Muzzleloader Help


November 5, 2010, 08:45 PM
I took my T/C Omega to the range today and was really pleased with it. 2" group at 50 yards with iron sights. I cleaned the bore with pre-moistened T/C patches until they came out clean as new. Is there something else I need to do after shooting sabots? Plastic cleaner and a copper brush? I could use a dummy's guide to modern muzzleloader shooting if one is online.

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November 5, 2010, 08:51 PM
Found this. Any other opinions would be appreciated though.

The issue of plastic fouling from sabots has been a bit overstated. With the latest formulations of polyethylene, it is not the issue that it once was. Yet, depending on gun and load, I have seen plastic fouling build-up after a couple of hundred shots. Plastic solvents, such as shotgun choke tube cleaner, run through with a patch after every hundred shots or so, will usually prevent it from becoming an issue. A metal cleaner with the warning "will harm plastics" applied to the bore also takes care of it, as that is the idea.

November 5, 2010, 09:17 PM
I use brake cleaner from Walmart. The kind that is chlorinated. But I think once you scrub out the powder residue, plastic deposits ought not be a worry. I shoot a Savage, and haven't had an issue with plastic residue.

November 5, 2010, 11:04 PM
Thank you for the reply. I just mounted the scope tonight. Going to hit the range in the next week or so with a variety of bullets and powder charges.

November 5, 2010, 11:09 PM
my omega was deadly with 100 gr 777 and a 245 Powerbelt. Now, my Triumph hates that combo, it likes 100 gr Blackhorn 209 with a 250 gr Shockwave sabot.

November 6, 2010, 01:03 AM
Hot, soapy water only, followed by dry patches, some bore butter and a final dry patch.

Get Sam Fadala's book.

November 6, 2010, 02:20 AM
Cleaning regimen will vary widely among shooters from water to car fluids and everything in between. I started with a Thompson New Englander back in '89 and boiled a lot of water. After cleaning, it was necessary to revisit the safe several times to oil everything down to keep rust at bay, especially around the peep site. I switched to Number 13 (I love the smell of that stuff) and never looked back. I was also using Pyrodex at the time with both patch and ball and Buffalo Bullets.

My Knight has seen nothing but #13 and still shoots about 1 1/2" groups at 100 yds. with an old Tasco on it. I bought it back in '92.

My parents have gone through 1 New Englander, 2 Knight MK 85s, 1 Black Knight, 2 CVA Optima 209s and at present mom shoots an MK 85 SS and dad has a new T/C Encore Pro Hunter in stainless. Multiple ritualistic cleaning techniques and now both are eating crow and swabbing with Number 13.

There are plenty of long-time shooters here who may have a better routine but it works for all of us with no ill effects over the past 20+- years with around 100 rounds/yr./rifle.
For thousands of rounds per year; I can't say.

November 6, 2010, 07:35 AM
The patches I bought were T/C brand pre-moistened with T-17 cleaner. Will have to experiment with loads and cleaning methods. All great information thanks everyone.

November 6, 2010, 07:39 AM
I just bought an Omega for my father-in-law. It should have come with a DVD that covers recommended cleaning.

My father-in-law likes to use soapy water but I use No. 13 from T/C followed up by bore good.

Edit: Oh and just because it says it is food grade does not mean it is delicious ;) I tried a little and I don't recommend the flavor.

Uncle Mike
November 6, 2010, 09:01 AM
Edit: Oh and just because it says it is food grade does not mean it is delicious I tried a little and I don't recommend the flavor.

It makes really good 'chapstick'!

November 6, 2010, 01:09 PM
Uncle Mike, everyone knows that's what Gorilla Grease is for;-)

BP Hunter
November 6, 2010, 01:44 PM
I used to shoot a Traditions bolt action muzzleloader but then switched to the SAvage 10ML that uses smokeless powder. They were so accurateand fun to shoot. I didn't have to clean it since it used smokeless powder. Muzzleloading is fun, it's not just not fun cleaning it.

November 6, 2010, 02:46 PM
I switched to Blackhorn 209 a couple of weeks ago and I have ot say clean up is cinch. 3 Patches of Hoppes #9 followed by 2 dry patches and a coat of gun oil. Done!

November 7, 2010, 01:49 AM
I use nothing but #13 to clean my ML. Shoots outstanding and cleans up with no stinky mess! I use pre wet patches at the range until they are clean, then when I get home I just clean the nipple.

November 7, 2010, 02:37 AM
"...after a couple of hundred shots..." Plastic fouling would be the least of your problems.
"...a dummy's guide to modern muzzleloader shooting if one is online..." Isn't on-line, but Lyman's BP Handbook & Loading Manual, written by Sam Fadala(called Mr. Muzzleloader) is worth every cent. Biggest thing about BP is that load data is by volume, not the weight in grains. Even though the data is given in grains. Yeah. Still trying to get my head around that. Years of loading smokeless. Suspect/hope the assorted powder flasks, etc. will deal with that.
Like CraigC says hot soapy water(not exactly sure if soap matters) is your friend.

November 7, 2010, 03:08 PM
Thank you everyone.

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