LCP: Enhanced control grips?


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Packman
October 26, 2010, 11:14 PM
I test-fired a guy's LCP at the range the other day, thinking I might like to buy one.

I was not impressed. Even with the extended floorplate mag, I was still having a hard time controlling the gun. It tended to jump and rotate in my hand such that the support hand was more or less tossed of the firing hand, and the trigger guard was slamming into the bottom of my trigger finger.

Does this gun benefit from something like a Hogue slip-on grip, with the finger grooves? Or is the extra "grabby bit" not especially helpful?

I like the idea of the LCP, even though I can't stand that DAO trigger travel, but it's a defensive gun, not a range toy. If it can be made more controllable, I'd be willing to reconsider my decision to not buy one.

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bigfatdave
October 26, 2010, 11:22 PM
Making an LCP bigger defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Try out the Kel Tec original (P3AT), and if it is a no-go as well, you'll be faced with the choice between a P32 (same size as a LCP/P3AT in .32acp, less recoil and an extra round) or a PF9 (9mm, slim, slightly bigger than a P3AT or LCP but with more grip).

Mouseguns are all about compromises, I'm sure there's something out there you can enjoy shooting and endure carrying.

Just One Shot
October 27, 2010, 09:09 AM
I have one holstered in my right front pocket as I type this. Mag finger extension took care of the problem for me. It helps me control the muzzle flip by allowing me to get 2 fingers on the grip instead of just one and it doesn't add much printing to the little gun.

DasFriek
October 27, 2010, 09:19 AM
Take a good look at the Sig P238, Its a mouse gun thats actually fun to shoot.
It also has a great SAO trigger with all the safety features of a 1911 except the grip safety.
I carried mine holstered cocked and locked in my rear pocket and im 6'4" 270lbs and sat on that gun all day with no issues.
They have been known to be finicky at times but ive read Sig has worked to get that ironed out like any new gun on the market usually has a flaw or 2. Imo it was all mag related in more cases.

Packman
October 27, 2010, 10:16 AM
Just to clarify, I'm talking about one of the slip-on rubber grip sleeves that essentially adds finger grooves to the grip. It wouldn't add much, if any, noticeable bulk to the gun. What I'm curious is to whether it would reduce muzzle flip, since even with the extended floorplate, I had a hard time controlling the LCP. And, I have pretty slender hands, I can get 2 fingers on the grip even with the standard floorplate.

The Sig 238 is a nice gun, no doubt about it. It's also double the price (ish) of the LCP, and I'm not paying that for a .380, I don't care how nice it is.

What's the verdict on the NAA Guardian .380? It's not much more than the LCP, but I like the idea of a little extra mass. I haven't had a chance to handle one though.

1KPerDay
October 27, 2010, 12:05 PM
If the guardian is anything like the seecamp, which IIRC it's nearly identical, it will be seriously painful to shoot. Talk about banging your finger against the triggerguard?? The blow-back .380s are WAY worse in that regard. I shot a .380 seecamp and I could only handle 2 mags worth before I'd had enough. The LCP I can shoot all day long.

Try gripping it a bit harder. I find the LCP positively pleasant to shoot.

Just One Shot
October 27, 2010, 01:46 PM
If it's mass you want you might look into the Bersa Thunder .380. It's not as concealable as the LCP but it is real dependable. I had one and it ate everything I fed it and the price is right.

larryh1108
October 27, 2010, 09:49 PM
The slip on grip combined with the finger hook helps a lot! It's amazing what a little rubber can do. The grip sleeve keeps it from torquing in your hand, too. Spoken from experience.

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/LCP/RugerLCPleft111.jpg

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/LCP/LCPWallet111.jpg

Packman
October 28, 2010, 05:24 PM
Thanks, Larry. That's what I was looking to find out. Much obliged for the input, and thanks a bunch for the pics!

Big Bill
October 28, 2010, 05:32 PM
Here's mine with a 7 roung mag extention... My slip on grip is a Hogue.

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/teagueh/Guns/LCP2.jpg

Big Bill
October 28, 2010, 05:42 PM
Making an LCP bigger defeats the purpose, doesn't it?Adding a few accessories to make the gun more comfortable to hold and shoot doesn't defeat the purpose of the gun. I added the Hogue slip on grip, mag extensions, and an 11 lb Wolff Spring to lessen the recoil without affecting the operation of the handgun. I probably didn't add more that one or (at most) two ounces to the overall carry weight, and the added bulk is negligible.

