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Nightcrawler
December 18, 2003, 02:26 AM
There's something about this game.

I mean, I have a bunch of games that have 10x the graphics, smoother controls, better sound, etc.

And yet, there's no other game where you have so much freedom. In one mission, you're a specops type, assigned to infiltrate a Soviet encampment and destroy at least two tanks. You're well behind enemy lines, and they're not expecting you. In fact, with the exception of a couple of perimeter guards, all of the troops and tank crews are standing around a big fire having a bull session.

So what did I do? Crawl in and plant satchel charges? No way. I snuck up to a T72, and hopped into the gunner's seat. I mowed down the Reds with the coaxial machine gun, destroyed the other tanks with the main cannon, drove the tank away, got out, blew it up with a satchel charge, and walked to my extraction point.

You just don't get that in other games.

I've been fiddlin' with the mission editor. Pretty steep learning curve in it; you've got to do scripting, and to write a briefing you've got to do some HTML stuff. BUT...there are so many addons for this game, I've really upped the ante. For exmaple, my preferred weapons loadout? A well-done FN-FAL rifle, binoculars, and a S&W M66 .357 as a sidearm.

I've also downloaded an addon that adds UN troops, blue helmets and everything. So I've been making missions where you're the resistance fighting the UN. It's a big SHTF scenario. :D

The game has flaws. The graphics are very dated looking, the controls can be jerky, and the game does not model indoor combat or CQB very well at all. Hopefully these will be improved in the sequel, which I believe is supposed to be released in 2005.

But, if you're interested in what's probably the most realistic depiction of infantry warfare available, I say pick it up. You can probably find the Game of the Year Edition for $20.00 now.

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MAKOwner
December 18, 2003, 04:55 AM
The Resistance expansion is sweet as hell. Perfect SHTF scenario. Start out with crap and start getting more and more weapons on your missions when you take them the hard way. Lots of setups for ambushes on supply convoys and armored columns and such. Damn it's sweet, one of the only singleplayer games I'll play, most suckass... Experimenting with different approaches to the missions is fun. It's also not so linear, with enemies only coming down the pike while you shoot them, you have to pay attention to the entire area. BMPs or other tanks that roll up have a real presence on the battlefield. Unlike most games where they are fodder for your 500 missles to take out. I had to hide like a mofo on several missions to keep from getting wasted by damn tanks I had either missed with any rockets I scrounged or didn't have enough to take out... Kickass game.

Too bad the multiplayer is somewhat flawed with poor netcode and a lackluster game setup/browser stuff. But oh well, what little multiplayer I've played was sweet...

The iron sights are cool too, they need to eliminate the crosshair completely...

Nightcrawler
December 18, 2003, 04:57 AM
they need to eliminate the crosshair completely...

If you go into the difficulty setting in the options box, you'll find you can turn the crosshair off. :)

MAKOwner
December 18, 2003, 05:02 AM
Hmm, didn't notice that. And then if you got into multiplayer much others wouldn't be disabling it and such so it wouldn't be particularly fair (unless it was a server side forced mod...). They just needed to remove it from the game completely, and maybe work on a 3d iron sight with the actual gun model instead of a 2d image stuck up there, but oh well. I understand OpFlash 2 is underway, who knows what all they'll do with it... Can't wait.

Nightcrawler
December 18, 2003, 05:15 AM
Well, my gaming computer isn't internet-capable anyways, so I play single player only. OFP would be REALLY fun in co-op, over a LAN or other high-speed network, where you were sitting in a room with your buddies and could talk to them. Since a good human player is always better than the AI, it'd be great to see how many badguys you can take on at once.

I have high hopes for OFP 2. I don't think it'll ever be a rainbow 6 type CQB game, but I would like to see smoother application of indoor movement and the ability to allow teammates to go inside of buildings and clear them. It'll be interesting to see if they can make a game engine that models and entire island or chunk of land, miles across, (granted, the islands in OFP are pretty small) and yet at the same time model a small room, all without any extra load times or whatever.

With the iron sights, they should remove the magnification when using them. It makes them difficult to use at close range, as it distorts your view. If they didn't have the magnification, I'd turn of the crosshair myself. Besides, I find the crosshair to be a LOT less accurate than the sights, but it is good for snap-shooting.

