I want to see your "scout" rifle set ups


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12guagecody
November 8, 2010, 01:18 AM
after seeing a steyr scout at the gun shop- which is more than i could ever possible justify spending on a gun, i would like to see what kind of scout rifles you guys have. i am playing with the idea of making a mosin nagant into a pseudo scout rifle as a truck/fun gun. show me what you've got!

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GunTech
November 8, 2010, 01:23 AM
M1A Scout:

http://guntech.com/m14/m1a-scout.jpg

Apex29
November 8, 2010, 07:26 AM
I don't have a "scout" rifle, but if you go to gunbroker.com and click on "bolt action" in "Firearms," then when the bolt action rifle page comes up, go to their search engine and type in "scout." Some pretty cool stuff.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/43/43531.jpg

langloisandy
November 8, 2010, 08:40 AM
Cody.

Come on over and visit the Scout Rifle Forum over at: www.scoutrifle.org (PM me here or email me if you sign up, I'll approve you ASAP!)

Regards,

Andy

gglass
November 8, 2010, 08:55 AM
My scout model Puma M92 is also my .44 Magnum Indiana legal rifle.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9482/rossimodel9244mag.jpg

spikehunter
November 8, 2010, 08:58 AM
What scopes do most people uses for these scout set ups

esheato
November 8, 2010, 09:22 AM
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z275/howeric/Marlin1895GS003.jpg

Wish I could take credit for it, but I bought it like this (here on THR too). Standard Marlin flavor with a couple extras.

Moose458
November 8, 2010, 09:51 AM
Mauser K98K in 8mm, with a Burris Scoutscope.
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg92/Moose458/257288-R1-16-17.jpg

Unistat
November 8, 2010, 11:20 AM
Here is my first project rifle. An $80 Mosin-Nagant that I bubba'd into a scout configuration.

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SharpsDressedMan
November 8, 2010, 12:07 PM
Remington left hand Model 700 .30-06, Burris Scout scope and base. Sparks sling with QD 3 point mounting. It has delivered 3/4" groups with the 2 3/4X scope, and I probably can't do better than that. The stock is factory camo, and the barrel was just cut and crowned at 19".
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05326.jpg

12guagecody
November 8, 2010, 10:11 PM
hey unistat what length did you cut your barrel to and how?

Clifford
November 8, 2010, 10:24 PM
unistat, I like the mosin-scout. Tell us about the rifle, I'm interested in the barrel, scope & mount, stock, ect. I've been thinking about picking one up to build a scout style rifle on the cheap and your rifle looks promising.

Rembrandt
November 8, 2010, 10:31 PM
How about a Scout shotgun?......Benelli M1-Super 90. (Burris LER scope)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Rembrandt51/shotgunhunt1.jpg

natman
November 9, 2010, 04:25 AM
Here's something a little different:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e166/nat_mann/norincoscout.jpg

Boomie
November 9, 2010, 09:06 AM
A Mosin you say?

langloisandy
November 9, 2010, 09:19 AM
Cody, You are approved over at the forum!

Other Scout's : Come on over if you have the time! (PM me here for speedy approval)

Thx,

Andy

jon86
November 9, 2010, 09:23 AM
Not trying to hijack, but, please educate me, as I have never handled or shot a scout rifle, what advantage does the scout configuration have over the traditional rifle and scope configuration? How is that for a run-on sentence?

chas08
November 9, 2010, 09:58 AM
gglass and esheato, being a lever fan, I really like your setups. I have three lever guns. two with irons and one with a conventionally mounted scope. What's the advantage of the scout setup?

GunTech
November 9, 2010, 10:01 AM
The scout rifle concept is generally credited to Jeff Cooper. Rather than regurgitate info, here a Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_rifle

jon86
November 9, 2010, 10:03 AM
Thanks guntech

group17
November 9, 2010, 10:25 AM
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/4446/dscf1041p.jpg
Mauser 98K

Gordon
November 9, 2010, 11:19 AM
Natman; very kewl! Did you turn the cantilever mount backward to get that?

natman
November 9, 2010, 11:29 AM
Natman; very kewl! Did you turn the cantilever mount backward to get that?
Yep. Used a black pencil eraser carefully cut to size to support the end of the cantilever .

chas08
November 9, 2010, 11:31 AM
Thanks guntech, nicely done and very informative.

Unistat
November 9, 2010, 12:55 PM
Ok, this will run a little long...

My goal with this rifle was two-fold. First, I wanted to get my feet wet with some basic gunsmithing and second, I wanted a scout rifle. I saw this M-N at Gander Mtn. for $80.00 and grabbed it up. It was definately this worst of the lot that they had there, but also the cheapest.

If you are going to go this way with your scout project, please learn about Mosins. You do not want to buy a nice one and pay to much just to bubba it and ruin a great historic rifle. Mine was trashed, the stock was chipped, cracked, and repared badly. There was no bayonet or other accessories. It is from later in WWII so it is not as finely made as earlier Soviet M-Ns. It is not from the Tula factory, it is an Izhevsk. It is a M91/30, not a more desireable M44 (I have a friend who just bought a really nice Polish M44 from the 1950's for $120.00 and I advised him to leave it as is.)