Magoo
October 28, 2010, 05:54 PM
"Agrip" is another option. I get a much better purchase on my PM40 with it. It adds practically no size to the gun and won't hang up if drawing from a pocket.

The Lone Haranguer
October 28, 2010, 06:03 PM
For full disclosure: I've never actually fired one of these, but have handled them at gun shows.

This is a tiny gun, with a one- or 1 1/2-finger grip, in a size that used to be primarily the home of .25 and .32 calibers, but firing the .380 cartridge. I am unsure what more you could do to it other than some sort of grip sleeve and a finger extension, but if you make the grip too large you defeat the purpose of its being little.

Johnsonator
October 28, 2010, 07:02 PM
Like you I recently was ready to purchase the LCP but found that it just didn't feel very stable in my hand even with the pinky extension so the search was something that had a better grip. I checked out the Sig and liked the feel of it but didnt like the steep price tag and the single action only. Then I found the new Taurus TCP and it was exactly what I was looking for. The TCP is similar to the LCP but the grip feels so much more secure. It handles like it is a much bigger pistol while being the same size as the LCP. The trigger is smooth and the recoil is much less than I expected. So far I have 100 rounds though it with no malfunctions, I highly recommend anyone looking for a pocket .380 to check out the Taurus TCP.

wrench
October 28, 2010, 07:49 PM
I have an LCP I like a lot. I've put the extended floor plates on the magazines, and one of those rubber grip sleeves with the finger grooves on the grip.
Doesn't make the gun appreciably bigger, but is much more comfortable to shoot, and more controllable.

Big Bill
October 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
...but if you make the grip too large you defeat the purpose of its being little. No you don't defeat the purpose. (Where is this nonsensical idea coming from?) It's still easy to conceal, etc. All you are adding is a couple of ounces (at the most) and the grip is only widened perhaps 1/16".

AK103K
October 28, 2010, 08:39 PM
I stippled my grip....

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a0ce34b3127ccefb0b4f5a693600000030O00CYuWbdo5bsQe3nwk/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

It feels a lot like skateboard tape, but even better. You cant really see it in the pic, but it goes completely around the front strap and I did the spot on the back strap they had done.

The grip feels a lot more secure, and the gun doenst move at all in your hand when you shoot it.

I also dont understand adding all the extra stuff that makes the gun bigger, as it just defeats the purpose. If you need something bigger, might as well get something bigger. I actually have pretty much given up now on the LCP and carry a Glock 26 in its place (both were/are back ups). The LCP is OK, it just doesnt do anything better than my Seecamps, so I'm sticking with them.

I had a lot better luck with my LCP than I did my P238, which was not at all reliable. The LCP has never missed a beat, which trumps anything else the P238 might have had going for it. When shot realistically, side by side, they both shot very much the same. The only difference there is, the P238 is the better deliberate "target" shooter. If thats how you shoot, and you can find one that works, then the P238 would probably be the better choice for you.

Zerodefect
October 29, 2010, 06:22 AM
If you don't have a LCP yet, skip it, and get a KAhr p380.

Better grip and less recoil.

Packman
October 29, 2010, 09:36 AM
Only problem with the Kahr is the price. I won't pay 500+ for a pocket gun.

The Taurus might be a contender. I handled one in a gun shop a while back, but I handed it back and basically forgot about it. Haven't thought about it again since.

However, it's got the price right, the size is pretty good....Might be worth tracking down one at a range somewhere. Hmmm...

larryh1108
October 29, 2010, 10:12 AM
Only problem with the Kahr is the price. I won't pay 500+ for a pocket gun.

Not being able to pay $500 and not wanting to pay $500 for a pocket gun are two different things. If you can pay the $500 the you should at least hold the Kahr and feel it before you rule it out. The Taurus is not a lot cheaper than a used Kahr PM9 or .380 and the quality is night and day. If you can't afford the $500 then the Kahr is out of the picture.

verdun59
October 29, 2010, 11:14 AM
I'll second Zero's comment, the Kahr P380 is the way to go. It really is an easy shooter.

Big Bill
October 29, 2010, 01:59 PM
If you don't have a LCP yet, skip it, and get a KAhr p380.

