TRUE Double Action Only


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Onward Allusion
November 6, 2010, 01:05 PM
...and not a revolver...

Aside from the Beretta D's, Taurus line with double strike, SIG DAK, & the KT P11 - are there any other TRUE DAO semi-autos? I like the SIG but it's a bit pricey and the trigger is a bit light for my liking.

I want a full-size 9mm or 40S&W semi-auto with a 8 to 10 lb trigger that has "second-strike" (hate that term). Any recommendations?

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19-3Ben
November 6, 2010, 01:07 PM
There are a whole bunch of 3rd gen S&W's that were true DAO.

Onward Allusion
November 6, 2010, 01:14 PM
The 5946 & 5946TSW I have are DAO but still require a 1/4" slide movement to re-engage.

10-96
November 6, 2010, 01:17 PM
The CZ100 is/was a true DAO. I think it has/had a pretty low pricetag as well. T'was a ruther neat lookin little critter.

Owen
November 6, 2010, 01:22 PM
FN Forty Nine

The Lone Haranguer
November 6, 2010, 01:26 PM
Aside from the Beretta D's, Taurus line with double strike, SIG DAK, & the KT P11 - are there any other TRUE DAO semi-autos?
If you can actually find one, I think some Ruger P-series were made in true DAO. SIGs have also been made in DAO, or a DA/SA can be converted. (This is not the same as the DAK; the pull is heavier and longer, being the same as the first DA pull of the DA/SA, and there is only one pull option.)

There are a whole bunch of 3rd gen S&W's that were true DAO.
These actually fire from a preset (half cock) hammer and do not have "second strike." Otherwise they would have been my first suggestion.

19-3Ben
November 6, 2010, 01:31 PM
Really? I thought they were straight up DAO.
Wow. You learn something new every day!
Thanks for droppin' a little knowledge on me!

skipjack
November 6, 2010, 01:52 PM
The Sig 250 is double action only. It has a very smooth trigger pull, and can be changed to different calibers, barrel lengths, etc.

Onward Allusion
November 6, 2010, 01:59 PM
Yeah - I thought so too. Since I don't usually dry fire and the thing has a mag disconnect, I didn't find out until I experienced a FTFire on my first 5946 at the range.


Really? I thought they were straight up DAO.
Wow. You learn something new every day!
Thanks for droppin' a little knowledge on me!

usp9
November 6, 2010, 02:07 PM
The Seecamp is DAO, and the only one I own.

HK offers a DAO in the USP line.

modifiedbrowning
November 6, 2010, 02:17 PM
Walther made some DAO P99s.

fastbolt
November 6, 2010, 02:31 PM
The original Walther P990, now called the P99 DAO, or the P99 AS (Anti-Stress) come to mind. I tend to like the AS action, myself.

The S&W 3rd gen DAO guns do require the slide being retracted to "locate" the hammer on the sear and make it ready for firing.

I remember chuckling during the Sig pistol armorer class when the instructor was discussing the differences between the original DAO and the Enhanced DAO (commonly called the DAK) ... and he said the original DAO was proof that even Sig could make a bad trigger. :D

There are a lot of "DAO" type pistols available on the market. The definition of "true DAO" is pretty much open to individual interpretation, and if someone wants to take it to mean having "second strike" capability, there are some out there that have been designed to possess that capability.

Marshall
November 6, 2010, 05:00 PM
Right now, someone is just dying to say Glock. :p

JohnBiltz
November 6, 2010, 06:06 PM
Beretta PX4 Storm type D

Never mind. You mentioned that at the start.

IlikeSA
November 6, 2010, 09:35 PM
I know the S&W 4506 is DA, but cannot remember if it is DA with second strike capability.
Doesn't Paraordnance make the 1911 style in LDA?

fastbolt
November 6, 2010, 09:40 PM
The 4506 is a traditional double action model, meaning the first shot (or whenever the hammer is forward/uncocked) is DA and the subsequent shots are SA (whenever the hammer is cocked from slide cycling).

aryfrosty
November 6, 2010, 10:23 PM
I have an HK P-2000sk which is DAO with restrike capabilities. Also my Para LDA has a sweet double action which has to be reset between strokes. Not being trite but I, while liking the feature, have felt that having the ability to pull the trigger more than once on a bad round is a little like having chromed mudflaps on a 747. "Cute, but why?" It can lull a shooter into muddying up the habit of "Tap-rack-bang" when/if a misfire might occur. I am too long in the tooth to remember too many sequential operations. The best DAO I have ever used...and, yes, once in a gunfight...is a Beretta 96D Centurion that was department issue in the 90s.

tbeb
November 7, 2010, 02:13 AM
I have a CZ75DAO which is double action only.

