Two dead in North Dallas shootout -home invasion gone bad?


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Sylvilagus Aquaticus
January 23, 2003, 03:13 PM
(Edited- corrected subject to "gone the right way" from "bad")S.A.

From http://www.wfaa.com

Found this making the news this morning here in Dallas. I wonder if there's more to it than meets the eye. One of the BG's was reported as wearing a latex glove. Home invasion burglary in a gated community? I wonder just how folks feel about their association fees and on-site security now at 0900, let alone 0100.

Regards,
Rabbit.


Two dead in North Dallas shootout
01/23/2003

By TANYA EISERER / The Dallas Morning News


A Far North Dallas resident shot and killed two would-be burglars in a gated community in Far North Dallas on Thursday morning, according to police.

A 29-year-old man called 911 shortly after 9 a.m. to report hearing someone breaking in through the side door of his townhouse in the 15800 block of Knoll Trail Drive just off the Dallas North Tollway. The resident, who has not been identified, was home with his wife and children at the time.

Police Sgt. Ken Sprecher said the resident confronted a man in the living room, and the man opened fire.

The resident retreated into his bedroom, got a handgun and returned fire. The resident was shot in the shoulder and arm and was taken to Parkland Memorial Hospital, where he was treated and released.

One man was dead inside the residence, and a second was found dead near a hedge outside the complex, called Kensington Square. The dead man outside was wearing a red vest, jeans and black boots and had a latex glove on one hand. Another glove lay nearby, and a handgun was lying about 15 feet away.

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Police said they are looking for a possible third suspect who left the scene in a car. The dead men have not yet been identified.

E-mail: teiserer@dallasnews.com

Watch WFAA-TV (Channel 8) for updates on this story throughout the day, and read more in Friday's Dallas Morning News


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Sven
January 23, 2003, 03:42 PM
Good guys: two points
Bad guys: six feet under

denfoote
January 23, 2003, 03:49 PM
Two scumbags caught taking a dirt nap!! This is a good thing!! :D

Bostonterrier97
January 23, 2003, 04:06 PM
Wow! That is only 5 miles from my Aunt's house.

Yohan
January 23, 2003, 04:12 PM
I hope the family of the burglars don't sue :(

Slotback
January 23, 2003, 04:23 PM
This is more like home invasion gone right-for the homeowner.

Beer for my Horses
January 23, 2003, 05:05 PM
home invasion gone bad?
Do they ever go "good"?????? :confused:

Chipperman
January 23, 2003, 05:42 PM
The families of the dead men should sue the latex glove makers! It obviously threw off the BG's aim.
:evil:

thumbtack
January 23, 2003, 06:17 PM
I hope the family of the burglars don't sue

I don't think there is a jury in Texas that would award their family a dollar after they shot him first. If this was to go to court and the judge did not throw this case out then he should be shot.

spacemanspiff
January 23, 2003, 06:24 PM
lets see, a gated community, resided in by texans that are almost always armed, and 2-possibly 3 criminals thinking they can get away with commiting crimes there?

where did these criminals come from? certainly not texans, thats for dang sure.

*one more reason to not take off the holster when arriving at home.*

HS/LD
January 23, 2003, 06:28 PM
See good things do happen! :)


HS/LD

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
January 23, 2003, 06:45 PM
No telling, spiffy....maybe they took a wrong turn at Albuquerque and thought it was Australia. The area of town where this took place is affluent, not far from the high-tech corridors of the area. Just a few miles from where I live. I can't wait to see the 2200 news reports on it. I bet there is a lot of explaining to do to the homeowner's association and vice-versa. At least the homeowner was treated and released from his wounds, which would indicate a superficiality. I imagine the Oshman's just south of ther is going to be busy selling ammo and such this evening well into next week.

This sort of thing has been rare in this end of town, but it sure looks to me like it moved north in spite of all best efforts. I've been seeing a few more 'crime alert' yard signs posted in the neighborhoods of North Dallas and Richardson over the last month or two (been house-hunting and I notice such things). I guess we're going to see another little spike in Texas CHL applications this month too.

