Galil: the *other* Evil Black Rifle


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WardenWolf
November 2, 2010, 06:26 PM
Well, about 10 days ago I visited J&G Sales and picked up a Golani rifle. The Golani is an accurate clone of IMI's Galil. I'm very impressed with the build quality of this rifle. It's got a milled receiver and practically all-new components. The trigger is a Tapco G2 double-hook trigger group. It shoots very well and is very accurate. Just a nice rifle overall, with phenomenal build quality.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/WardenWolf_1982/GolaniSmall.jpg

The only problem I had with this rifle was the original magazine, which was surplus and completely worn out. Fortunately, Tapco magazines are only $13.50, and work very well. I may be installing an AR-15 mag adapter in the future.

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philpost
November 2, 2010, 07:07 PM
Sweet looking rifle!

Hammerhead6814
November 2, 2010, 08:36 PM
*Jedi Mind Trick

You will convert to AR-15 magazines.

52grain
November 2, 2010, 08:44 PM
Pure evil. All that's missing is the bayonet lug.

HPJeep
November 2, 2010, 11:03 PM
I was always scared of Century's quality issues which kept me from buying a Golani. Glad to hear yours is a nice example. Might have to reconsider.

WardenWolf
November 2, 2010, 11:14 PM
J&G recently got a new shipment. I handled mine before I bought it. Rock solid. Just expect to replace the magazine.

InkEd
November 2, 2010, 11:36 PM
I will advice you to inspect one before buying it. I have seen them be anywhere from decent to garbage. I am glad you found a good one. Sorry about the magazine being junk.

GunTech
November 2, 2010, 11:37 PM
I have an early gun, a replacement after the first ORF receivers were recalled for being out of spec. Century was great to deal with and sent me a replacement which has been a great rifle.

I did find the original Orlites were tight in the rifle, and had to open up the mag well slightly to accommodate them, and also accept the the M16 mag adapter. I believe this was fixed in later versions.

Here's the area to check if Orlites are tight. A small touch with an end mill fixed it.

http://guntech.com/galil/golani-5.jpg

Final guise:

http://guntech.com/galil/golani_fastfire-1.jpg

BTW, I have seen these rifles for under $600, which is a great price for this under appreciated rifle, considering what the IMI originals go for.

WardenWolf
November 2, 2010, 11:50 PM
I got mine for $620 after tax. The receiver milling is VERY good. Whoever they're using now for their receivers does a top-notch job. My receiver should have no issues with the Orlites (granted, who needs to source them when Tapco Galil mags are $13.50?). Yours looks like a cast receiver, GunTech, at least from what I can see.

Here's my magazine well, and you can see the milling; it's a little dirty. Still haven't cleaned it:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/WardenWolf_1982/GalilMagwell.jpg

GunTech, where'd you get the railed gas tube?

GunTech
November 3, 2010, 12:15 AM
Mine has an ORF milled receiver. It's just dirty.

BTW, the new cast receivers are also milled post casting, so milling marks don't mean a milled from stock receiver. Since Todd at ORF died and the company folded, CAI has had to rely on another source for receivers, allegedly Caspian. I have yet to see one of the cast receivers so I could not tell you from experience what to look for. Mine is a very early gun.

http://guntech.com/galil/golani-2.jpg

http://guntech.com/galil/golani-3.jpg

http://guntech.com/galil/golani-4.jpg

I bought my railed tube from Uzitalk, but they have them here:

http://akpartskits.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=462

WardenWolf
November 3, 2010, 12:20 AM
How well does that AR magazine adapter work for you? Any issues or magazines it doesn't like?

DoctorOfLight
November 3, 2010, 12:20 AM
Please excuse my ignorance, but it sounds like that rifle shoots 223 ammo. Is that right?

WardenWolf
November 3, 2010, 12:22 AM
Correct. It does. Actually, all the documentation refers to it as 5.56, so it can indeed shoot the higher-pressure mil-spec loads.

GunTech
November 3, 2010, 12:24 AM
BTW, Milled ORF receivers serials start with GAL, Cast Caspian start with GLN.

GunTech
November 3, 2010, 12:33 AM
The gun runs fine with PMAGs and milspec alloy magazines (GI surplus and Brownells). I haven't tried any other.

Keep in mind that while the NATO spec for 5.56x45 is 62,300 psi, the 5.56 chamber has a longer leade than the 223, with it lower SAAMI spec pressure of 55,000 psi.

Also, early Golanis had spotty heat treat, so you need to watch out of for signed of mushrooming at the locking shoulder. The cast receiver guns don't have this problem and in general the only complaints I have hear about the cast receivers is that there are some visible cast mark. The general consensus seems to be that the new receiver have a much better QC than the ORF.

The galil section of uzitalk is a good source of info on these rifles.

WardenWolf
November 3, 2010, 12:36 AM
My receiver starts with GAL. It's possible someone revived ORF or purchased their equipment. GAL049XX. These are brand new builds, though.

GunTech
November 3, 2010, 12:40 AM
Mine is GAL031xx, and is about two years old. Either they don't sell a lot, or they just grab receivers out of a pile willy-nilly. Regardless, they are great rifles and the early problems seem to have been dealt with.

