stainless steel. If your rusting that you are just TRYING to neglect it.

BsChoy
October 26, 2010, 11:10 AM
stainless steel does rust...just takes a little longer

bartman06
October 26, 2010, 11:59 AM
I've seen pictures of rust on the slide but I live in Utah and have never had that problem. What is usually stated after the picture is that if it is babied then it will take a really long time to rust.

I use Rusty's rags to clean it. The chemicals in the solution are to help the shine and protected it but I guess the bottom line is take REALLY good care of it.

Prion
October 26, 2010, 12:05 PM
Yes, my Pro 9 started showing faint speckling on the slide and I babied that range gun!

Sold it with full disclosure.

fastbolt
October 26, 2010, 02:41 PM
If the Melonite process isn't done properly it can result in some surface rusting. (This process is outsourced to a vendor.) From everything I've heard S&W has stood behind their M&P's when this has occurred and either refinished or replaced the affected slides under their lifetime warranty.

Neither of my M&P's have rusted while I've owned them (a couple of years for the first one and over a year for the second). Both have been subjected to moisture and and heavy rain and have not rusted after normal care/cleaning. Neither has rusted in the safe, even though I've left them in both plastic & leather holsters inside the safe.

Naturally, the small parts like the slide stop lever, takedown lever, sights, etc are not treated with Melonite carburizing and should be kept clean and well maintained in order to reduce the opportunity for oxidation.

BTW, Glocks can rust if neglected, too. So can stainless steel.

I remember when most everyone carried blued carbon steel guns and knew how to take care of them. ;)

larryh1108
October 26, 2010, 03:40 PM
My M&P 9c is rust free and has been for over 2 years. Not a trace of rust. I care for it like any other gun I own and don't feel I need to take extra special care of it. I have read of a small batch and if S&W stands behind their product then there is nothing to worry about. Judge the gun for what it is not a perceived possible cosmetic issue.

DenaliPark
October 26, 2010, 04:27 PM
I'm concerned about this as I just ordered an M&P 40c for a carry gun. This concerns me greatly as I live in hot humid southwest Florida.

I've had some people tell me that the M&P rusting issues were just a small batch that got out a while back and others say it is a common problem and they all rust regardless,is this true?
Now thats the million dollar question, is the M&P subject to a higher incidence of corrosion then what would be considered the norm?

I owned the 9c and it had rust on the slide(breech, and on the slide at the sights)right from the box. This was not an early specimen, it was just over a year ago, further I have heard many other similar accounts of oxidation to the M&P slides.

I have a theory as to why this periodically appears in production, it centers around the application of melonite to the stainless steel slide. Melonite is another name for tenifer, which is the salt bath nitriding hardening process done to Glock's!

I was always under the impression that this process was not transferable to stainless, in fact I know for a certainty that it actually destroys the ability of stainless to be, well stainless! It does so by breaking down the steel and rendering it brittle....Something that doesn't happen with carbon steel.

Yet S&W is obviously having the process applied to the stainless steel slides of their M&P's! At any rate my theory is that there is a "narrow therapeutic window" so to speak, where the process imparts a benefit to the stainless, and if the vendor misses it, you end up with obviously flawed slides....

DenaliPark
October 26, 2010, 05:22 PM
If you like plastic sights, go Glock!

My M&P 45c has been soaked many time while hunting or fishing and has not rusted yet.

Plastic won't rust, blackened stainless won't rust. When my gun gets wet, I spray internals with a water displacing spray (WD-40 works well) blow it out with compressed air and spray again with Rem oil and blow excess Rem Oil out with compressed air again.
Sure it does(blackened stainless rust), and I don't know of anyone who doesn't replace the Glock plastic sights with NS, often direct from the factory for a nominal cost...

DonRon
October 26, 2010, 06:20 PM
I will never buy another Smith & Wesson product because of this:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/smith-wesson_dark.htm

That's my two cents worth!