As for me, the last place I'd want to live is inside a gated, walled community. Comanches haven't been a problem in north central Texas for 100 years. Feels too much like living in a pen if you ask me. False security...it sure looks like they left the gate standing wide open for these jackals to cruise right on in. Too bad they don't require keycard or PIN access to get OUT.

Regards,
Rabbit.

Blackhawk
January 23, 2003, 07:08 PM
"Don't mess with Texas."

Ed Brunner
January 23, 2003, 07:30 PM
:neener:

BerettaNut92
January 23, 2003, 07:47 PM
Hope his shoulder is better.

jmbg29
January 23, 2003, 07:50 PM
Two dead in North Dallas shootout -home invasion gone bad?Sounds like, all things being equal, that it went exceedingly well. Unless we were supposed to be rooting for the bad guys?!? :uhoh: :confused:

cobb
January 23, 2003, 07:51 PM
These idiots where maybe from Minnesota and just jumped on I-90 and headed south to get away from our seasonal weather that hits in January. In Minnesota these idiots would have gotten away with what they planned, and if not, the home owner would had been at fault. :fire:
In this case, they probably where really surprized because this most likely wouldn't of happen to them in Minnesota. :fire:

El Rojo
January 23, 2003, 08:37 PM
Why go to investigate without a handgun?

4v50 Gary
January 23, 2003, 08:43 PM
Don't you just love stories with happy endings?

Kudos to the man who defended himself, his wife & child and his home.

King
January 23, 2003, 09:02 PM
And the gene pool gets cleaner by 2.

Like Blackhawk mentioned, "Don't Mess With Texas (or Texans)".

I won't lose any sleep over those two thugs.

Standing Wolf
January 23, 2003, 09:47 PM
I like stories with happy endings.

The Plainsman
January 23, 2003, 10:32 PM
Cobb, if those guys got from Minnesota to Texas via I-90, it's no wonder they were screwed up. Shootin' them was probably the kindest thing you could do for them. :D

Hardtarget
January 23, 2003, 10:49 PM
El Rojo, you've hit the nail on the head! Any "bump in the night" get a visit from me... my .45 in one hand, a good light in the other...wifey ready to call the police. I don't trust anything any moore...even the cat walks softly.
Mark.

Robby from Long Island
January 23, 2003, 11:35 PM
Hey Cobb,

Are you trying to say the BG's from Minnesota are as stupid as the BG's from New York? I personally take great offense when you indicate that.

We pride ourselves on breeding the dumbest, stupidest and least motivated type of criminal behaviour that society demands. I don't think Minnesota has that type of budget.

What does surprise me is that one of the morons got away. You might be right.......they might be from Minnesota:D

Drizzt
January 24, 2003, 12:03 AM
Resident kills 2 intruders
Man probably won't face charges in home shootout

01/24/2003

By TANYA EISERER and JENNIFER EMILY / The Dallas Morning News

A Far North Dallas man who shot and killed two would-be burglars Thursday morning probably will not face charges, according to Dallas police and legal experts.

About 9 a.m. Thursday, the 29-year-old man was at home with his wife and three young children when a man knocked on the side door and asked for someone the resident did not know, police said.

One or both suspects then forced their way into the apartment, shooting the resident once in the arm, police said. The resident retreated to his bedroom, retrieved a gun, and a shootout ensued in the living room on Knoll Trail Drive near the Dallas North Tollway, police said.

"The preliminary investigation has determined that the homeowner apparently was justified in using deadly force in shooting the two intruders," said Sgt. Ken Sprecher, a homicide unit supervisor. "The investigation will continue, and the cases will be referred to the grand jury."

Legal experts said that because the resident returned fire to protect life and property, he probably won't face criminal charges.

"In Texas, we maximize the idea of your home is your castle, and if intruders break in, they do so at their own peril," said Jerry Dowling, a criminal law professor at Sam Houston State University.