BTW, does yours have Hebrew markings? Full auto notch (non-fuctioning)?

WardenWolf
November 3, 2010, 12:48 AM
No Hebrew markings. Only markings are S and F. J&G had just gotten a new shipment when I arrived. The guy at the counter thought they were sold out, but he checked the computer and found a new shipment that they hadn't even gotten on display yet. I pretty much got the first rifle off the truck. Never opened, never handled. I asked if I could take the top cover off to inspect it, and the guy said go for it. One thing that impressed me was how clean everything was. The milling was crisp and uniform, the finish was good. Everything looked new. I've got a Century AK underfolder and a PSL, so I know what to expect from Century guns. This one blew me away.

GunTech
November 3, 2010, 01:11 AM
You make me want to buy another. Enjoy your new toy! :)

WardenWolf
November 3, 2010, 01:30 AM
Thanks, and thanks for your help! I need to figure out how I'm going to put a rail on this gun. I really don't like the idea of a gas tube rail because I like to be able to scope my guns. I'm left-handed, as well, so an offset mount doesn't work. This could be tricky.

nwilliams
November 3, 2010, 01:33 AM
I keep wanting to buy one of these and keep putting it off.

If I still lived in Prescott and could make a run down to J&G I probably would have bought one by now.

My local shop here has one but they want something like $850 for it.

HorseSoldier
November 3, 2010, 04:30 AM
No Hebrew markings. Only markings are S and F.

The actual .mil Galil SARs my last active duty unit had for familiarization did not have any Hebrew characters on them, either, if I remember correctly.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/jboschma/GalilSAR.jpg

ulfrik
November 3, 2010, 04:43 AM
i read some were the century goloni rifle had trouble "out of the box", if so its not worth 1,100$.

is the goloni any good or not?

WardenWolf
November 3, 2010, 05:38 AM
Well, if you'd been reading, ulfrik, those questions would be answered. There's nothing wrong with the Golani. It's a fine rifle. The magazines that come with it are typically worn out, though, and will cause it to malfunction until you replace it. Fortunately, replacements are cheap. I put a new $13 magazine in it and it runs like a champ. It's like any AK-style rifle: good luck getting it to malfunction unless some major component is totally shot.

ulfrik
November 3, 2010, 05:52 AM
so the goloni is good.cool i like the galil rifles.

how about the ptr91? wow a g3 made from scratch in the usa, is it to good to be true or is it a good rifle?

RX-178
November 3, 2010, 06:12 AM
how about the ptr91?

My PTR-91 has gone 3 years and at least 5k rounds (my record on round count isn't handy, I'll edit post when I find it) without any cleaning other than running a boresnake through it.

I did clean it for about 5 hours straight just yesterday since it started jamming, but it turns out the culprit was more likely a few bad magazines rather than how dirty it was.

I DO hear there's a difference between the earlier ones like I have, and the current PTR-91s, but I don't know the details on that.

GunTech
November 3, 2010, 09:04 AM
Ulfrik, the original Golanis had problems, and many had to be returned to Century for repair. The problems were traced to out of spec receivers built by ORF. Later models corrected this and any new production guns should run fine.

Bud's has the best price on Golanis I've found, and even if you have to pay for the FFL, it should still be a very good price.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/59877

WardenWolf, the scope mounts I've tried for the Golani are too tall and ungainly. It's really not a rifle that's easy to scope.

http://guntech.com/galil/pri_mount-1.jpg

http://guntech.com/galil/pri_mount-2.jpg

nathan
November 3, 2010, 09:41 AM
Im glad CAI is improving the quality of assembly on these Galils. Bet they have plenty of kits imported on this one ready to be sold to US consumers.
The new AK 47 with milled receiver is also a good one to have except it has a US made barrel.

GunTech
November 3, 2010, 09:54 AM
The barrel is another part for that 922r count. I'd rather have the chrome bore, but I'm not ready to pay a few thousand extra to get it. 'Real' IMI Galils are going for $3500+. A custom build with a chrome bore will generally run around $1500 depending on parts kit and receiver. You can buy a Golani for under $600 if you shop around.

Fortunately, we are unlikely to put the high round counts through our semis that military rifles, passed from soldier to soldier, often see. A none chromed barrel should last many thousands of round, and even rebarreling with a US made chrome lined barrel is cheap compared to paying for an original rifle.

Roadkill
November 3, 2010, 11:10 AM
I have one with the ORF receiver. Had lots of problems until I sent it to Jeff at Hillbilly Arms and he did his magic on it. Its a fantastic gun. I save my "last load" brass for it though. Using a 62g bullet and 21g of IMR4198 it hums like a sewing machine.

GunTech
November 3, 2010, 11:18 AM
Galils are notoriously hard on brass. Look familiar?

http://guntech.com/galil/brass.jpg

WardenWolf
November 3, 2010, 02:52 PM
The scope mounts I've tried for the Golani are too tall and ungainly. It's really not a rifle that's easy to scope.