Better grip and less recoil. Or, better yet, you could just buy a Kel Tec PF9 new for $260.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/handguns/kel-tec/p/kel-tec-pf-9-9mm-dao-7rd-new/cPath/16_298/products_id/2880

Johnsonator
October 29, 2010, 04:18 PM
I liked the Kahr but couldn't justify the price tag. The Taurus TCP is usually $10-20 cheaper than the LCP, I paid $269.99 for my TCP.

benzy2
October 29, 2010, 06:38 PM
For me, by the time you lengthen the mags and thicken the grip frame of the LCP, you might as well be into a small 9mm like the PF9. I think the beauty of the LCP is how small it is. If that is a problem, don't make a small gun bigger, buy a bigger gun. It has little to do with weight and a lot to do with size. Claiming it only adds an ounce or two isn't near as much of an issue as to the size increase, at least compared to the size of the smaller 9mms out there.

larryh1108
October 29, 2010, 06:44 PM
For me, by the time you lengthen the mags and thicken the grip frame of the LCP, you might as well be into a small 9mm like the PF9.

You're kidding, right?

We're talking a grip sleeve and a magazine floor plate.

benzy2
October 29, 2010, 07:38 PM
You're kidding, right?

We're talking a grip sleeve and a magazine floor plate.
Have you seen the pictures from Big Bill with the mag bases? You really are pushing the size of a PF9 by the time you use the bigger mag bases and the slip on grip. The PF9 really isn't much bigger than the LCP and adding much at all to the LCP brings it really close in grip width and length.

larryh1108
October 29, 2010, 08:54 PM
Tales of the tape:
LCP: L-5.16" PF9: L-5.85"
LCP: W-.82" PF9: W-.88"
LCP: H-3.6" PF9: H-4.3"
LCP: #-9.4oz PF9: #-12.7oz

I think you have 2 guns miles apart when you get into the micro pistols. The 3oz difference alone is huge when the LCP is only 9oz to start with. They are not even close in size but I will admit you do get 9mm for a package that is pretty small. However, the LCP with a finger hook and grip sleeve is no where near a PF9 in any aspect. Apples and oranges.

benzy2
October 29, 2010, 09:32 PM
My point was, and is, if you add .1" to the thickness with a slip on grip pad as well as toss on .5" with a grip extension, as well as 2oz from these parts, you are practically at the same size as the PF9. The LCP will still be shorter, but other than that, it all be matches the PF9. For me, .7" in length isn't often the measure that matter much. If it is to you, then the LCP still comes out ahead. Look at your numbers, then add what these parts would add, and honestly tell me you aren't looking at basically a .380 PF9 with the fatter, taller LCP.

larryh1108
October 29, 2010, 11:42 PM
I doubt the grip sleeve and finger grip add 1/2 oz total let alone 2oz. If you really wish to know I can weigh them for you but I don't have the regular mag base plate to subtract from the weight of the finger hook one (since this is the difference). The empty weight alone is 33% more in the PF9. I am not debating which would be better more than I am debating how little a grip sleeve and finger rest adds to the initial package. Both are fine guns and actually every gun mentioned here is a very nice gun. It's all up to what is important to the buyer.

76shuvlinoff
October 30, 2010, 07:44 AM
I recently bought an LCP, I've been waiting since they came out to get my hands on one.
I'm used to a full size .45 and a subcompact double stack .40. It has it's place in the line-up but even with my small hands this little pistol really rocks around. I already have the pinky extension some kind of grip sleeve is my next move.

JDGray
October 30, 2010, 08:31 AM
Try a Promag, the finger hook is slightly longer and helps with muzzle flip. I dont find my LCP overly flippy, and its a joy to shoot, but that me not you:D

Tilos
October 30, 2010, 09:01 AM
Packman:
Should wander back here and read this:
I would suggest a piece of bicycle inner tube...free at most bike shops.
No finger bumps to align and one tube is enough for 6-10 guns.:D

mgmorden
October 30, 2010, 01:39 PM
Personally, I had (have) the same issue with my LCP. It's so small I just can't be accurate with it - and I actually have fairly small hands. I've got the aftermarket extension grip on one of the magazines (it's longer than the included Ruger extension), and it helps a little, but not much.

Personally, though I doubt I'll ever get rid of the LCP, I'm seriously looking into either a Kel-tec PF9 or a Kahr CW9 as a carry replacement. They're still small-ish, but there's just a little more to hand onto which would help me a lot. Having a tiny carry gun does me no good if I can't hit anything with it . . .