Police did not release the name of the resident Thursday. They said the intruders who were killed had not been identified.

Dallas County First Assistant District Attorney Mike Carnes said the county handles such incidents on a case-by-case basis.

Other states allow homeowners to use deadly force as a last resort – "when your back is to the wall," Mr. Dowling said.

A law professor for more than 30 years, Mr. Dowling said he never heard of district attorneys prosecuting a homeowner for defending property inside a residence.

Most often, he said, the district attorney will refer the cases to grand juries to serve as the "conscience of the community."

Grand juries typically decline to indict the homeowners, he said.

Dallas police say both intruders were shot inside the apartment Thursday. The resident, who is a business owner, was treated at Parkland Memorial Hospital and released.

One man was killed inside the residence, and the second man was found dead near a hedge outside the Kensington Square complex.

The dead man outside was wearing a red vest, jeans and black boots and had a latex glove on one hand. A gun was near his body, which remained uncovered for at least an hour until the medical examiner and crime scene investigators could arrive and collect evidence. Dallas police said that their first priority is to gather evidence before disturbing the crime scene and that it's rare for a body to be in public view.

Witnesses reported seeing a third man leaving in a large dark four-door vehicle, possibly a Cadillac.

The resident and his wife told authorities Thursday afternoon that they did not know the intruders, Sgt. Sprecher said.

Mike Tennis, 24, who was in the next-door condominium when the shooting occurred, said he was rattled by the gunbattle at what he thought was a secure community in a relatively safe neighborhood.

"They said it was a break-in," Mr. Tennis said. "I'm planning to move to another section of the complex. I would never have moved here if I thought this could happen. It's a beautiful area. It just proves this can happen anywhere."

Justifiable homicides aren't included in the year-end tallies that law enforcement agencies report to the state and FBI, so data aren't readily available, Mr. Dowling said. Most examples are anecdotal. Dallas police said they don't track such data.

Homeowners cleared of criminal wrongdoing by a grand jury could face lawsuits, Mr. Dowling said.

"The standard in criminal law is what the individual perceives," he said. "But the civil standard is more what the reasonable person would do. A reasonable person may act a bit differently than what the individual would have done."

http://www.dallasnews.com/localnews/stories/012403dnmetshooting.646c6.html

HS/LD
January 24, 2003, 12:14 AM
Shouldn't the title of the thread be:

Home Invasion went GOOD!:D

instead of Home Invasion went Bad:mad:

I hope the homeowner makes a full recovery.

Regards,
HS/LD

Sisco
January 24, 2003, 12:27 AM
I'd say that was a home invasion gone good, if there is such a thing.
A home invasion gone bad is like the one that happened here a few weeks ago. Four armed men came through the front door of a house, tied up the residents. A 20ish male resident made a break for it, didn't get to the back door before he was fatally wounded. Rest of the family got out the front door to safety while the BG's weren't watching.
All four have been arrested and are awaiting trial.

waterdog
January 24, 2003, 12:48 AM
Definitely gone good.

A journalist must have titled this story.

waterdog

Poohgyrr
January 24, 2003, 02:03 AM
Darwin was right. I'll let my Sweetheart (wife) know about this. She's from TX and her Mom still lives there.

Best wishes to the Good Guy and Family.

cobb
January 24, 2003, 07:26 AM
I guess I'm not the sharpest knife in the draw either, I should have said I-35, not I-90. :rolleyes:

jrhines
January 24, 2003, 09:03 AM
From the newspaper-
Mike Tennis, 24, who was in the next-door condominium when the shooting occurred, said he was rattled by the gunbattle at what he thought was a secure community in a relatively safe neighborhood.

"They said it was a break-in," Mr. Tennis said. "I'm planning to move to another section of the complex. I would never have moved here if I thought this could happen. It's a beautiful area. It just proves this can happen anywhere."

Glad to have Mike aboard planet Earth!...

