New Sig P290


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Prion
October 26, 2010, 09:17 PM
New Sig release P290 sub compact 9mm. Looks nice.

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=70&productid=307

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kentucky_smith
October 26, 2010, 09:33 PM
http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P290-detail-hero.jpg


People say there aren't enough single stack 9's. Might be a good step for Sig, might be another misstep.

GunTech
October 26, 2010, 09:35 PM
The SIG name still has some cachet. The price will be a factor, and if it's not a dud, they will probably sell a few. Concealed carry guns are doing quite well, and a single stack polymer 9 from a big maker will probably sell well.

HK-Freak
October 26, 2010, 09:41 PM
And next week they'll have a two tone one...

And the week after that they'll have one with a beavertail...

And the week after that they'll have a rainbow one to match your purse...

And the week after that they'll all be recalled.

Browns Fan
October 26, 2010, 09:54 PM
Wow! That looks interesting!

Why did they shape the trigger guard like that for?

HK-Freak
October 26, 2010, 10:00 PM
Wow! That looks interesting!

Why did they shape the trigger guard like that for?
If you're referring to the hump in the middle of it, it's to prevent the material from a pair of gloves from getting caught underneath the trigger. HK and Walther do that on all of their polymer guns.

dcarch
October 26, 2010, 10:02 PM
I miss the old steel guns. :(

Zundfolge
October 26, 2010, 10:08 PM
I miss the old steel guns. :(

They still make the P239

JQP
October 26, 2010, 11:35 PM
Not to nitpick, but P239s and, in fact, most Sigs made in the U.S. have alloy frames.

The all German older models were the all steel ones, IIRC.

Sig hasn't been too successful deviating from the path of producing alloy frame, milled slide, decocker equipped, hammer fired handguns.

The Sig 1911 wasn't exactly a winner in terms of volume or profitability, and the Sig 250 suffered from light primer strikes and other issues.

Glock, HK and Sig-Sauer/SigArms are all probably credibly deserving of Tier 1 in terms of their core weapons' reliability.

It's only when they deviate from their core principles that they seem to fall down.

This P290 looks like a chunky monkey the kind of thing Ruger or Beretta would put out.

I wouldn't mind trying it out, though.

1858
October 26, 2010, 11:37 PM
The all German older models were the all steel ones, IIRC.

My three German made SIGs have alloy frames. I have a P220 and two P225s that were made in the early '90s.

:)

nwilliams
October 26, 2010, 11:53 PM
Cool, first I've seen of this, I like it!

9mmepiphany
October 27, 2010, 01:10 AM
It does look good...my hope is that it works and replaces the P238...and I am partial to having a hammer.

I wonder if the trigger action is like the 250 or a DAK

DenaliPark
October 27, 2010, 01:19 AM
Not to nitpick, but P239s and, in fact, most Sigs made in the U.S. have alloy frames.

The all German older models were the all steel ones, IIRC.

Sig hasn't been too successful deviating from the path of producing alloy frame, milled slide, decocker equipped, hammer fired handguns.

The Sig 1911 wasn't exactly a winner in terms of volume or profitability, and the Sig 250 suffered from light primer strikes and other issues.

Glock, HK and Sig-Sauer/SigArms are all probably credibly deserving of Tier 1 in terms of their core weapons' reliability.

It's only when they deviate from their core principles that they seem to fall down.

This P290 looks like a chunky monkey the kind of thing Ruger or Beretta would put out.

I wouldn't mind trying it out, though.
The Ruger SR9c is 1.27" wide at the safeties, the P290 specs at 1.1", virtually identical to the width of the G-26....

9mmepiphany
October 27, 2010, 01:32 AM
The Ruger SR9c is 1.27" wide at the safeties, the P290 specs at 1.1", virtually identical to the width of the G-26....

That would make it a good size, I see it as competition for the Kahr line

dcarch
October 27, 2010, 11:34 AM
It is definitely different looking. I would like to see how it performs before trusting my life to it. Til then, I'll stick with my FNP 40. SIG quality at a budget price. :D

Tommygunn
October 27, 2010, 11:55 AM
FEATURES
- Lightweight sub-compact
- Available in 9mm
- Optional integrated laser
- DAO Trigger
- Removable grip plates

It's double action only. As to whether it's like the DAK or the 250 I couldn't say.

9mmepiphany
October 27, 2010, 12:51 PM
This might offer a little idea about it's size...from the IACP Conference

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/IACPOrlando038.jpg

JQP
October 27, 2010, 12:59 PM
This might offer a little idea about it's size

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/IACPOrlando038.jpg


NOW, I'm all ears.

Has Sig produced a polymer framed subcompact WITH SIG RELIABILITY/DURABILITY?

I do hope so.

Two things immediately jump out at me from that pic.

1) There's a hammer. VERY GOOD. That gives the user double strike capability, and is something I really miss with striker fired pistols. I am just more comfortable with a hammer, period.

2) Why is the slide stop so elongated and relatively large?

