Would you buy a Glock 1911?


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bds
October 26, 2010, 11:56 PM
Since other major gun manufacturers have gone the way of 1911s (S&W, Sig, Taurus, etc.), I think there's a chance that Glock may offer their own 1911s. Some say various gun manufacturers actually read and follow forum sentiments like THR. I am fan of both 1911s and Glocks, so I would like to see this come to fruition.

So, if Glock sold 1911s with the usual desired features (tight slide to frame fit, crisp trigger, etc.), would you buy one?

Would appreciate your "honest" rationale and comments too.

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GunTech
October 27, 2010, 12:02 AM
No.

The Glock was specifically designed with an eye towards mass production. G, Glock was not a gun guy, he is an engineer who understand industrial process, and when he decided to build a gun, he designed said gun around modern industrial production.

The 1911 is a different design entirely. It requires a different style of manufacture. Not to say it can't be mass produced, but the whole design philosophy is radically different from the Glock. For Glock to make a 1911 would be like starting over at ground zero.

HK-Freak
October 27, 2010, 12:09 AM
Never happen IMHO. The reason Glocks are so awesome is because they literally focus all of their energy into one design; and they're able to manage outstanding quality control as a result. If they suddenly made 1911's, you could expect something similar to what happened to SIG-Sauer when they started making rifles and non-classic pistols.

GLOOB
October 27, 2010, 12:09 AM
No, I wouldn't. But I don't have any 1911's and I don't plan to buy one anytime soon.

I'm sure they could turn a profit on it. Even if they teamed up with some other quality maker and just put their name and tennifer finish on the guns, there might be something to it. But it might hurt their image in some deeper way, so I'd doubt they would make something that is so not "perfection." I know that my perception of SIG changed when I started seeing stainless steel ported race guns with beavertails and huge magwell extension.

Radagast
October 27, 2010, 12:18 AM
Nope. I have a Glock 17, I also have a polymer framed double stack Bul M5 1911 style pistol. I'm keeping the Glock and selling the Bul, even though the Bul is 100% reliable with a very light trigger. I'll keep my Glock till the day I die. I may one day buy a proper all steel 1911A1, but there are many dedicated manufacturers of 1911s, so I would go with one of the better ones, such as STI. Glock do polymer striker fired guns very, very well. Other manufacturers do 1911s very, very well. I would stick to the experts for each style of firearm, rather than be caught up in brand loyalty.

DenaliPark
October 27, 2010, 12:21 AM
There is no room in my heart for a polymer framed 1911, regardless of who manufactured it...

rondog
October 27, 2010, 12:27 AM
Man, that would be like a Ford Corvette.....

JQP
October 27, 2010, 12:28 AM
I see an opening here for the photoshop skilled.

:)

okespe04
October 27, 2010, 01:22 AM
As an owner of a glock 19 and a M1911A1 no.

David E
October 27, 2010, 01:24 AM
They have needed to change their grip angle to that of the 1911 since Day One.

No matter how many they've sold, they would've sold more had they done so.

Their recent feeble attempt at a "replaceable backstrap" leaves much to be desired.

CH10
October 27, 2010, 01:31 AM
I'd consider it, I can't say I like Glocks but that has nothing to do with the brand and everything to do with the grip. Unless I have a specific gun in mind I'd have to at least look at it.

Big Bill
October 27, 2010, 01:38 AM
I voted - No! But, I might buy a Glock revolver.

Ragnar Danneskjold
October 27, 2010, 01:43 AM
Yes, if I wanted a 1911 at all. Since I don't like 1911s, then no I wouldn't.

Gryffydd
October 27, 2010, 01:51 AM
A. Never going to happen.
B. Everything that makes Glocks great is exactly the opposite of what makes 1911s great. You'd most likely end up with the worst of both worlds.

GunTech
October 27, 2010, 01:54 AM
Now if Glock were to make a pistol caliber carbine...

uspJ
October 27, 2010, 02:06 AM
I would most likely get one, if it sucked I'd trade it.

JQP
October 27, 2010, 02:07 AM
So this means we'll probably never see a Glock rifle?

I was looking forward to that.

And the Glock revolver, too.

LRS_Ranger
October 27, 2010, 02:09 AM
I don't think that a polymer 1911 would sell well regardless of who makes it. Usually people who buy 1911's are guys that have an eye for craftsmanship history, and precision, which is not very Glock-like. Glock guys are all about reliability, which Glock has pegged. A glock 1911 would be about what would happen if a shark and a bear had babies.. a completely useless abomination..