J.Rhines
Seneca "It can happen here", Md

Joe Demko
January 24, 2003, 09:34 AM
All well and good and happy if everything is exactly as reported with no "rest of the story." However...it is my understanding that most home invasions aren't simply random events. The invaders choose their targets deliberately because there is something in that home they desire. Thus, the victims of home invasions are not infrequently rather unsavory characters themselves. They get invaded because they have (or are suspected to have) large amounts of cash or drugs or other valuables on hand. Of course, even criminals have a right to self-defense from other criminals. Not saying this guy is dirty, mind you, I'm just curious about the possible details.

seeker_two
January 24, 2003, 10:27 AM
:D

Azrael256
January 24, 2003, 11:56 AM
Heh... my dad used to live there. The ladies in the leasing office are very attractive, in case anybody is wondering.

I find it very odd that this type of event would happen in that complex. I know crime happens everywhere, but that complex is pretty close to the last place I would choose to go kicking in doors. Access is rather heavily controlled, and there is really only one way to get in or out, so escape would not be easy. I'm with Golgo-13 on this one. They knew their target. Drugs are a possibility, however, considering the types of people I met while my dad lived there, I would say that some other type of valuable item is more likely, but it's pure speculation.

spacemanspiff
January 24, 2003, 12:37 PM
"I'm planning to move to another section of the complex. I would never have moved here if I thought this could happen. It's a beautiful area. It just proves this can happen anywhere."

so moving to another section of the complex is going to make Mr Tennis safer from crime? or moving away from the armed resident will make him safer from an armed citizen as a neighbor?

dont tell me someone let one of the sheeple move into texas....

Poohgyrr
January 24, 2003, 12:59 PM
Around here, home invasions often involve a relatively good decent family who have a kid, cousin, or what have you family member that is a thug.

This thug has inside knowledge and knows they have something valuable. He recruits other thugs to do the actual home invasion while he sits in the get away car outside. These invasions get pretty nasty at times and it may be up to you to stop it cold to save your family. A couple have been stopped by the Cops because a smart family member was able to run to a neighbors for help right when the whole thing started.

WilderBill
January 24, 2003, 01:48 PM
:)

JohnKSa
January 25, 2003, 01:04 AM
I live in the DFW Metroplex (where this shooting happened) and today and yesterday, my wife and I spent approximately 4 to 5 combined hours in cars driving to and from work with the radios on.

She also listens to the radio at work and this morning she watched the TV news as she got ready for work.

When I asked her if she had heard about this shooting this evening, she said she hadn't. I haven't heard a peep either, other than on this forum.

So, here's my question. A few years back, some worthless scum beat his grandparents with a baseball bat, killing his grandmother and leaving his grandfather for dead. He was convicted and is scheduled to assume room temperature in a day or two. Why is his execution news for a week before the expiration date while two home invaders given the permanent dirt nap by a citizen doesn't even rate a mention on local radio--and nothing on TV news after the "live broadcast?"

Very irritating...

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
January 25, 2003, 01:40 AM
John, it's been a very popular subject on the afternoon and evening shows on KYNG 105.3 for the last 2 days. I don't know what you think about the station, but they are VERY pro-gun. It's of course a 'hot talk' format, but Russ Martin and Ken Goldberg have been all over the subject.

Russ Martin 3-7p
http://www.russmartin.com

Ken Goldberg
http://www.law-disorder.com

KYNG
http://www.kyng.com

Ken is an attorney and former owner of the DFW Gun Range on Mockingbird. He taught part of the CHL class I took. He's a nice enough guy, but he can be a little hard to take in larger doses. Russ, of course, is everyone's favorite 40 year old going on 15.

Ken carries a Kimber, Russ a Glock. IIRC, everyone involved with Russ's show carries daily.

Regards,
Rabbit.

12-34hom
January 25, 2003, 04:49 AM
I love it when a plan comes together.

12-34hom.