Well, I'm probably going to replace one of my handguard attachments with one that accepts a Galil bipod. If it's scoped, I'll be shooting from the bench, which solves that problem. I'm really not the type of person that shoots scoped while standing up. I need support.

Any AK-based rifle is hard on the brass. Occasionally you'll get a cartridge that's salvageable, but with .223 rifles it's more like 1 in 10. I've seen a few with my Saiga .223 that are literally bent. The 7.62x39 AK's and the 7.62x54R PSL are a little kinder, and I'd say probably 2/3 of the brass from the PSL would be reusable. The heavier brass holds up a lot better than the relatively light .223. Because of this, I haven't yet gotten into reloading and normally just feed my AK's cheap ammo unless I'm planning to go hunting. Then I sight in my scope with a good Black Hills load.

TexasRifleman
November 3, 2010, 04:18 PM
Yes this is one of the guns used in the movie "HEAT", but we're here to talk about the real thing. I've removed several movie related posts, please stick to the actual firearm discussion.

ZEN.45
November 4, 2010, 05:46 AM
Itís even more Ďevilí in 308 :evil:

I had installed a quad rail from FAB that worked well, but I returned it to its original configuration that is more fun to me.

There are no Hebrew markings on my (IMI made) Galil, just S, A and R.

It does ruin every single piece of brass.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6813/s6001510.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2144/sar001.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9789/sar005.jpg

Medusa
November 4, 2010, 07:30 AM
Well, Galil is a nice rifle (I've shot the 556 AR and 762 SN version). Just a note, a piece of .50 cal MG disintegrating link attaches very nicely around the barrel and can hold a small light.

The latter:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=61565&d=1185732271

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=60899&d=1184578118

The former (and yes, my household includes one cat, who is to blame for all those holes in my lebo):

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=130124&d=1288886844

I do like them both, felt quite comfortable, but I would say that I feel almost as good with the Galatz as with M14.

Prince Yamato
November 4, 2010, 10:38 AM
... and in come the Europeans to ruin all our fun with their actual military Galils... :D I envy you guys.

MTMilitiaman
November 4, 2010, 10:40 AM
Weight? Accuracy?

Medusa
November 4, 2010, 01:40 PM
Weight. More than a typical M16. Galil is not a very light weapon, but it is pretty much a worked up AK.

Accuracy is OK for AR version, like any military assault rifle, 2-4 moas @100m. SN is a lot better. I've seen it do 5 hits from 6 rounds, shooting at human torso size target at 1000 m (1 click), using US M80.

I have personally done that, when zeroing the rifle (the distance between 2 ringlines is 5 cm /little below 2 inches, ammo was Lapua 185 gr HPBT), @300m. Well, the sight was little off-center, as it turned out :

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=130130&stc=1&d=1288892107

I will not say I can do that everyday, but rifle seems to manage that from time to time.

Dr.Rob
November 4, 2010, 01:55 PM
All 5.56mm AK's beat the snot out of brass. Simply the nature of the beast. Valmet made a case buffer that slips onto the action cover that keeps your brass reloadable. They are hard to find and pricey but... here's what they look like and that's about what I paid for mine a long long time ago.

http://www.robertrtg.com/valmetbuffer.html

Lots of guys use duct tape or fender welt to take the sharp edge off the action cover that dents your 5.56mm brass so badly and it doesn't cost $45 + shipping. The Galil takes some modification to use the buffer.

CDNN usually has original Galil mags for sale, they aren't that hard to find unless you are looking for steel magazines.

WardenWolf
November 4, 2010, 02:07 PM
I've heard of just putting door molding on the edge of the dust cover. That seems to work well, too. It's just too ghetto for my tastes.

GunTech
November 4, 2010, 02:14 PM
Brand new Orlites work fine and can be had for around $20-25 if you shop around. Tapco makes a new polymer mag for around $15 but I have not tried them.

You can get steel surplus mags for as little as $12, but they frequently need to be fixed. I typically buy these from Midway or some other reliable vendor, check the springs and follower and feed lips, polish, bead blast the experior then paint with BBQ paint and bake. They look good and hold up fine. Load the 35 rounders with 30 rounds and they run great.

If you want a more 'respectable' finish, you can get molycoat from Brownells in a spay can.

Medusa
November 4, 2010, 02:16 PM
And that bayonet lug is also very useful for opening up the glass bottles :)

WardenWolf
November 4, 2010, 02:16 PM
The Tapco magazines get great reviews, and I purchased one and that's what's on my rifle. It runs great, 100%, and is great quality. Go Tapco. You'll save a lot of money. I will say this, though: there is NO extra length in those magazines. If you have a round that's a little longer, it may not fit.

Dr.Rob
November 4, 2010, 03:17 PM
I prefer the term "Irish Engineering". Which loosly translates as "give me a tube of gorilla snot and I'll make you a winning motorcycle."

I tried an AKM topcover with a folded reinforcement on my 5.56 rifle, still beat up the brass... the Valmet buffer works as advertised--but the damn thing doesn't positively "click" in place on anything BUT a Valmet. Could slide right off a rifle being used hard. Needs to be rivieted/metal epoxied/gorilla snotted down to really be of use.

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