3) I'd like to see a lot of metal inside the polymer frame where the slide rides the rails. I have been very taken aback by how little metal there are in some other polymer frames at these critical points, especially near the rear of the frame. This unnerves me and gives me the feeling of a disposable and expendable tool.

4) Why did they make the grip so chunky as this is a single stack 9mm?

5) Why did they take away at least the option of having DA/SA, especially since this has a hammer? I don't understand the thinking here. I do not like DAO and I am not alone.

GunTech
October 27, 2010, 01:16 PM
Looking at the slide stop and the mark on the frame, I can't help wondering if it also serves as a takedown lever (since one is noticeably absent).

I might give it a try if the price is right. But I'd wait until it's been out for a while. I try not to buy version 1.0 of anything.

JimB120
October 27, 2010, 01:24 PM
I'm thinking the slide release also is the takedown pin, ala the 2022. Looks like the same mechanism (borrowed maybe).

I'd like the DA/SA option as well, love that trigger. Maybe there isn't enough room for the decocker? :scrutiny:

Prion
October 27, 2010, 01:31 PM
It has an idiot mark!

I think you are correct takedown/slide stop lever.

9mmepiphany
October 27, 2010, 01:56 PM
2) Why is the slide stop so elongated and relatively large?
Extrapolating from the shape of the slide stop and mag release, it looks like this is based on the SigPro 2022. The idiot mark on the frame would also hint that we are looking at the take-down lever

3) I'd like to see a lot of metal inside the polymer frame where the slide rides the rails. I have been very taken aback by how little metal there are in some other polymer frames at these critical points, especially near the rear of the frame. This unnerves me and gives me the feeling of a disposable and expendable tool.
If you are referring to the lack of rails in polymer frames, they aren't needed...they really aren't need in metal frames either...it is just the evolution of modern design and engineering

4) Why did they make the grip so chunky as this is a single stack 9mm?
I don't think it looks chunky at all. I think your sense of proportion is thrown off by how short the grip frame is

5) Why did they take away at least the option of having DA/SA, especially since this has a hammer? I don't understand the thinking here. I do not like DAO and I am not alone.
If you look at the competition in that market share, I think you'll find that most of the market is DAO...it is just the demand of the market. Much of the market, they'd like to attract, is populated by users of the S&W J-frame and the Ruger LCR...for them the DAK trigger is a very valid option

I don't think they've taken anything away...more of a haven't added it in yet.

Nar
October 27, 2010, 01:59 PM
Looks interesting, I'd look to see how it all turns out, but I don't think I'm going to get one. the problem i have with things that small are it seems like i can never get a good grip on them, maybe sig have fixed that, but I'm skeptical, so if anybody knows how good the grips are I'd like to know.

Strahley
October 27, 2010, 02:04 PM
If it's priced right, I will buy one

1KPerDay
October 27, 2010, 02:58 PM
looks cool... this or the Kahr PM9 will be my next little gun. Keep us updated.

doc540
October 27, 2010, 03:49 PM
Shot their baby .380 for the first time last month, and the trigger is definitely different.

Wonder if this one will be different, too.

Any prices yet?

CZF
October 27, 2010, 05:24 PM
This will probably push Ruger to announce the Micro 9mm that people
have been talking about.

The same with their rumored alum. framed SP-101.

Tacbandit
October 27, 2010, 05:50 PM
Talked with customer service @ Sig...The lady said that the price wasn't set, and that they hoped to have it out by the end of the year...for whatever that's worth...
Tac

rellascout
October 27, 2010, 07:06 PM
Four factors will make of break this gun.

Reliability: It cannot be spotty like the P238
Trigger: has to have a better reset than the P250 and be in the ballpark with the lighter Kahr
Build Quality.... is it really a Sig
Price point. It has to be cheaper than the Kahr.


If it does not have the P250 trigger runs well and is cheaper than the Kahr it has a chance. Otherwise it will be a another in the long line of Johnny come lately Cohen Sig offerings.

rellascout
October 27, 2010, 07:10 PM
If you look at the competition in that market share, I think you'll find that most of the market is DAO...it is just the demand of the market. Much of the market, they'd like to attract, is populated by users of the S&W J-frame and the Ruger LCR...for them the DAK trigger is a very valid option

The Kahr PM9 is the real point of comparison. IMHO. It has to out perform the Kahr to make any real in roads. IMHO I do not see Kahr owners running out to get this gun to replace their PM9. I think there are "Sig" guys who will get it because it is a Sig over a Kahr but this does not hold true in the greater market. I also do not think it will have the DAK trigger you are more likely to get the P250 trigger to save via economy of scale.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e46/trex021/P290.jpg

jeepguy
October 27, 2010, 07:17 PM
i always thought they shoud just make a poloymer frame for their p239 series & just use the standard slide. it would reduce the weight quite a bit & allow it to compete with glock & some other manufactures.