Nail Shooter
October 26, 2010, 07:46 PM
I bought an M&P40C a couple of yrs ago--thought I'd waited long enough for all of the issues the early guns had to be resolved. Well, mine would randomly lock the slide back. Sent the gun in to S&W for repair and they fixed what was wrong (new slide stop lever w/ stiffer spring). When I unwrapped it from the brown anti-rust paper that they shipped it back to me in I found a big rust speck in the middle of the side of the slide. Luckily, it wiped off with a Lead Away rag.

I've got half a dozen or so Glocks, never have seen a rust spot on any of them. I carry a G27 daily (going on 2 yrs) and do not wipe it down, it is rust free to this day as are all of my other Glocks. YMMV.

Nail

Jim Watson
October 26, 2010, 07:58 PM
My Plastic M&P had a good deal of ugly rust after going through a house fire. Obviously it was not exposed to flame which would have burned or melted the plastic, but it took a lot of fumes and firehose water. The friends who salvaged my shooting gear while I was in the hospital ran it through an ultrasonic cleaner. It is now fully serviceable with only a little thinning of the blackened stainless finsh, with no pitting.

jon_in_wv
October 26, 2010, 09:17 PM
How did you guys survive when guns only had bluing on them?

I've lived in West Virginia for the last 8 years. This state is the most unbearable humid and wet place every. My deck and porch have mold on them all the time, the ground is mud about 60% of the summer and 100% of the fall, winter, and spring. It rains most of the winter. My guns are all in my basement next to my washer and dryer and they don't rust. A couple of the rifles sit in my garage taking all the extremes of the weather and don't rust. My carry gun doesn't rust and my P32 I took hiking in the woods INCLUDING dips in the creek with it in my pocket didn't rust. Good Lord, do a little maintenance.

If you are one of the rare few whose M&P rusts because you can't manage to maintain it Smith is even nice enough to replace it for you free of charge. That seems beyond generous to me.

Full Metal Jacket
October 27, 2010, 12:36 AM
yeah i sent in a mp45c to s&w recently. the slide, barrel, and sites were all rusted. inside and out. never seen a gun rust like that.

s&w did replace the slide, sites, and barrel free under warranty. without question. great service.

i have read a few threads on m&p's rusting. if you really want a worry free carry gun, for humid environments especially, glocks & HK's are far more rust resistant than most.

i don't think HK's are worth what they cost, so i would recommend glock for your situation :)

Just One Shot
October 27, 2010, 08:40 AM
I have an M&P .40 C that I sometime wear in a belly band holster. It gets covered with sweat. I don't clean it after CCing it if it hasn't been fired and I've never seen the first sign of rust. I don't know if this has anything to do with it but I just purchased mine a few months ago.

Ben86
October 27, 2010, 12:15 PM
I live in hot and humid south MS and I have never had a problem with rusting, with any of my guns, including my m&p9c. I do make it a habit to wipe it down with a gun rag every time after a day of being carried. I also make it a point to "maintenance" all my guns once a month which includes a wipe down, re-lube and very light coat of rem-oil applied to the barrel with a barrel mop. As this has always been my practice I have had no rust issues.

REAPER4206969
October 28, 2010, 07:02 PM
I got the M&P back today (13 days) and they replaced:

1)Slide.

2)Extractor.

3)Mag catch.

and...wait for it...


ADDED NIGHT SIGHTS! It also feels like they did something to the trigger! Very nice.

Kingofthehill
October 28, 2010, 07:10 PM
working at a range, owning several, and shooting competition and training classes.... i have NEVER seen one rust.

JOe

DenaliPark
October 28, 2010, 07:40 PM
How did you guys survive when guns only had bluing on them?

I've lived in West Virginia for the last 8 years. This state is the most unbearable humid and wet place every. My deck and porch have mold on them all the time, the ground is mud about 60% of the summer and 100% of the fall, winter, and spring. It rains most of the winter. My guns are all in my basement next to my washer and dryer and they don't rust. A couple of the rifles sit in my garage taking all the extremes of the weather and don't rust. My carry gun doesn't rust and my P32 I took hiking in the woods INCLUDING dips in the creek with it in my pocket didn't rust. Good Lord, do a little maintenance.

