need help with a target rifle....


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M-Cameron
November 6, 2010, 08:46 PM
alright....here's the dilemma......i need a .22 target rifle to practice 3 position with ......it doesnt exactly need to be competition grade.....but its got to come pretty close.....

.....the kicker......it needs to be under or as close to $500 as possible.........yeah, i know.......


what i had in mind was a savage Mark I/ Mark II FVT
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIFVT

i can get the mark I for $350 and the mark II for $400.......


and i planned on restocking it with a target stock
http://www.rifle-stocks.com/thumholetarget.htm

which will cost about $140.....

which will bring the total cost to about $490-540....right in my price range.





my other options would be a Kimber 82 from CMP
http://www.thecmp.org/22targetsurplus.htm

that would cost me about $600 and would take a few months to arrive........a little long to wait and a little more than i wanted to spend......


or...

an IZH cm-2/sm-2.....also for $600.....again...more than i really want to spend....


i am really leaning towards the savage option.....mostly for affordability and for parts availability...


so does anyone have any input or alternate options to consider?

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G27RR
November 6, 2010, 09:01 PM
The Savage are nice. You could also look at the CZ452.

huntershooter
November 6, 2010, 09:07 PM
CZ 452 is the way to go.
Nearly as accurate as my Anshutz, decent trigger.

M-Cameron
November 6, 2010, 09:12 PM
ive seen the CZ's......the only problem is they lack "target sights"......which i really do not want to have to buy separately...and also local availability.... i really do not want to have to order on-line.

Aint Life Garand
November 6, 2010, 09:13 PM
Have you considered the "Rusty" Kimber? They're only $400 and are one of the best current deals from CMP. Though they're sold as "rusty" few actually are. Often its just the preservative on them although a few have had specs of rust in the bolt that cleaned up easily.

M-Cameron
November 6, 2010, 09:15 PM
eh.....im not a huge fan of buying anything that i know could be rusty.....and since there is no refund i really dont want to take the risk.

viking499
November 6, 2010, 09:21 PM
CZ 452 Lux. Has great factory sights. Can add peeps.

jcwit
November 6, 2010, 10:06 PM
eh.....im not a huge fan of buying anything that i know could be rusty.....and since there is no refund i really dont want to take the risk.
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We bought 2 of the so called "rusty" Kimbers for our youth leaque. They cleaned up just fine, and are super accurate. I would highly reccomend them. I seriously doubt a currant production will even come close to to the accuracy of the Kimber.

juk
November 6, 2010, 10:13 PM
I would say that the 452 sights are quite excellent. You can replace the rear sight with a ghost ring type insert. You can buy a trigger kit and tune the trigger yourself for 25 dollars. My 452 trainer is dead stock right now and probably my favorite plinking rifle. Federal bulk pack was grouping less than 2" at 100 yards. I would recommend them. Current manufacture is the 455, which is still a very nice rimfire. The 452s and 453s can still be found. One thing I liked most about my 452 is that it felt like a real rifle, as far as size and weight.

Beagle-zebub
November 6, 2010, 11:11 PM
I love my Savage Mk. II, but the comb on the factory stock puts my eye at just the right elevation to look down the bore when the bolt is removed; unfortunately, that's not where the sights are. I remedied this problem by taping a thick paperback book to the stock, but one of those stocks would do nicely.

Sunray
November 6, 2010, 11:35 PM
Hard to beat a Savage. Why are you not practicing with your competition rifle? Just curious.

M-Cameron
November 6, 2010, 11:43 PM
Hard to beat a Savage. Why are you not practicing with your competition rifle? Just curious.

because i shoot for my schools team, all the rifles are school owned and are used by multiple shooters.....and depending on where i get a co-op...theres a good chance i wont be living on campus next semester, thus i wont be able to use the schools facilities and equipment......and i want to have my own setup so i can practice.