Also, in OFP2, I hope they make the helicopters easier to fly. The controls as are are really tricky.

And, of course, I'd like to see more weapons. I've heard the game will have historical campaigns; this is good. You can find the friggin' M4 carbine in more than enough games now, and World War 2 has already been healthily represented in games. How about a game set in the 60s? FALs, M14s, G3s, early M16s, Stoner 63s, AR-10s?

Flashpoint
December 18, 2003, 09:55 AM
:D Sounds like a cool game :cool:

Hatchett
December 18, 2003, 11:56 AM
You can get just about any firearm for the game by downloading mods. My prefered setup is an M40A1 sniper rifle and a Colt M1911A1 (which is, while perfectly rendered, a little on the pimp-ish side, with some engraving and ivory stocks). You can get just about anything from an M14 to a Barrett to the Pulse rifle from Aliens, you just have to look.

Did I mention I also drive a 67 Mustang Shelby between objectives?

cordex
December 18, 2003, 12:42 PM
One of my favorites.

The Invasion1944 WWII mod is what I'm fooling around with right now. Very well done.

That's how I took care of that mission too. Take the tank and lay waste to the entire base. Interesting thing ... if you just wait around, they'll send in Spetz Natz to deal with you. If they fail, they'll send in a chopper. Not sure what happens after that. I killed the chopper and left.

jamz
December 18, 2003, 01:21 PM
Hmm, I'm almost done with Call of Duty (On Veteran) :D maybe I'll check this one out. For some reason, it's one game I've never picked up.

-James

cordex
December 18, 2003, 01:53 PM
jamz,
Don't expect Call of Duty graphics or physics.

Destructo6
December 18, 2003, 02:08 PM
No, the graphics are primative, but the payoff is a huge environment and great flexibility.

Make the helos easier to fly? They seem very easy to me. Maybe you need a better joystick?

The crosshairs don't bother me. They're generally useless past about 10 feet and just give you a general aiming direction.

Skunkabilly
December 19, 2003, 01:41 AM
Can you start it off in a classroom and have UN paratroopers land on the field?

Nightcrawler
December 19, 2003, 01:47 AM
Maybe you need a better joystick?

Maybe I should use a joystick, hey? I play with a keyboard and mouse, so I never really got myself a joystick.

Can you start it off in a classroom and have UN paratroopers land on the field?

Yes and no. Buildings in OFP are just objects on the map; while there are some you can go inside, there's no provision in the game for indoor combat or clearing buildings or whatnot. (I hope that in OFP2 you have the ability to order your soldiers to clear a building. I'm not expecting rainbow six, but it'd be cool.)

And, there's no mod I've found that add's UN paratroopers, though with scripting you could have the UN troops I've downloaded parachute from a helicopter or plane. (I don't know how to script that, though.)

But, what I COULD make (with my skill with the mission editor), is a mission where you're just walking or driving down the street and Soviet SPETSNAZ paratroopers begin landing around you...

Destructo6
December 19, 2003, 02:27 AM
Here's one with Canadian and Dutch UN units:

http://www.ofpnews.info/ofp/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=13&orderby=ratingA

Shouldn't be too difficult to add object "parachute", then put one of these guys in it.

Yeah, flying without a joystick would be tough. I use a Microsoft Sidewinder and find OFP helos to be very easy to fly/land/hover/etc. My earlier joystick didn't have a yaw control at all, which made things a bit rough, but this has the twist for rudder setup.

You know, I've played and uninstalled or just forgotten several games since I installed OFP, but I just keep coming back for more.

Tomac
December 19, 2003, 08:49 AM
Great game, lots of AI surprises. Ex: I sniped the driver of a truck carrying troops which brought the truck to a halt. I picked off a few of the troops that disembarked and imagine my surprise when one of the troopers from the back replaced the dead driver and started the truck moving again!
Tomac

winstonsmith
December 19, 2003, 11:19 AM
Usually during computer games, for me, the objective is to see how many guys I can kill. It's not really emotionally involving, because there is no percieved risk. Operation Flashpoint is so realistic, you find yourself (at least I did) freaking out if the russkeys reinforce, they get air support, a few BMPs come. It's terrifying. Plus in this game you can actually get pinned down. Any game where you have to dodge BMPs while some russkey tovarish is firing hundreds of rounds at you (with the correct whizzzz when it goes inches above your head) while waiting for some copter airsupport and a deuce and a half for evac is a good game.