Tilos
October 30, 2010, 02:04 PM
mgmorden:
Most self defense situations are within bad breath range and often with your weak hand holding the bg away at arms length.
Accuracy will not be an issue.
Practice point shooting, one handed, with you forearm tight against your side just above your hip.
Hold the gun as tight as a tennis racket.
Practice, drawing/shooting, moving right, moving left, lying on your back, practice, practice.
Keep a tennis ball in your car and squeeze it while driving to build hand strength.
YMMV

larryh1108
October 30, 2010, 05:27 PM
Having a tiny carry gun does me no good if I can't hit anything with it . . .
Like he just said, the LCP is for up close and personal contact. Try a silhouette target at 10' max. All you are trying to do is hit the human target where it can cause some damage. Any shot in the main oval is considered a good shot. It's not a range gun where you get all 9 and 10 ring shots at 30'. If you understand it's purpose you'll be more than pleased when your shooting session is over.

benzy2
October 30, 2010, 05:46 PM
Larryh, I was talking about the mag extensions from Big Bill's photo, not to mention you gain an extra round as well. Personally, the difference between 9oz and 12oz isn't noticeable in a pocket for me. The size is what I notice. While the percentage difference may be large, both are quite light, and to me, are both far light enough to not be a problem either way. Even then, if you add 1oz with the extra parts, I don't think I could tell you which weighed more when being carried (between 10oz and 12oz). It just isn't much no matter how big of a percentage it may be.

What I notice is size. I can't fit a taller pistol than the stock baseplate in a pocket and holster comfortable. For me, that is the issue, not 2 oz. If I am going to increase the thickness and height, I don't see a reason not to step up to 9mm. I have a purpose for my LCP, but it isn't to bulk it up, but to keep it as small as possible.

I for some reason shoot the LCP pretty well. At 7 yards I hold the 8 ring on a silhouette target in rapid fire. For me, that is perfect. But if I couldn't shoot the thing and had to lengthen and widen it, I would spend the money on a PF9 instead. I really like the LCP, but if you increase the dimensions much, you might as well be shooting 9mm as well.

larryh1108
October 30, 2010, 06:26 PM
Benzy, I agree with everything you just wrote. Excellent points.

I have a purpose for my LCP, but it isn't to bulk it up, but to keep it as small as possible.

This hits the nail on the head. Enhancing it with grip sleeves and/or finger hook (not extension) keeps the value of the LCP for it's design. That's my point. Adding bulk, weight and accessories and you do have a 9mm size gun that shoots .380. That defeats the purpose of the design.

Gun Geezer
October 31, 2010, 09:28 AM
I have tried the slip on grip on several smallish 380 and 9mm guns that have been mentioned. This alone makes a huge differnce in feel and controlablity.

Skateboard tape is another option that achieves the same thing, but I think to a lessor degree. I prefer the slip on with finger grooves.

With a slip on, there is virtually no weight added. The width added to the grip area is neglibible (yes about 1/16 inch) and nothing added to height or length (obviously).

There is a very definite place for 380 mouse guns. Front pockets, rear pockets, and others that just will not hold a pf9 or even a PM9, depending on the pocket.

The slip on grip is a winner in making the gun that will work in that pocket more contollable.

dtsdave
October 31, 2010, 10:29 AM
I hav an LCP and personally do not feel that I need rubber on the grip. I did add a Handall to my Kel Tec PF-9. It helped. I would not opt fot the PF-9 over the lcp for concealability. It is longer overall and the grip angle makes the grip much higher in the pocket. I ended up selling the PF-9 and buying a Kahr PM-9 and it conceals much better in the pocket for me. Yes it is in a whole different price category. Also the 9mm offerings are thicker and heavier than the LCP. If small, light, inexpensive and concealable are what you want the LCP fits the bill. A little ruber on the grip will not change any of those attributes.

jon_in_wv
October 31, 2010, 01:40 PM
I own and carry a Ruger LCP at times and I use the factory finger extensions. They fit my hand and the grips feels locked in to my hand. I can't shoot it nearly as well without them. I fyou have a hard time with the LCP I would take a look at the Bersa 380CC. If is a bit larger but you might find it a lot easier to shoot while still being small enough to conceal easily.

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