Sunray
November 7, 2010, 12:53 AM
"...all the rifles are school owned..." Hi. That'll do it.
Used to command a Canadian Forces Army Cadet Corps. Had a bunch of No. 7 Lee-Enfields(a No. 4 in .22 LR. Tack drivers even with a bad trigger.) and some Anschutz target rifles(way beyond your budget. Crying shame that it is. Friggin' things shoot amazingly well with poor ammo.) All of 'em used by everybody.
Mossberg used to make a Model 144. Heavy barreled, mag fed, bolt action, that shoot pretty well. Mind you, you'd have to find one. In any case, don't discount buying a used rifle. Takes a lot of abuse to damage a modern rifle.
The school won't let you use the facilities and equipment because you don't live on campus? Still on the team? Or will it be a distance/travel time thing? Your education is more important, of course. Just curious about that too.
Where you are matters.

M-Cameron
November 7, 2010, 01:12 AM
oh no, still a student and will still be on the team and still competing.......its a distance thing....if im not on campus it would take right around an hour to get back onto campus.....where as im literally less than 5 min from the local range.....and i would be able to shoot pretty much whenever i wanted.


and youd better believe the first thing im gonna do when im done with school and am no longer living off ramen noodles is im gonna buy myself an anschutz........i shoot an anschutz 8002 in air rifle and its an absolute dream.

Sunray
November 7, 2010, 01:48 AM
"...take right around an hour..." Hi. That'll do it too. Especially with the price of gas.
"...gonna buy myself an Anschutz..." Very long dollars. A 1407 runs $1200ish, used. They do shoot well though. Mind you, once you're out of school, you may want to look into NRA and/or CMP high power match shooting. Short range is 300 yards, as I recall. There's some kind of match for everybody.
The rifles I had weren't top of the line(forget the model. It was 30 years ago), but geezuz, they shot well. The CF gave us IVI standard velocity ammo(Canadian made). Reliable, but not great stuff. The rifles shot one hole group with it at 20ish yards. Got boring.
Cheaperthandirt is listing a Savage Mark II-FVT at $336.43. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/24668-55.html

wanderinwalker
November 7, 2010, 03:00 PM
I've been interested in the CMP Kimbers too, and have heard/read good things about them. The price and wait may be a bit much, but it does sound like the "rusty" ones are worth rolling the dice. Pricing out decent competition grade smallbore rifles makes me think my AR-15 setup for Highpower Service Rifle is a poor-man's comp gun! :scrutiny:

So that would be my vote, go CMP and get the Kimber. It won't have to be restocked or have sights added out of the box. The CZs I've handled in the shop have been nice, but they'd need to be restocked and be drilled and tapped for a good set of target sights.

And then you'll need ammo. How much more of your own gear will you need to come up with? Just the rifle?

Good luck with the searching and decision.

M-Cameron
November 7, 2010, 05:42 PM
And then you'll need ammo. How much more of your own gear will you need to come up with? Just the rifle?

as for ammo, i probably wont be practicing with match grade ammo.......because when i practice......i shoot as long as i can.....so im probably going to be shooting whatever's cheap...

as for other equipment.....spotting scope im good, rifle stand i can honestly practice without......we are issued jacket/pants/sling/shoes, which im sure they wont have a problem letting take off the range......however i can get buy in practice without them in the event i cannot....well maybe not the sling...... but i can always pick one up.

MythBuster
November 7, 2010, 07:07 PM
The "rusty" Kimbers from the CMP will have a just a slight trace of rust. Sometimes you have to look long and hard to even find any rust. There is absolutely nothing wrong with these rifles. They are MUCH better than a Savage.

M-Cameron
November 10, 2010, 10:22 AM
just thought ide let you all know i decided on the savage mkii...

now to order a new stock.....

which leads me to my next question...

does anyone have any tips on inleting a stock for an Anschutz rail.......or should i take it to a gunsmith?

BrocLuno
November 10, 2010, 11:06 AM
Used Remington Target Master - should come with a tight sling and full target sights - will be around $300~400. Used Winchester 52? Likely to be out of your budget. Used Mossberg 44 should be in your budget. Shoot well enough for practice and will likely come with a tight sling too. The Kimber should be a good deal. They should clean up very well.

You can sell any of these on the street for what you pay for it, so your investment is safe and you might make a $ or two :)

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