If you could only have THREE


Brass Balls
December 18, 2003, 11:27 AM
If you could only have three guns on your carry permit what would they be?

btw I realize that this isn't a restriction in many other states and that I should move from this commie infested armpit of a state and how we'd all be better off if CA slid into the ocean etc etc etc. If that's what you want to comment on, save your breath, I've heard it a thousand times.

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Kentucky Rifle
December 18, 2003, 11:33 AM
Are there places where your CCW places limits like that on you?


December 18, 2003, 11:36 AM
Such questions demonstrate a fundamental flaw: acceptance of tyrrany.

If your limit is just 3, then "it's time".

December 18, 2003, 11:39 AM
If your limit is just 3, then "it's time".

Time for what? More talking?



December 18, 2003, 12:03 PM
I think it's time to pick three.

Brass Balls
December 18, 2003, 12:08 PM
Are there places where your CCW places limits like that on you?

Yes that's the rules here where I live. It actually isn't a state law that places the limits but rather it is often imposed by the counties or cities. I think that the reason that the number three is most often mandated is because that's how many lines are on the permit (good reason, huh?). Each gun's make model and serial number is listed on the permit. I have a friend that lives nearby but got his permit through a different LE agency and he is limited to one gun on his permit!

The only consolation is that if you can obtain a CCW permit in CA there are very few restrictions on where you can carry. For instance we can carry in bars, schools, banks, sporting events and I've never seen a business with no carry signage posted.

So what three would you choose?

December 18, 2003, 12:09 PM
Well, if a limit of three weapons on your CCW is time for a rebellion, how long will it be until our friends in California secede? If I'm not mistaken, there are other states that mandate a limit of weapons authorized on a CCW (NY comes to mind)?

If I had the misfortune to live in a state such as this, my choices would be: S&W 686, RIA 1911A1, and P32 (the only three handguns I own that are appropriate for CCW). Come to think of it, if I could have any three weapons of my choosing, the only difference would be trading the Rock Island for a Para-Ordnance P14-45 LDA Limited.


J Miller
December 18, 2003, 12:18 PM
I live in IL. We cannot cary concealed under any circumstances. And we can't carry open either, except for some verry narrow hunting situations.
No there is no rebellion, no mass exodus, the sheeple, big city dwellers, and FARMERS like it that way.
How else can you explain how the corrupt Daley and his puppets keep getting elected?

I however am close to leaving this stinkin place, just a little more waiting...
........then it's :neener: IL.

Ky Larry
December 18, 2003, 12:24 PM
Time for what? More talking?

No, it's not time for more talking. It's time for a liberal coating of tar and feathers for our Liberal government officials. :D

Brass Balls
December 18, 2003, 12:33 PM
C'mon be more helpful, dammit! :cuss:

j/k :p

Of course I'd rather not be restricted to three guns but is it really a good idea to carry more than three different guns anyway? It seems to me like it's best to stick with one gun as much as possible. Then that gun is very familiar because you practice with it often.

December 18, 2003, 12:33 PM
One mid size Glock in 9mm or .40

One full size 1911 in either .45 or 10mm (or .40 if its a doublestack)

One compact 1911 in .45

That covers all my needs and/or weather conditions.

December 18, 2003, 12:48 PM
1) Some kind of .357 snubby for my anytime gun. I'm not too picky but a Smith, Ruger or older Colt come to mind. I really do consider the snub nosed .38/.357 to be the best civillian carry firearm ever created.

2) SIG P239 in .40 because it is so comfortable, easy to conceal and shoots like a full size. I can also convert it to .357SIG should the whim grab hold of me. Grip choices are pretty numerous and it comes in an alloy/stainless steal model.

3)SIG P220 for those heavy coat winter days or days when carrying a full size .45 just seems right. All stainless for me. Big gun, lots of weight but supremely accurate, very imposing looking and darn it my favorite autochucker of all time.


December 18, 2003, 12:52 PM
Ya know I just realized that if SIG made a nice snub nosed revolver I would be happier than a pig in slop.:D :neener:

One of the resident SIG-A-HOLICS has spoken.

December 18, 2003, 12:55 PM
Well, if I had to pick from the guns I currently own I'd have to say:

Kimber Pro Carry
Kel-Tec P-11
Kel-Tec P-32

That would cover about any scenario I can think of pistolwise.


December 18, 2003, 12:58 PM
1) Glock 27

2) Kahr MK-9

3) Seecamp .32

December 18, 2003, 01:10 PM

Glock 19


Brian Williams
December 18, 2003, 01:26 PM
S&W 940 in 9mm or equilivalent
S&W 13 in 357
1911 sistema

Honorable mention Glock 19 and S&W 586

December 18, 2003, 01:38 PM
NAA Guardian .32

S&W 640 .357 Centennial

Glock 23 (40S&W)

December 18, 2003, 01:42 PM
If you're limited to three...I don't care so much about the weapons themselves as the size of the weapons to which you're limited. I'd go with large, medium and small to meet the seasonal or dress changes you'll need to face.

Full Size: A full size 1911 variant that's been tuned by a good smith and fired a few hundred times or a Glock 17.