If you are one of the rare few whose M&P rusts because you can't manage to maintain it Smith is even nice enough to replace it for you free of charge. That seems beyond generous to me.
I think you're oversimplifying things a bit Jon, in fact you do understand that many of these rusting pistols were that way from the box, don't you? Make it kind of hard for the lazy, whining, ingrates that purchase them to prevent the oxidation when it's already at work on the steel....

A thing that has always intrigued me is why S&W would even waste their time with the melonite in the first place, after all it's stainless steel, if it's a tactical issue(which I doubt)they could just blacken the stainless and be done with it, of course forcing those same lazy, whining buyers to do as you have instructed....

seed
October 28, 2010, 07:44 PM
In his earlier post, DenaliPark brought up what I have read to be true (however I can't speak for the theories he brought up). Basically nitriding is a hardening process that also makes carbon steel extremely rust-resistant on the surface and a few microns below. But this benefit is not seen on stainless and in fact can make it more prone to corrosion. I cannot understand why anyone or any company would want to nitride stainless steel unless they just don't know and or hope that the prestige of meloniting will help sell their products.

springwalk
October 28, 2010, 07:55 PM
Go Glock. Glocks are more accurate, reliable, durable and PROVEN. The only thing that should rust on a S&W M&P is the stamped "Warning, read owners manual before shooting and consult attorney" that permanently insults one on the side of the pistol.:fire:

kwelz
October 28, 2010, 08:35 PM
There were some M&Ps with Rusting issues. However I believe the problem was found and corrected.

ritepath
October 28, 2010, 09:45 PM
zero problems out of my 9c rusting....of course it's a few months shy or 2 years old.

larryh1108
October 28, 2010, 09:54 PM
Glocks are more accurate, reliable, durable and PROVEN.

Funny.

They are more proven but time will show the M&P to be as proven. The M&P is definitely more accurate than the Glock, IMO. It may just be me but I sold my Glock when I put 500 rounds thru my M&P because I could place a mag of shots from the M&P inside the mag of shots from the Glock. I had the Glock 2 years longer than the M&P and had 10x the amount of target shots with it.

Ben86
October 28, 2010, 11:35 PM
I got the M&P back today (13 days) and they replaced:

1)Slide.

2)Extractor.

3)Mag catch.

and...wait for it...


ADDED NIGHT SIGHTS! It also feels like they did something to the trigger! Very nice.

Wow, 13 days is great turn around time. Did they put the night sights on for free? If so I'm gonna have to find out how to make mine rust! ;)

REAPER4206969
October 28, 2010, 11:39 PM
100% free.

Even FedEx 2nd day air both ways free.

Ben86
October 28, 2010, 11:42 PM
That is some great CS. They've sent me quite a few free grip extensions. Some companies should really start to emulate *cough*chough...Taurus.

788Ham
October 29, 2010, 12:27 AM
jon_in_wv,

I've got to agree with you son! I've got several firearms dwnstrs in a vault, no rust whatsoever on any of them, well one old H&R .22 revolver that's probably 60 years old, but the other 14, not a speck of rust. Sometimes in my weekly time off, I'm retired, and not much to do, I'll go down and clean a rifle I haven't shot in awhile, wipe it down and put it back in the vault. I'll remember another one a couple of days later, .... what I'm saying is, as you did, take care of them and they'll be ready for anything you throw at them. From the sounds of some of these other folks, Hoppe's bore cleaner and any type of Break Free, or whatever never touches their arms, inside or out. Maybe that's why they like the Tupperware guns, like the old Fanner '50 from many, many years ago.

Full Metal Jacket
October 29, 2010, 12:29 AM
That is some great CS. They've sent me quite a few free grip extensions. Some companies should really start to emulate *cough*chough...Taurus.

s&w and springfield armory have the best cust serv i've encountered.

para has the worst i've encountered lol

bobby68
October 29, 2010, 01:10 AM
Do these complaints include mp revolvers?

REAPER4206969
October 29, 2010, 01:53 AM
No.

jon_in_wv
October 29, 2010, 06:24 AM
Go Glock. Glocks are more accurate, reliable, durable and PROVEN.

Yummy, yummy Kool-Aid.

No bobby68, it only includes the M&P autos because revolvers don't compete with the Glock. If they did they would find reasons to whine about them too.