Drizzt
January 25, 2003, 08:43 PM
Suspect on the lam makes family uneasy
01/25/2003

By JENNIFER EMILY / The Dallas Morning News


The Gomez family spent the day Friday in its SUV and the night in a motel. The family is afraid to return to its Far North Dallas home.

Jorge Gomez, 29, shot and killed two intruders Thursday morning after they kicked down the door and shot him in the shoulder. A third person, possibly a teenager, escaped in a black Cadillac. The same car may have followed Mr. Gomez's wife, Gaby, home the previous night after she picked up their children at the family's stereo business, Mr. and Mrs. Gomez said.

Mr. Gomez said he's worried about his family's future but knows he defended himself, his wife and children the only way he could.

"What can I do? It was my family," Mr. Gomez said. "I would do anything to protect them. ... I'm a little bit scared. I don't know who these people are."

Police said Mr. Gomez probably would not face criminal charges, although the case will be referred to a Dallas County grand jury.

Mrs. Gomez and their three children – ages 3, 2, and 8 months – spent Friday playing, sleeping and eating inside the SUV, and Mr. Gomez was careful to keep an eye on them.

"We're scared," Mrs. Gomez said as her youngest slept and the other two ate the unusual treat of fast food for lunch. "We'll be fine."

The Gomezes say they will live indefinitely in a motel until they feel comfortable going home or the third person is caught. They fear he might return to their apartment on Knoll Trail Drive near the Dallas North Tollway. Their home also reminds them of death and that they – not the intruders – could have died.

The man who died inside the apartment was identified Friday as 28-year-old Alex Quinones of Dallas. The intruder who died outside was identified as Carlos Ivan Boya, 23.

Mr. Quinones was most recently arrested by Dallas police on a kidnapping charge after he kicked down the door of a residence and dragged his ex-wife by her hair to his blue Jaguar.

In 1992, Mr. Quinones was found guilty of unauthorized use of a motor vehicle. His probation was revoked in 1993, and he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. He pleaded guilty in 1992 to a possession of marijuana charge. On the day of the shooting, Mr. Quinones was free on $15,000 bail on the kidnapping charge.

Mr. Boya had no previous criminal citations, state records show.

Dallas homicide Sgt. Ross Salverino said Friday that police were searching for the third suspect. He also said investigators were looking into whether the men could be connected to other crimes.

A teenager knocked on a side door of the apartment about 9 a.m. and asked for "Juan," Mr. Gomez said. As he was telling the boy he had the wrong apartment, two men approached. He saw one had a gun, so he shut and locked the door, which opened into his children's bedroom.

As he ran to the master bedroom for his own gun, one of the men shot through the door and kicked it in. The bullet struck Mr. Gomez in the left shoulder.

"My wife and kids were in the [master] bedroom. My wife tried to go out, but I yelled, 'Go inside the room. Go inside the room. Take the kids.' "

Mrs. Gomez said she huddled with the children in a corner of the bedroom as she listened to the gunshots.

Her husband said he grabbed the gun and fired until he ran out of bullets. He said Mr. Quinones fell to the floor, and Mr. Boya briefly tried to help him before running out the door.

Mr. Gomez said he put another clip in the gun and followed. The man was face down in the grass when Mr. Gomez came outside.

He and his wife said they saw a black Cadillac – possibly the same one that followed Mrs. Gomez – drive away with the third suspect behind the wheel. Mr. Gomez tried to shoot the tires and get a license plate number but was unsuccessful, his wife said.

The family had planned to buy a house in the area but now may return to Roma in South Texas instead, Mr. Gomez said. They have lived in Dallas for four years.

The couple's 8-month-old daughter and 2-year-old son don't understand what happened, but their oldest daughter is scared, her father said.

"She asked, 'Who killed you, Poppy?' " Mr. Gomez said inside his stereo business, keeping constant watch on his family in the SUV outside. "I say, 'Nobody killed me, mi hija.' I try to tell her it's fine."

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