Ragnar Danneskjold
October 27, 2010, 02:10 AM
Now if Glock were to make a pistol caliber carbine...

This. I would get one in a heartbeat. Especially since it would almost certainly take Glock pistol magazines as well as the 30rd magazines. That would be an amazing SHTF weapon. The reliability and ruggedness of a Glock in both a pistol and a carbine, with swappable ammo and mags. I would be awesome if they were modular as well and could put say, a 16" upper or a 7" upper on the same frame, to make it NFA legal and to give you a longer range weapon or a CQC weapon depending on needs. Maybe even swappable for caliber too. Also a grip with side, back, and front straps that can be changed for varying hand sizes. Give it a stock that both folds and extends and a lightweight quad-rail front/railed top, and you would have a carbine that is customizable for almost any situation.

A and O
October 27, 2010, 02:50 AM
Pistol Caliber carbines seem to be getting a resurgence of interest as of late. Yeah, sign me up for one of the Glock PCC's. Not interested in a Glock 1911, for some reason it seems a contradiction of terms to me.

DonRon
October 27, 2010, 08:36 AM
I would like to see a Glock chambered in 7.62x25. Now that would be a real humdinger.

Walkalong
October 27, 2010, 08:55 AM
It will never happen, but if they made a quality all steel 1911 true to the original design, why not?

Ragnar Danneskjold
October 27, 2010, 08:59 AM
A Glock in 5.7x28 would be awesome if the 5.7 rounds were as cheap and plentiful as 9mm.

senior
October 27, 2010, 09:03 AM
Personally I wont buy ANY Glock!

Steelshooter101
October 27, 2010, 09:21 AM
Possibly if they put a barrel in that you could shoot cast bullets.

DasFriek
October 27, 2010, 09:40 AM
Id say no for many reasons, But if i was wrong id consider it.
I dont have Glock as i want a G29 now.

1. It would cost more than it was worth
2. 99.2% chance of a polymer frame and on a 1911 thats gonna handle like CARP!
3. Jambing issues? What issues? We see no issues? We only sell "Perfection"
4. Deadly accidents from a flawed design? We dont do recalls we fix the issue and leave the old guns out there.
5. Gangsters looking at gold plated Glock 1911's would make me throw up on the gun stores counter and get banned for life.
6. 3 letters G.A.P
7. J.M. Browning sues for copyright infringement.
8. Who wants a 2" wide 1911 that looks like its built from square Lego's?
9. Manual thumb safety? We don't need no stink'n thumb safety that ones between your ears.
10. You have to buy the G1911 and a trigger kit at the same time but this time you need a smith to install it.
11. Its made by Glock.
12. If i find a lever in the middle of my trigger I will super glue it in place and sand it flat.
13. Para Ordanance has been trying to make good double stack 1911's with similar triggers id suspect Glock would copy and very few people like P.O. guns.
14. Which brings me to my second point, kids. Don't do crack.

Alot of that is me attempting to be funny, But alot is true imo if it were to happen.
Id still buy a G29, But no G1911.

engineer88
October 27, 2010, 09:43 AM
I went with yes. Polymer...I don't know about that, but tennifer certainly trumps blued, parked and most if not all of the other finishes commonly on 1911's. In addition, I have heard that glock cs is exemplary. Never had to use it pernally, but nice to know.

Agreed though that the manufacturing process is completely different for the two designs. That being said if they could pull it off and produce a quality product at a good price point, why not? I could use a 1911 in the collection. :)

Prion
October 27, 2010, 09:47 AM
Just give us a 1911 grip angle!!!!!!!! Is that so hard???????

Guillermo
October 27, 2010, 09:57 AM
If I wanted a polymer framed 1911 I would certainly look at the fictitious 1911 Glock.

As said it won't happen and besides, I am not in the market for a plastic framed 1911.

ForumSurfer
October 27, 2010, 09:57 AM
Why would they build one? It would mean tooling up the factory for a new platform. They likely don't have room for that as they are selling Glocks as fast as they can dump them on distributors. That means they would have to open a plant or expand on what they have.

A brand new, made from scratch Glock 1911 would need to be reliable or tarnish their image...so that means 100's of 1000's of dollars in R & D. The only less expensive route is to take another manufacturer's (caspian or someone even cheaper imported) and assemble them with glock's own controls and finish. Then we would all gripe about a glock 1911 not being a glock, just a re-brand.