I think you're oversimplifying things a bit Jon, in fact you do understand that many of these rusting pistols were that way from the box, don't you?

Thats right. Guys are going to the gun store and picking out the gun that has the rust spots on it or they are buying the gun they haven't seen and handled. Then coincidentally, that happens to be the ones that have the rusting problems. Your right, its not that simple at all. How about if you are buying an M&P, check it for rust and if you find the one in a million pistol that has a problem, don't buy it. That sounds simple enough to me. Simply put, only a very small number of M&Ps have had any problems with ANYTHING. The vast majority have been and are totally reliable and rust free. Some people seem to have an agenda to try to prove otherwise, but I simply don't listen to them because I know better.

BTW. Don't tell anyone but there are a few Glocks that rust too. Its a secret so shhhhhh.....

http://gunlovers.19.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1837

DenaliPark
October 29, 2010, 04:20 PM
Yummy, yummy Kool-Aid.

No bobby68, it only includes the M&P autos because revolvers don't compete with the Glock. If they did they would find reasons to whine about them too.




Thats right. Guys are going to the gun store and picking out the gun that has the rust spots on it or they are buying the gun they haven't seen and handled. Then coincidentally, that happens to be the ones that have the rusting problems. Your right, its not that simple at all. How about if you are buying an M&P, check it for rust and if you find the one in a million pistol that has a problem, don't buy it. That sounds simple enough to me. Simply put, only a very small number of M&Ps have had any problems with ANYTHING. The vast majority have been and are totally reliable and rust free. Some people seem to have an agenda to try to prove otherwise, but I simply don't listen to them because I know better.

BTW. Don't tell anyone but there are a few Glocks that rust too. Its a secret so shhhhhh.....

http://gunlovers.19.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1837
I did just that, bought an M&P 9c at the shop, looked it over beforehand, got it home and immediately found the oxidation I had missed at the shop! The blackened slide makes it a thing you can miss under the wrong lighting conditions Jon....Never said that Glock doesn't slip a lemon buy once in a while, it can happen to the best of them, and it does....It's just that if you're looking to compare the M&P with Glock(and all S&W fans going all the way back to the Sigma do)you're going to find a significantly higher percentage of flaws in the S&W's.....

jon_in_wv
October 30, 2010, 03:29 PM
Well my experience, and the experience of many thousands of others, has been the opposite. Dang your luck.

fastbolt
October 30, 2010, 03:44 PM
It's just that if you're looking to compare the M&P with Glock(and all S&W fans going all the way back to the Sigma do)you're going to find a significantly higher percentage of flaws in the S&W's.....

While I certainly respect your right to have an opinion, as an owner and armorer for both the Glock and M&P pistols I'd be more than a little reluctant to make that definitive of a statement.

jon_in_wv
October 30, 2010, 08:28 PM
Personally I believe the design and performance of both the Glock and M&P are so similar it is disingenuous to beat your chest claiming one is better than the other. It boils down to personal preference and you can't tell people they have to prefer the same thing you do. M&Ps have had a few issues. So have the Glocks. You can't judge the entire line on the occasional lemon that slips through the cracks.

What if the title of this thread was, "Do Glocks blow up easily?" You would have had the same types of conversation you have here. There would be a few bashers backing up the statement claiming its the gods honest truth for the whole series. Take it all for what its worth.

DenaliPark
October 30, 2010, 09:49 PM
While I certainly respect your right to have an opinion, as an owner and armorer for both the Glock and M&P pistols I'd be more than a little reluctant to make that definitive of a statement.
Applying melonite to the stainless steel is obviously problematic for S&W, and the vendor in charge of the acid bath treatment...I have seen a half dozen rusting M&P's with my own eye's! While I have heard of it, I've never seen a rusting Glock, ever!

Further, the accounts of rusting M&P slides seems to have remained static, with S&W quietly replacing them as they turn up, there's another current thread in this very forum addressing the superiority of S&W CS relating to this exact problem....