Oh, and guys... I dont know if we're talking about the same mission, but instead of going into a tank, I searched and found a helicopter. Good times, good times.

On another note, does anyone know if they are going to release Opflash 2 for Crapintosh?

Cheers,

George Hill
December 19, 2003, 12:25 PM
Joystick with a FPS game? Heretic.

I love Flashpoint. Great game. The huge environment let's you go anywhere and do anything to complete the mission.

I always try as many different ways to complete a mission as possible. Including stealing armored vehicles and attack helicopters.
If you have not noticed, if you are on a map that has a helo base on it... that helo is still there even if your on the other side of the map. Snag a jeep, go get the bird, and bring it back to your objective for some Death From Above fun.
Sometimes you have to refuel the bird on the ground - but that just adds to it.

What's really fun is to jump into an APC and go bobsledding down a mountain with it cutting a swath through the trees and brush. (some trees you can knock over so be careful)
Any mission that has you destroying a tank... it's easier to destroy once you razed the Russain base to the ground and drive the tank to near your extraction zone and then place your satchel charge at your whim...
The best thing in the game (other than being able to snag other weapons and ammunition.... is the bullet's time of flight.
To shoot the sniper rifle at a walking or running target, you have to watch the breathing, watch the target, calculate the lead... it's very hard to do well.

I'm still waiting for the Ghost Recon/Operation Flashpoint cross.

winstonsmith
December 19, 2003, 01:35 PM
I'm still waiting for the Ghost Recon/Operation Flashpoint cross.

My god that would be awesome...

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
December 19, 2003, 02:03 PM
One of my underlings loaned me his copy of O.F./Cold War a few weeks ago. After reading this thread I decided I should quit playing Call Of Duty and load it. Looks pretty good, given the age, but I need to spend more time with it before I pronounce yea/nay on it for my part. I keep getting whacked too quickly.

At least you don't have to go through a lot of monkey motion to get to the gameplay vis-a-vis America's Army.

Regards,
Rabbit.

Destructo6
December 19, 2003, 03:32 PM
Actually, you do need to complete the first elementary missions to get accustomed to the controls and how to command your troops.

simon
December 19, 2003, 04:55 PM
Love OP Flashpoint!I've compleated it 3 times.The only thing I have trouble with is commanding a tank(T80 or M1) driven by someone else,they just don't want to go where I tell them.Usually ;) I have them disembark and take the drivers spot my self,of course, I've gotten PO'd enough that i tell them to get out and shoot them on the spot then get back in. :eek:

Nightcrawler
December 19, 2003, 05:07 PM
I don't like the tank missions much myself. The game isn't a tank simulator, really, and being the tank commander can get frustrating.

I prefer to be on foot.

MAN, those M1 tanks are tough. I hated the things playing the Red Hammer campaign. (Loved 'em in the American campaign though!)

George Hill
December 19, 2003, 07:11 PM
The TANK MISSIONS... these are some of the BEST missions in the whole game. I love them. The blend of Armor and Infantry makes OFP unique. I love the tank missions!
An M1 Abrams rolling across the battlefield is a scary scary thing!
:D

MicroBalrog
December 19, 2003, 07:18 PM
An M1 Abrams rolling across the battlefield is a scary scary thing!

Until them pesky RPG-29's start flying... or a Black Eagle shows up.:neener:

Shweboner
December 19, 2003, 08:47 PM
God bless the silly bastard that put those blue helmet fools in there...

I enjoy this game so much more now...

Nightcrawler
December 20, 2003, 12:32 AM
I probably shouldn't post this. Might get me in trouble.

Hee hee.

WARNING: Contains pixelated violence.

winstonsmith
December 20, 2003, 01:31 AM
*clap* *clap* *clap*

.http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=674438

Awesome!