Medium Size: A Glock 19, hard to beat the blend of size and capacity here.

Small Size: A Glock 26 or a snubby revolver of your choice in .357, or a PPK/s or Sig 232, or one of the mini Kahrs, or whatever else floats your boat.

December 18, 2003, 01:46 PM
I live in a quiet town; don't expect to need "knock 'em-ALL-down-again-and-again" power, (and my thinking may be skewed, but I'll stand by my choices and ranking) so in order of preference:

Browning HiPower (w/ 13rd mag)
Kimber Ultra Ten II
Wilson KZ-45c

If I was still in Oakland, CA, the list would be:

Wilson KZ-45 (full-sized)
Kimber UT II
BHP (w/ 17rd mag)

December 18, 2003, 02:00 PM
1. Snub Nose Revolver
2. Decent-sized Auto of your choice.
3. Mousegun when you can't carry the other 2.

I agree that most people probably don't need over 3 carry guns. But why should we have ANY set limit?

Suppose my Mousegun breaks. My dealer has a REAL deal on a used Kel-tec P32. I guess I am not allowed to buy this gun and use it as a CCW until I get my original mouse gun back from the factory :what: ?????

Just sounds like needless red tape and restriction to me... but then I really don't know the details I guess.


Ala Dan
December 18, 2003, 02:10 PM
Another SIG-A-HOLIC checking in; with my three choices:

a) Mouse gun = NAA .22 magnum with 1-1/8" barrel.

b) Snub nose revolver = Smith & Wesson "old model 60"
in .38 Special with 2" pinned barrel and "R" serial prefix.

c) Ah yes! :D My all time favorite, a West German SIG-
SAUER P220A in .45ACP.

d) Waiting in the wing's, :uhoh: another West German SIG-
SAUER, P228 9m/m; complete with high cap's. ;)

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

December 18, 2003, 02:10 PM
1. 1911 .45ACP (Wilson CQB, Kimber TLE/RL, or Springfield TRP)
2. S&W .38Special Airlight

Don't know about the 3rd...

But of course, I live in Riverside County, California, so I'd take any 3 I could get at this point.

December 18, 2003, 02:52 PM
357/38 snubby
9mm auto(glock26 or similar in size)
small 45(maybe one of those LDA deals)

December 18, 2003, 03:19 PM
1. Colt 1991A1 Cause ya just gotta have one!

2. Ruger P95 9mm Bulletproof and indestructable, never fails

3. Bersa Thunder 380 Cause it's small, light, and easy to carry

(now if I could only figure out how to carry all three at once without being too obvious)

December 18, 2003, 03:26 PM
I've thought about this myself & of the guns I presently own, I'd list: USPc 9, S&W mod 60 & I don't know yet for the 3rd, but these two would be carried 99% of the time anyway.
What guns do you already own? Do you plan to purchase the 3 you decide on?

Dave R
December 18, 2003, 03:34 PM
I'll throw in with the full size/mid size/pocket crowd.

1) Full size: 1911, or 10mm, (or 10mm 1911!) or .357 Mag with 4" barrel.

2) Mid size: P-11, or Kahr, or mini-Glock in 9mm or .40, or .357 snubby (SP-101 or S&W Mod 60)

3) pocket pistol for backup or deep concealment. P-32, P-3AT, or Rorbaugh. Or Seecamp, NAA Guardian, etc.

Mark Tyson
December 18, 2003, 03:36 PM
Sig P245

Taurus Model 650 CIA

S&W 696

December 18, 2003, 03:42 PM
Full size 1911 style
Commander size 1911 style
K Frame with 3" bbl

December 18, 2003, 04:42 PM
I would have a small, medium, and large pistol.

Going on what I have, a NAA mini revolver
My Makarov
My .45 (I have a Night Officer and a full size-I can put the small upper on the full size to make it more compact)

Small-Keltec, Tomcat, Seecamp

Medium- S&W Airweight, etc, Makarov, Glock compact

Full size-1911, full framed Glock, Sig, etc.

Have all of your bases covered.

Kentucky Rifle
December 18, 2003, 04:59 PM
OK. I thought about your question as I cleaned and arranged the top two shelves
of my safe. It was difficult to pick, but this is what I came up with:

1) Seecamp
2) Glock 27
3) S&W 642 Airweight +P .38 Special
I'd be REAL unhappy if these three were "it". I've been toting a new Kahr PM9 for the last couple of weeks and ~I LIKE it. To say nothing of the S&W AirLite Ti .32 H&R Mag snubbie I like to carry in an ankle holster so much.
I feel a vague anger right now.:mad: It's nobodies business how I spend my money or what I choose to carry. I'm sorry that you live in a place where someone thinks they have a right to stick their nose in your gun safe. As a matter of fact ~I've got their nose...right here!

(Sheesh--I'm turning into a crotchity
ol' man. I kinda like it. Fits.)

December 18, 2003, 05:09 PM
If it has to be on the approved list of handguns, that eliminates all but a few pre-list Kel Tecs. Guess you'll be stuck with something heavy to lug around in the Summer.