DenaliPark
October 30, 2010, 09:59 PM
Personally I believe the design and performance of both the Glock and M&P are so similar it is disingenuous to beat your chest claiming one is better than the other. It boils down to personal preference and you can't tell people they have to prefer the same thing you do. M&Ps have had a few issues. So have the Glocks. You can't judge the entire line on the occasional lemon that slips through the cracks.

What if the title of this thread was, "Do Glocks blow up easily?" You would have had the same types of conversation you have here. There would be a few bashers backing up the statement claiming its the gods honest truth for the whole series. Take it all for what its worth.
Too bad, but it's not about exploding Glock's, it's about the ongoing problem of rusting S&W M&P pistols...Which you have ridiculously attempted to pawn off as consumer neglect.....

jon_in_wv
October 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
If you bothered to read my earlier posts, which you haven't because you have your own agenda, I and others clearly stated that S&W has had issues with the melonite application on some of their pistols. They have been very open about it and have serviced those pistols without issue. If yours was one of those be a big boy and send it back to Smith.

Welcome to my ignore list, BTW.

HKGuns
October 31, 2010, 02:18 PM
Not a spec of rust on my 9c.

fastbolt
October 31, 2010, 02:46 PM
Applying melonite to the stainless steel is obviously problematic for S&W, and the vendor in charge of the acid bath treatment...I have seen a half dozen rusting M&P's with my own eye's! While I have heard of it, I've never seen a rusting Glock, ever!

Further, the accounts of rusting M&P slides seems to have remained static, with S&W quietly replacing them as they turn up, there's another current thread in this very forum addressing the superiority of S&W CS relating to this exact problem....


According to the comments I've heard from S&W folks, and read posted by a former S&W engineer, S&W was aware of the difficulties involved in applying the Melonite QP process (as opposed to the QPQ which is appropriate to carbon steel alloys, but not stainless alloys) back when it was selected for some of the earlier Sigma, 3rd gen runs they made in Melonite (5906 Militar, 4566's, etc), the SW99 and some SW1911's. It's not like they haven't gained some experience. I don't know who their current vendor for the Melonite process might be.

Personally, I don't understand why they don't use either carbon steel, use another dark metal finish/treatment (PVD) or just offer some models in plain stainless. The M&P 9 & M&P 40 VTAC models, with a brown PVD coated slide, look pretty decent (even better than the brown Melonite, maybe). Granted, Melonite QP does offer some decreased friction and enhanced surface hardness.

They don't ask for my opinions, though, so they'll do as they decide is best for their market share and increasing sales.

In the meantime, I have little doubt but that they'll continue to stand behind their M&P's should a batch of slides somehow end up suffering oxidation.

I've seen some oxidized Glocks, BTW. ;) It can happen, especially if someone doesn't maintain their guns in a reasonable manner. While the nitrocarburizing process does offer some enhanced corrosion resistance, especially when carbon steel is involved, owner/user neglect can still create the potential for such issues as rust and fouling accumulation.

DenaliPark
October 31, 2010, 05:00 PM
^^^I agree as to S&W and the use of stainless steel in the melonite process, I think there is obviously a window of benefit, however it's narrow, and if missed creates a problem where there really wasn't one when they first decided to go with stainless...

I don't agree that Glock's are as subject to neglect as is any other sidearm, I have heard of them rusting, I saw a photo of one that apparently came out of a gun safe totally corroded...However this I attribute to a flaw in the acid bath process, and it remains highly unusual, for a properly tenifer/melonite treated carbon steel slide to oxidate...The early Sigma's were treated in this fashion, but they were carbon steel, they didn't rust!

edwood
July 26, 2011, 10:23 AM
I do not believe this was a problem of sweat or handling. I have had many brands of stainless guns over the years and only one had a rust problem. Stainless has Chrome in the steel and as it oxidizes it creates an invisible layer of chrome oxide called ceramic. It can be breached by chemicals that destroy the layer and allow the steel underneath to rust. This happened to one of my S&W 66s I had. I had the gun for several years with no problems, I bought a cheap after market case that must have had chemicals that breached the ceramic layer.