Owen
November 7, 2010, 06:37 AM
Traditional DA/SA pistols usually have restrike ability, but the OP is looking for DAO.

jdh
November 7, 2010, 01:12 PM
Those of which I have first hand knowledge.
Kel-Tec P11/P40
S&W's new Bodyguard 380
Ruger P89DAO (This one I was issued for 15 years)

All DAO, all have second strike.

sidheshooter
November 7, 2010, 01:49 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=197118606

jamesmn
November 7, 2010, 02:04 PM
I have a Sig P250 9mm compact that is pure DAO. A revolver in a autoloading design. Simple and awesome

Steve_NEPhila
November 7, 2010, 02:21 PM
I see no utility in "second strike capability" it is a bunch of marketing bollocks. If your pistol goes "click" then you should be doing the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfyULpEhmug

If you want real and true double action, check out wheel guns. I know there is no "second strike" unless you pull the trigger enough times to make the cylinder turn all the way around.

PO2Hammer
November 7, 2010, 06:07 PM
Sig DAK is not DAO, it's kind of a hybrid DA/SA with a hammer that stays down, but the mechanism is cocked, similar to HK's LEM.
Both Sig P series and the USP line can be had in true DAO as well.
The Sig DA stroke is far better than the USP DA stroke IMO.
The Ruger P-95 DAO that I fired had a very smooth DAO stroke, one of the best DAO's I've tried.
Glock isn't DAO, much more than splitting hairs, it's very different from a traditional DAO hammer fired pistol.

Onward Allusion
November 7, 2010, 06:35 PM
It isn't about double strike capability. That is a whole other debate. I simply like the the consistent pull of a heavy trigger.

Glocks are fine but #1 - they aren't DAO #2 - the trigger is way too light for my tastes. I also like a hammer more than a striker, and I don't want anything with a safety or decocker. Right now I'm leaning toward the Beretta PX4 Type D in 40S&W.

fastbolt
November 7, 2010, 06:42 PM
Sig DAK is not DAO, it's kind of a hybrid DA/SA with a hammer that stays down, but the mechanism is cocked ...

See, this is one of those instances where someone may take issue with the definition used by a manufacturer (which isn't uncommon among owners, users and enthusiasts, in general, BTW). In the Sig pistol armorer manual I received in the armorer class the insert for the DAK specifically called it their "Enhanced Double Action Only (DAK) Trigger Function". They designed and made it, so I'm not inclined to take issue with how they decided to define it.

But yes, it does function differently than their original DAO model.

Then again, Glock has described their "Safe Action" design as "constant double action mode" for years ... and I'm likewise not going to try to convince them that they should call it something else.

The manufacturers and BATFE can define the various designs and actions according to their preferred definitions for all I care.

The potential purchaser can study the various pistol offerings and decide which is more preferable to their needs ... according to their whims.

There's always the subject of how some revolver owners wanted to stick to calling DA revolvers "trigger cocking", as opposed to "thumb cocking" SA models ... and then the appellation of "traditional double action" came around to differentiate older style DA revolvers from the newer DAO guns. :D

Trumac
November 8, 2010, 07:50 AM
Someone already mentioned it, but before Sig came out with the DAK they had DAO. I have a p228 from 1990 that is DAO. If you have shot the DA/SA Sigs it's the same trigger pull as the first DA shot. It's long and a little heavy but its smooth.

FullEffect1911
November 10, 2010, 10:59 AM
I am of the same opinion of liking a long relatively heavy trigger, I feel it keeps my focused on my trigger pull and actually results in better groups for me while also improving on my flinch and trigger discipline.

I went with the Sig P250. The trigger pull and reset is very similar to a Revolver shot in double action, however the trigger pull is about 6 or 7 pounds. So think of it like the finest broken in revolver trigger for weight. However while the trigger is smooth it still does not match a good S&W revolver trigger.

With that said it is still my current favorite semi auto trigger I've shot. And fwiw mine has been flawless for function (newest gen .45 full size).

armoredman
November 10, 2010, 12:00 PM
The CZ-100 is a true DAO, and of all the CZs I have known, the only one I will never have again. That trigger is TERRIBLE! The hard to find Colt Z-40 had a sweeeeet DAO trigger. The CZ75DAO is still made, I think.

joe_security
November 10, 2010, 12:09 PM
No mention of the Kahr ?

9mmepiphany
November 10, 2010, 05:28 PM
No mention of the Kahr ?

I want a full-size 9mm or 40S&W semi-auto with a 8 to 10 lb trigger that has "second-strike" (hate that term).

While I'm a big fan of the Kahr platform, the OP's two requirements (bolded above) pretty much exclude the Kahrs

Onward Allusion
November 11, 2010, 02:40 PM
I'm really just looking for a full sized but prettier version of the P-11 with a rail.

Welding Rod
November 11, 2010, 03:07 PM
I have a Sig P250 9mm that has a great DAO trigger... very smooth and reasonably light.

I bought it only because a small dealer was simply trying to get it off his shelf after it sat for some time. I got what seemed like a very good deal.

I only have shot 6 or 7 boxes of ammo through it but so far it has been flawless and I do really like the trigger.

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