Blain
December 20, 2003, 02:23 AM
Operation Flashpoint is by far the most realistic (and IMHO, enjoyable) shooter/war game there is. I think the graphics are fine, though OFP2 should be REALY impressive. The best thing about OFP is the mission editor, you can set up an endless variety of missions and real world combat situtions, from invasions, to occupations and ambushes. Since it is basically 1 shot one kill (on both sides) it really helps to give you the feel and fear of a shoot-out.

The IA, typically the most trying point of any vieo game, is very well done. Your teammates are not useless fodder, but actually fight, and fight well. The enemy can be cunning and deadly to an oblivious panicky fool (can adjust their sill level in the mission editor).

The weapons are very well done, and you can dl a endless varition of them. However, some of the weapons seem a bit under or over powered (MP5 1 shot kills at 300 yards, AR15 kills at 400+ yards). OFP2 is rumored to include jamming and weapon malfs which increase or decrease depending on field and enviormental conditons! I believe the US military actually uses an upgraded version of OFP for combat simulation? Never the less, it's a great game and deserves a try by any shooting fan.


Edit** BTW, I GOTTA DL that UN patch! :evil:

Nightcrawler
December 20, 2003, 02:25 AM
All UN stuff I found can be had from www.operationnorthstar.com.

Nightfall
December 20, 2003, 08:40 AM
Boy, you guys have got me interested in this game. I remember playing the demo a long time ago. It's been forever since I picked up a computer game. Looks like I'm gonna have some fun on the horizon! I might just pick it up today. :)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=634324

winstonsmith
December 20, 2003, 11:43 AM
Here's a picture off of the flashpoint section of codemasters.com.

http://www.codemasters.com/flashpoint2/usa/images/picture.jpg

Why the tin can (uncovered) helmet?

Destructo6
December 20, 2003, 02:08 PM
Here's a little trick to allow you to save the game anywhere you want:

left shift + keypad minus, then type "savegame". If done right, it should display the saving game message.

It will keep you from insane frustration on a couple of missions.

Nightcrawler
December 20, 2003, 08:28 PM
I've been reading the Codemasters forums about what people want in Operation Flashpoint 2.

Here's what I want.

-Better Physics in the game world. Maybe even fancy stuff like deformable terrain and such, but even with my Athlon XP2100 I can't play with the graphics cranked all the way up. All graphics improvements should be scalable.

-More movement animations that allow your character to do more stuff.

-More customizability of characters and units placed in the mission editor. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MY GUY LEFT HANDED!

-More units, weapons, worlds, etc.

-More flexibility in the mission editor. Don't have just east vs. west. Have RedFor, BlueFor, GreenFor, WhiteFor, and Civilians, and allow the mission maker to pick who is friendly or hostile to who.

Then I'd be happy. :)

iapetus
December 21, 2003, 04:05 PM
Anyone played Deus Ex?

That's got very flexible gameplay too, and all the conspiracy-theory stuff you want. (UN, FEMA, Black Helecopters, Illuminate, Area 51, Grays, the works).

Hatchett
December 21, 2003, 05:34 PM
It totally sucks what they did with Deus Ex 2. A single type of ammunition works in every weapon, from the pistol to the sniper rifle to the shotgun. All of the firearms look like they were made to be used by the Power Rangers, and it takes about six headshots with a shotgun to even provoke a reaction from the target. I was seriously dissapointed by the sequel.

George Hill
December 21, 2003, 08:11 PM
Deus Ex needs not apply.

Ghost Recon has the best user interface and graphics. OFP has the best maps missions and playability. Rogue Spear has the best weapons mods and kitting flexability. The best environment/player emersion maybe goes to Raven Shield.
My biggest beef with OFP is that there is no peeking around corners. That made some missions difficult.
Now if they can combine all these elements into OFP2 and keep and improve the tank fighting and other vehicles... they would have the BEST GAME EVER.

I don't want an UNREAL engine based game like Raven Shield is... that was usable... but not realistic enough. I want realism on all levels... indoor fighting and outdoor fighting.

Oh, and I liked the little yellow sportscar you got at the end. Very cool. But for #2, I want some motorcycles...

George Hill
December 21, 2003, 08:15 PM
Oh, and I want a game that is scary. A FPS scary like Undying. I don't like the 3rd person perspective scary games because the interface is garbage and you don't feel like your "in the game".... meaning it's not really scary.
I want a realistic and better looking Undying 2.


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