9mmepiphany
October 28, 2010, 05:01 PM
MSRP w/nitesights is $530

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/products/sig-sauer-p290-sub-compact-9mm/

sturmgewehr
October 28, 2010, 06:10 PM
1) There's a hammer. VERY GOOD. That gives the user double strike capability, and is something I really miss with striker fired pistols. I am just more comfortable with a hammer, period.
I like hammers too, but I hate double action first shots. I guess that why I like 1911's so much.

But "double strike" capability probably isn't the best course of action tactically. I don't know of any professional training facility that teaches students to pull the trigger a second time as part of their immediate action. Most teach you to "tap, rack, bang" to get things going again. If the round failed to ignite the first time there's little chance a second strike will do the trick, unless your weapon is malfunctioning.

Get that bad round out of the weapon, load a fresh one and get back into the fight.

:D

piece of meat
October 29, 2010, 12:39 AM
looks interesting but why does it weigh as much as a glock 19??

~Boomslang~
October 29, 2010, 01:22 AM
Its a tiny P250, with non removable FCU! Both DAO:)

9mmepiphany
October 29, 2010, 01:28 AM
looks interesting but why does it weigh as much as a glock 19??
A Glock slide is designed differently and the entire rear portion has less metal since it is almost hollow to fit the striker assembly.

The Sig slide is a solid chunk of metal in that area and the firing pin channel removes less metal than a striker assembly. The hammer assembly of the Sig weigh more than the internals of a Glock

carbuncle
October 29, 2010, 01:38 AM
Looks pretty cool to me, much preferable to a .380 in my mind. I'm interested to check them out in the stores.

slabuda
October 29, 2010, 02:00 AM
Pretty small for a 9mm. Doesnt look much bigger than a LCP so I hope its not too much of a handful. But if it does shoot and control well I may trade in the LCP for it.

Big Bill
October 29, 2010, 02:15 AM
Check out this Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm DAO 7rd. New

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/handguns/kel-tec/p/kel-tec-pf-9-9mm-dao-7rd-new/cPath/16_298/products_id/2880

Madcap_Magician
October 29, 2010, 11:25 AM
So what's up with that little swell in the trigger guard? Looks like it'll bite the hand that feeds, especially with only two fingers on the grip.

ScottM
October 29, 2010, 11:51 AM
Interesting, I'd like to shoot it but would probably never buy one. I personally don't like carrying anything with a grip length that small...I'll stick with my P225.

ABBOBERG
October 29, 2010, 12:54 PM
Looks interesting, I'd look to see how it all turns out, but I don't think I'm going to get one. the problem i have with things that small are it seems like i can never get a good grip on them, maybe sig have fixed that, but I'm skeptical, so if anybody knows how good the grips are I'd like to know.

I will be posting overlays of the Sig P238 relative to other guns on the market so that its grip can be better understood.

ScottM
October 29, 2010, 01:36 PM
Cool, can't wait to see...

ABBOBERG
October 30, 2010, 01:05 AM
Here are some overlays (so far): http://www.bobergarms.com/photo/photo/slideshow?albumId=2312567:Album:3703

varoadking
October 31, 2010, 12:07 AM
I do not like DAO and I am not alone.

I do, and I am not alone either.

Putting a decocker on that thing would be a bit difficult, don't you think?

RLZIII
November 1, 2010, 06:42 PM
I am very interested in this. I have been looking at getting either a Sig Sauer P238 or Diamondback DB380 for a conceal carry .380 ACP, as I was not satisfied with any of the micro-compact 9mm Para handguns out there. While I'll still get one of those two guns first to use as a CCW handgun, once the P290 goes through its beta testing, I'll definitely considering trading in the .380 ACP for one (as long as it proves to be reliable, accurate, et cetera).

I hope this will also push other major manufactures to release micro-compact 9mm Para guns. I'd love to see what Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Diamondback, and Beretta could do. And, while I don't think it would happen, I'd be interested to see what Glock could come up with.

mchasal
November 1, 2010, 07:46 PM
Looks good to me, and the pricing looks very good too. If this thing works well it should be a viable competitor. Priced well below the Kahr offerings. The whole thing with the replaceable grips seems a bit silly. I really don't need my initials engraved on my pistols, and given how they did the grip panels, it doesn't seem that it would allow much size variation. It also may add some bulk and weight to have that interface. Still, keeping my eye on this one.

Tacbandit
November 5, 2010, 10:04 PM
Called Sig again today. Price not set yet, and the gun probably won't be available before SHOT SHOW... Really want to see one of these...Hurry up and wait, I suppose...
Tac

Cokeman
November 22, 2010, 01:41 AM
This will probably push Ruger to announce the Micro 9mm that people have been talking about.


More info?

JQP
November 22, 2010, 01:53 AM
Maybe it's me, but this whole micro 9 and .380 thing is getting crazy.

It all reminds me of this SNL skit. It's at 04:16:

http://www.mojvideo.com/video-snl-jeffrey-s-store/28c97de81e587c4d2eb0

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