Need a inexpensive Skeet/Trap SG?


January 23, 2003, 01:53 PM
I'm mainly a pistol shooter/hunter and use my old Savage 311A 16 gauge for upland birds, but being 16 ga and M/F choked it is not really good for either trap or skeet. Can anyone recommend a low cost SG for both. This is for an informal winter league at my club. Thanks....RW:(

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Jim Watson
January 23, 2003, 02:36 PM
In general, go down to Cheap-mart and see what 12 gauge auto they have with screw chokes. Put in the improved cylinder for skeet and the modified for trap. Maybe full for trap if you are shooting the cheap promotional shells, but modified is plenty for 16 yard trap with extra light 1 ounce true target loads. I suggest you get a Meadows comb pad (Brownells has them, and most shotgun supply dealers and distributors.) that velcros on to give you a Monte carlo stock effect for the rising trap birds.

You will get a lot of recommendations for do-it-all pumps, but I am just not well enough coordinated to shuck a pump for doubles. Even a low-end O/U will be pretty expensive vs an auto.

January 23, 2003, 02:48 PM
I got a Mossberg semi auto 12ga. years ago that I take trap shooting when the mood strikes me. It was $275 NIB out the door. I'm just now getting around to shopping for something to complement it...maybe an O/U this time around. I'd look at the 'WTS' ads here, you might find that diamond in the rough or put out your own 'WTB' ad.
Good luck on your search.

January 23, 2003, 03:28 PM
A Remington 1100 is a good place to start.

Here's a link for some tips

Buy your ammo at Walmart, it's cheap.

A IC or light mod choke is fine for 16 yard trap. A skeet or IC is fine for skeet.


Try shooting some sporting clays, it's a blast

January 23, 2003, 06:26 PM
I'd personally stick with the Savage. Well you certainly are comfortable with it since you hunt with it and that's half the battle.

Plenty of people go out and shoot trap or skeet with 20ga, 28ga and 410's and have success. The chokes are bit tight for skeet but with practice that can be quickly overcome.


January 23, 2003, 06:41 PM
Another vote for a semi auto either the Remington 1100 or a Beretta 390 or 391. You might check to see if any used specimens are available. IC or looser for skeet and Modified or tighter for trap. Enjoy.

January 23, 2003, 06:45 PM
Great responses and lots to think on. In the long run it will be easier to get 12 ga trap and skeet loads than comparable loads for the 16 (do they make target loads for it?). No one at our club seems to shoot SXS shotguns and I was told I needed a single barrel/OU for the trap because it is easier than two barrels SXS. Again, I'm a rank amateur at this. I have thought about getting some "Little Skeeter" 20 ga inserts for my 16 and just going for it. Sometimes it feels like I'm getting some snob treatment when I talk about using the old 311 16 ga.....RW

Dave McCracken
January 23, 2003, 07:14 PM
RW, those that sniff at your 311 have their heads on backwards. The 311 is a great working gun, durable and well made.I suggest practicing enough to kick some Perazzi/K-gun/B-gun butt.

It's not the piano, it's the pianist that makes the music.

As for your query, any shotgunner without an 870 in his/her battery is shortchanging thermselves. Not ideal for either trap or skeet, but close enough.....

Use a Modifies for trap for starters, a skeet tube for skeet, and both along with I/C for Sporting Clays.


January 25, 2003, 11:31 PM
A great AND low cost over/under is the Baikal IZH-27. I paid $350 for mine NIB. They are a little more now. They are not pretty like the Brownings or Beretta, but are just the ticket to learn on. You can buy a whole lot of shells with what you save. I personally know about a dozen people that shoot one and no one has had a lick of trouble with them. A second alternative is a Huglu. They are "prettier" guns, and are quite inexpensive compared to their competition. Check out forums on both these makes at . The Huglu comes with 5 choke tubes and you can find O/U or autos, whatever you prefer. I can also refer you to a stocking dealer if you like.

January 27, 2003, 11:55 PM
I started both my kids out with Express 870 20 ga. Of course with all the Nintendo practice, they were quickly kickin' the old mans butt. There were lots of 25's tucked away in those 870's, and there is someting neat about being the only shucker in the squad and the only one shooting 2 at low-8.
And if the game never quite appeals to you, you have the makings of a fine HD gun for not much money.

January 29, 2003, 05:27 PM
I used to shoot trap and skeet with my SxS 20ga. Don't know what expressions others had, as I never looked :neener: I also have know idea on the chokings for the bbl's (I bought used as a poor college student)

One day I borrowed a friends 1187. Shot my best round ever (at that time) with it. My breaks were much more convincing too. Part of the diff was moving to the 12 ga, but I'm sure that alot of it was going to a single bbl profile. It made a world of difference to me!

Oh yeah, when my friends gun fancy turned into skydiving I bought it from him!

If you'll shoot alot, I'd suggest getting a good gas-operated semi. The recoil reduction is noticable. That 12 guage shoots much softer than my 20ga pump, single shot, and my old sxs.


January 29, 2003, 06:18 PM
Great responses. I'm hoping to go to the range tomorrow and try a round of skeet with my 311 16 ga SXS and possibly a round of skeet. Then maybe next week I'll take my camo Mossburg 500 12 gauge turkey/goose gun - after I pick up a couple of chokes. What chokes should I use for this gun for skeet and trap? Then if I really like it I'll save my pennies and either get an Auto or O/U.


Dave McCracken
January 30, 2003, 05:34 AM
For trap, use Modified, Improved Modified, Full or Extra Full.

For Skeet, try Cylinder, Improved Cylinder or Skeet.


January 30, 2003, 05:50 PM
Thanks Dave, I have a modified and extra full choke for the Mossberg, but will pick up a improved cylinder or skeet choke for skeet. I might just try the Savage 311 16 ga for the trap as it is choked full/modified.

Dave McCracken
January 31, 2003, 04:47 AM
Shooting trap with your 311 probably won't get you to the Grand, but it'll be loads of fun and good practice. Enjoy...

January 31, 2003, 04:00 PM
this is my first time posting a message, hope it looks okay. a few years ago i bought a ruger red label, 28" in 20 gauge. I just love it! have done a lot of pheasant, and sharptail hunting with it. last year have shot a lot of skeet. it comes to the shoulder well, and is a wonderful shotgun. couldn't be happier.

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