Kentucky Rifle
December 18, 2003, 05:28 PM
Did you ever stop by Tilford's on the way back to E-Town and pick up a P-32? I was out there last weekend and there were new (and colorful) P-32's in the showcase.


Brass Balls
December 18, 2003, 07:32 PM
I am thinking in similar patterns to many of you. Going with a small, medium and large gun covers the bases pretty well. I'm comfortable with either the large or medium as a full time gun if either one or the other were to develop a problem that temporarily put them out of action.

For large I have a few Gov't size 1911s but am leaning towards a Custom CDP II because it's aluminum frame makes it about 7 ounces lighter than the others.

For medium size and continuity of operation I like the Compact CDP II. Although a midsize Glock could fill this role nicely as well.

For small I'd have to go with my Kahr PM9. I know there are smaller pistols available but none of them, aside from the two shot derringers, shoot a 9mm or better cartridge. I'm currently using a Kahr MK40 as my small gun but the PM9 is a full 9 ounces lighter which I find to make a big difference for pocket or ankle carry.

It's kind of a PITA to change the guns on one's permit around here and not the thing I'd like to do often so I want to really think it over before making the change.

Thanks for all of the great suggestions so far!

December 19, 2003, 02:15 PM
Kentucky Rifle,

I have been meaning to go by Tilfords for about a year and a half now. It seemed like I was never there when they were open. I lost my job about 6 months ago and didn't go anywhere for awhile. Needless to say, my gun purchasing went on hold for awhile. So did my posting here for the most part.

I used to drive by Tilforsd's about 7 PM during the week sometimes and they were always closed. Never got there on the weekends. I Finally got a new position in East Louisville. A long dry spell that I would have never expected in a million years. Fortunately, I had some rainy day money so it wasn't too bad, but the uncertainty was no picnic. Thought of going back to the PRK of all places!

Anyway, shortly after I got the job offer where I am now, I was browsing at E-Town Gun and saw a P-3AT. I waffled initially but went back to buy it the next day. Turned out I bought it 10 seconds before someone else came in asking for one. The shop owner got on the phone to locate one for this person and found out it would take 3 to 4 weeks.

I felt lucky to get it. I'm glad I waited for the .380. I already have a .32 Tomcat and I really wanted a little more power in a carry gun. Not sure if it matters that much but I feel better carrying a .380. I work in an environment that calls for tucked in shirt, dress pants, and ties sometimes. A pocket carry piece is what I needed.

I thought I would be happier with a hard chrome model (which doesn't exist yet in the .380) but now that I've had it awhile I like the black (blue) finish. I figure I can send it back to Kel Tec later for the chrome finish if I change my mind once they start offering them.

I think about going to Tilfords quite often. When I see your posts about a new gun I think you probably went there and got a great deal.

I hope to be moving up to Louisville permanently in 2004. Based on your recommendation, I have to go to Tilfords. Just when, I can't predict but I hope soon.

Merry Christmas to you.


Kentucky Rifle
December 19, 2003, 03:53 PM
But I think you'll like that .380 more than the .32 model. To me, it seems like .380's would always chamber smoother because they're "rimless". No "rimlock" worries. Plus a little more power. I like .380's. Just had a look at my Colt Mustang Pocketlite a few minutes ago. Fine little pistol. I keep it stoked with RBCD's. 1500FPS/283FtLbs. And these are the old ones! Maybe Jeff OTMG will log on and say what the new ones do.

(Where in the "East end"?)

December 19, 2003, 04:25 PM
Hi Will,

I'm near Hurstbourne and Shelbyville. Still finding my way around. I used to get lost in my home town in the PRK after living there for 30+ years so not unusual. Quite the commute from down south but I hope make a move closer soon. It's still hard to get used to the rain and snow. Never did much of either in Cali.

I haven't shot the .380 yet. Sure hope it works. If you read about a guy being shot because his Kel Tec didn't work, think of me. I'm sure it will be fine. If it didn't work, I guess I wouldn't have to worry about the County Attorney putting the screws to me!


December 19, 2003, 04:38 PM
It would either be the Bersa FireStorm in .380 or the Combat Commander. I sure do love my Colt.:D The third choice would be my Charter Arms Off Duty (Undercover in stainless). I had the hammer bobbed, so it's ideal for concealment and un-concealment without a snag:)

A good wheel gun is a must

December 19, 2003, 05:02 PM

A little lightweight one like a titanium .38 for ankle carry

A Sig 228 or Walther P99 for hip carry

A .44mag revolver for shoulder carry and hunting.

That mix should cover most situations and needs.

December 19, 2003, 05:11 PM
If I ever come up with an acceptable reason to convince the local LE Chief(that's how it goes in CA), I'd have to wear a trench coat so that I could conceal a bug(S&W 60), medium(S&W Shorty-Forty), and for the SHTF, a Desert Eagle in .50 AE:evil:

December 19, 2003, 07:22 PM
At this point it would have to be:

Glock 30
Keltec P11
Keltec P32

There are a few more which could make the cut but, they are sort of redundant.

Fortunately for us Tennesseeans, the permit does not stipulate any number of guns so...............let 'er rip!

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