So why would the spend millions to develop a platform that will likely not sell as well as what they already have? 1911's sell well, but everyone sells them. People won't abandon Colt, Kimber, Springfield et al and move en masse to Glock; so likely they just don't see the market for it.

BlayGlock
October 27, 2010, 10:12 AM
It has already been done. Its called a Wilson Combat Spec Ops. :neener:

jimmyraythomason
October 27, 2010, 10:15 AM
Not a fan of Glock or 1911,so no interest in it at all.

DonRon
October 27, 2010, 11:04 AM
A Glock in 5.7x28 would be awesome if the 5.7 rounds were as cheap and plentiful as 9mm.
If Glock made the pistol the ammo manufactures would follow suit. Glock is a world trend setter, why do you think everyone went plastic after the Glock. Glock has set the handgun world up on it's ear. They don't rust, bust, collect dust and when you need a gun this is the one that we all trust.

DonRon
October 27, 2010, 11:07 AM
Why would they build one? It would mean tooling up the factory for a new platform. They likely don't have room for that as they are selling Glocks as fast as they can dump them on distributors. That means they would have to open a plant or expand on what they have.

A brand new, made from scratch Glock 1911 would need to be reliable or tarnish their image...so that means 100's of 1000's of dollars in R & D. The only less expensive route is to take another manufacturer's (caspian or someone even cheaper imported) and assemble them with glock's own controls and finish. Then we would all gripe about a glock 1911 not being a glock, just a re-brand.

So why would the spend millions to develop a platform that will likely not sell as well as what they already have? 1911's sell well, but everyone sells them. People won't abandon Colt, Kimber, Springfield et al and move en masse to Glock; so likely they just don't see the market for it.
Glock already has several models that hurl that outdated lead marble with the terrible ballistics called the .45 ACP

jon86
October 27, 2010, 11:23 AM
I really enjoy shooting 1911's. But on a carry gun, I can do without external safeties. Right now my budget won't allow me to get just a range gun. So no I wouldn't buy a 1911 at this point in my career/budget. Later in life I'd love one.

Ben86
October 27, 2010, 12:01 PM
I'm not interested in a glock 1911, but a slim subcompact 9mm or .380 would get my attention.

JimB120
October 27, 2010, 12:39 PM
Keep trying to wrap my brain around a Glock to shoot in competition, but just can't get there.

Don't like they way they feel or handle and even if it looked like a 1911, which would be a vast improvement, still think I'd spend my money elsewhere.

Gryffydd
October 27, 2010, 01:02 PM
They don't rust, bust, collect dust and when you need a gun this is the one that we all trust.
Did you really just write a poem to Glocks? I also didn't realize they have a special anti-dust feature.

Glock already has several models that hurl that outdated lead marble with the terrible ballistics called the .45 ACP
Wait... What? Terrible ballistics? In what context? Compared to what? I didn't realize 230gr@950 or 185@1200 ever went out of style.

millertyme
October 27, 2010, 01:39 PM
Glock doesn't seem to be interested in the "let's do what everyone else and their third world dog is doing" trend. They do what they do and they do it well. All the nonsense that they couldn't mass produce a polymer framed 1911 style pistol can stop. If you can make a shape out of steel through the laborious process of casting, forging, machining, and finishing you could certainly do it for a fraction of the cost with any of the modern polymers. The argument that it would be crap or that is wouldn't be strong enough also fails the test. Glock pistols are pretty functional and reliable. Any pistol that they might bring to market would likely meet the same expectations. After all, no one likes to get sued. If they made a 1911 style polymer single-stack 45 (who's to say it would be double?) and it functioned reliably for the same price as one of their other pistols, good for them. But why would they when they're striker-fired platform already has the shooting world split either for or against them?

ForumSurfer
October 27, 2010, 01:59 PM
If you can make a shape out of steel through the laborious process of casting, forging, machining, and finishing you could certainly do it for a fraction of the cost with any of the modern polymers

Yes, but you still have to build machinery for it and you need someplace to put said machinery...if the factories are operating near capacity now, a new production line would take up precious real estate. It's not that they couldn't....I think the question would be "Is it financially feasible to do so?"

Glock already has several models that hurl that outdated lead marble with the terrible ballistics called the .45 ACP

Wow.