I started to get pitting rust all over the gun. The only thing that had changed was that the gun was kept in the case. It was not moisture it was a chemical in the foam and it has been documented before that some foam is made or treated with caustic chemicals that can do this. If you carry a cheap SS fork in your waist it does not rust, nor does it rust when left in the rain for long periods of time. I would say that the Melonite finish should set an even higher level of protection.

This said, it is more likely that the finish itself is causing some reaction with the stainless. I have an M&P that is about a year old and it has no problem. I would say that the individual has done something to this gun to make it rust but there are several reports on line that lead me to think it is more likely that its in the finish itself. I do not buy for one second the sweat idea. Even is left in salt water quality stainless should not rust.

Dnaltrop
July 26, 2011, 10:53 PM
Over a year at this point with my M&P .40 on my hip IWB... 18+ hours a day. One thing i did early on was slap a light coating of turtle wax on the outside.

Laundry is done by hand here as part of my physical therapy to force my arms to move, and the pistol has been splashed with bleachy water more than once. Infant urine 3 or 4 times. (nothing like being peed on while walking to the stash of diapers)

It gets a cleaning usually every range trip/200 rounds. usually just a wipedown and a few drops of oil. Some copper fouling that I confused for rust briefly...

Not a spot of rust anywhere.

toocool
July 27, 2011, 10:49 PM
Go Glock. Glocks are more accurate, reliable, durable and PROVEN. The only thing that should rust on a S&W M&P is the stamped "Warning, read owners manual before shooting and consult attorney" that permanently insults one on the side of the pistol.

:fire: There is NOTHING a Glock will do that an M&P won't, and M&P's do it with more style. M&P's look better than Glocks, feel better than Glocks and shoot better than Glocks...and I've never had an M&P rust EVER. The only gun I've ever had rust issues with was a Glock 21 I had maybe ten years ago.

Chris Rhines
July 27, 2011, 11:17 PM
Apparently a number of early M&P pistols made it out of the factory with finish problems. I have one of them - it's a full-size M&P 9mm and it rusts at a harsh word. Not a huge deal, but I'm pretty careful to keep it wiped down with oil.

I have two other M&P9s and one Pro, and none of them are prone to rust. I suspect the finish problems at this point are all worked out.

In general, 9mm Glocks are more accurate than full-size or 5" M&Ps. Most 9mm Glocks will shoot inside 3" at 25 yards from a bench, with good ammo. The vast majority of full-size M&Ps will struggle to make 6" groups at the same distance. The more recent production M&Ps have generally worse accuracy than the early ones.

Note that this problem is limited to the full-size and 5" 9mm M&Ps - the Compact 9mm models and all the .40s are capable of very good accuracy.

-C

Ben86
July 28, 2011, 12:03 AM
One thing i did early on was slap a light coating of turtle wax on the outside.

Really, Turtle wax? I'll have to try that for the hell of it.

Most 9mm Glocks will shoot inside 3" at 25 yards from a bench, with good ammo. The vast majority of full-size M&Ps will struggle to make 6" groups at the same distance.

That sounds unfounded. My M&P9 sure doesn't struggle.

Dnaltrop
July 28, 2011, 07:09 PM
Yep! It's been about a year, I think it's time to re-coat it... I'll post a pic once I go to the store and buy a new can to get it done... apparently I failed to seal the cannister properly before putting it on the shelf.

Gets a nice gloss to it once you pick the wax out of the impressions stamped on the slide with a toothpick.. unless you want the letters to pop out in whitish green.

TG13
July 28, 2011, 11:44 PM
just putting this out there..

not all "Stainless" steels are the same.. some are fairly low grade, and will rust nearly as easy as carbon steels.. just because it says "Stainless" on the side of the pistol does not mean that it will not rust..

my brother in law has a stainless M&P 45 in black.. it's his daily carry and the last time i looked at it, it was just fine.. and we live in a traditionally humid area.. although we are in a drought and it's not nearly as humid as it usually is..

REAPER4206969
July 29, 2011, 12:01 AM
Actually, high carbon stainless would be considered "high grade" for this application. A pistol is not a spoon.

My SW1911 rusts like the Titanic too.

Apocalypse-Now
July 29, 2011, 05:50 AM
There is NOTHING a Glock will do that an M&P won't

except not rust ;)

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