Greg528iT
October 27, 2010, 02:23 PM
Maybe not NO not ever, but No, I don't think so. I would and expect to buy a XDm which would fit the bill of a Glock 1911, polimer and double stack

FIVETWOSEVEN
October 27, 2010, 02:47 PM
A Glock in 5.7x28 would be awesome if the 5.7 rounds were as cheap and plentiful as 9mm.

This would be a good idea, cheaper than a FiveseveN thats for sure. One thing Glock needs to do first is make a single stack full size .45 ACP, not make a new round as a solution.

Gryffydd
October 27, 2010, 02:52 PM
One thing Glock needs to do first is make a single stack full size .45 ACP,
Personally, I'd like to see them stick with double stack but do it with the ergonomics of the XD45 or XDm 45. The .45 is a fat round, but it is possible to put it in a double stack grip that's not the size and shape of a 2x4.

A 5.7 Glock would be a fun toy, that's for sure.

CoRoMo
October 27, 2010, 03:01 PM
Only if they could produce a truly traditional design/configuration, no billboard, a Baer/Brown/Wilson level of quality, and at a Glock price.

Otherwise, no way, no how.

wh!plash
October 27, 2010, 03:29 PM
Everything that makes Glocks great is exactly the opposite of what makes 1911s great. You'd most likely end up with the worst of both worlds.

Polymer...I don't know about that, but tennifer certainly trumps blued, parked and most if not all of the other finishes commonly on 1911's.

This.

Also, to me the HK pistols kind of fill this void. You get the no-nonsense function-before-form design, but being DA/SA, I can carry it either way. Chambered and decocked so I have a DA trigger pull as the safety (glock-ish), or I can carry it cocked and locked with a thumb safety (1911-ish).

//I own both, but I'm a 1911 fan way more than I am a Glock guy

bds
October 27, 2010, 03:50 PM
The .45 is a fat round, but it is possible to put it in a double stack grip that's not the size and shape of a 2x4.
Yes, already done by Taurus in their PT145 - double stack 45ACP, small grip, 1911/Sig/CZ like grip angle and ergonomic controls to boot. The sights are right on every time I point the pistol at a door knob. If you haven't, grip one next time you are at a gun store - it's like M&P40 grip with the small insert.

As to OP, I am approaching this with the perspective that good manufacturers are always sensitive to their customers' wants and desires. Although many like the Glock features and reliability, most common complaints are grip angle, blocky grip, interesting trigger, cheap plastic sights, less supported chamber that bulges cases, etc.

So what if Glock did fix all that or better yet, keep their present line and started an alternate anti-Glock line and produced metal 1911 models? Glock certainly has the financial resources to take over any failing pistol manufacturing plant or build a new one anywhere in the world.

We haven't fully examined the new Caracal pistol from UAE yet in the US markets (BTW, Caracal is Turkish for black eared fiercely territorial medium sized cat) and I am sure Glock engineers are furiously looking at ways to out-compete with Caracal/XD/M&P pistols as we speak.

As I see it, if M&Ps came factory with performance center triggers (and this may happen in the near future along with their new SD pistols), it will give Glocks a run for their money with improved ambi controls, improved ergonomics, grip inserts for small/large hands and metal magazines that will always drop free. The reality is, S&W will continue to make strong bid for LE contracts for their M&P line along with other firearm manufacturers. I think it will just be a matter of time before S&W overtake Glock for LE contracts.

If Glock wants to continue holding onto their customer market share or increase market share, they may have to consider all options, including offering metal pistols. :rolleyes:

OK, back to OP.

RonDeer10mm
October 27, 2010, 03:57 PM
Glock model 1911-20 in 10 mm with a doublestack magazine :D

Ben86
October 27, 2010, 06:56 PM
One thing Glock needs to do first is make a single stack full size .45 ACP, not make a new round as a solution.

Agreed. The 45 GAP is an unnecessary answer to a problem that already had a solution.

If Glock wants to continue holding onto their customer market share or increase market share, they may have to consider all options, including offering metal pistols.

It'll be a cold day in hell before that happens. ;)

possum
October 27, 2010, 08:40 PM
Would you buy a Glock 1911?
no i wouldn't because it would still be a 1911.

kmbrman
October 27, 2010, 11:19 PM
Sure, remember that no less than Wilson Combat makes or did make a polymer framed 1911 that was reviewed a while back in a gun article and was a 9mm. . Also Kimber had a polymer framed 1911 in it's catalogue for a while. So I figure Glock could also produce one of some variety, although I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

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