I bought an ATI stock (http://www.atigunstocks.com/p-44-mosin-nagant-monte-carlo-stock.aspx). Installation was a breeze. I've read where som have hade to shave some of the stock to get their M-N to fit, which is a possibilty given the wide variance in the different M-Ns out there, but I did not have to do any such modification. Along with the stock I got a limbsaver butt-pad replacement (trimmed to fit the ATI stock), a cheek riser (solid rubber screw in), and a butt stock ammo sleeve.

A word about the ATI stocks. This is an non-destructive replacement part. If you have a nice Mosin and want to preserve the wood stock, the ATI stock is a good choice. Be aware that the original wood covers the top of the barrel and the ATI does not. The barrel can get HOT! Watch your fingers.

I bought some sling swivels, a nylon sling, and a bunch of nylon webbing the same width as the sling. With some strap adjusters and slides, I connected it all together for a Ching Sling. The duct tape in the picture is just to control the excess webbing.

Next came the scary part, cutting the barrel. I enlisted the help of my father who, while not a gunsmith, is a retired millwright and so he knows his way around tools, metal, and mechanics. We watched some videos from Midway USA (thanks Larry Potterfield!) and talked about cutting and crowning the barrel. We made a test cut 2" back from the crown using a pipe cutter. DO NOT DO THIS! It squeezes the barrel.

After that, we knew we had to use the chop-saw. This was a problem because the barrel of the M-N tapers down. The cut needs to be perpendicular to the muzzle, so we had to do a lot of measuring and build a jig to hold the barrel so the saw came down true. We did another test cut to ensure we were good. It was perpendicular, so we made the final cut.

All the cuts totalled around 6". A M91/30 barrel is almost 29" long. My final barrel length is a shade over 22". The M44 carbine has a 20" barrel by comparison.

We crowned the barrel using Mr. Potterfield's method of a rounded carriage bolt with some polishing compound and a power drill. We used a Dremmel Tool and the polishing compound for the fine work. I also used the Dremmel and polishing compound to polish up the bolt and action to make everything run a little smoother.

This mount from Overstock.com (http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Mosin-Nagant-Rifle-Scope-Mount/2598296/product.html) replaced the original rear sight. Installation was easy, I popped out the pins holding the rear sight and slid the new mount in, tightening the screws to keep it from wobbling. This later became a huge issue.

I bought a BSA Edge Pistol Scope (http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/BSA-Edge-2-7x28mm-Pistol-Scope/4308427/product.html) (also from Overstock) after a few months of looking around. I did not want to spend too much on this project but the 7.62x54R round is a kicker and I didn't want a cheap NCStar falling apart on me. So I went the next level up and got the BSA.

I mounted the scope and took the rifle to the indoor range for a test fire. The mount wobbled. I tightened. It wobbled. I went home. I applied Loc-Tite. I tightened. I shot. It wobbled. I tightened. I stripped the threads of the mount. :banghead:

I know better than this. The mount is aluminum, the screws are steel. It was inevitable. Anyway, I went back to my dad's and drilled and tapped the rear sight brackets on the rifle and the aluminum mount. Inserted a bolt and nut to lock it down. The mount still wobbled forward! If you look in the picture in my post above (I will post some better detail pics later), you can see where my dad drilled and tapped the front end of the mount and braced it with a brass bolt.

I know, you are saying "The mount only costs $11.00, why not just get a new one?" It's a project rifle, I was trying to work though the problem. Also, I'm cheap. The mount is still FUBAR and ugly as heck so I probably will buy a new one eventually, but at least the wobble is gone and it shoots straight.

I have a few things I would still like to do. I want to buy an angled bolt handle (http://www.rocksolidind.com/Mosin%20Nagant.html) of the M-N sniper style, not to clear a scope mount, but for the increased leverage when operating the action. I will most likely replace the scope mount I am using now. That lesson has been learned and learned well. I have strange thoughts of glass bedding the rifle and reinforcing the stock then shaving it away to free float the barrel, but I am sure that these are delusions.

Well there it is, the Mosin-Bubba Scout Rifle.

tkcomer
November 9, 2010, 02:09 PM
Here's mine: http://www.pixagogo.com/5724124248 Click on a pic to make it bigger, then click on original at the top to blow that up.

dtvburns
November 9, 2010, 02:18 PM
Here is mine. 308 BLR with Nikon scope

Girodin
November 9, 2010, 03:13 PM
This rifle is Gabe Suarez's Kalashni-Scout. I am considering building one like it but I need to finish some other projects first.

http://www.onesourcetactical.com/images/products/detail/kalashniscout1.jpg

Here is a link to more info about the rifle and the concept informing his build.

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?66677-The-Kalashni-Scout

wombat13
November 9, 2010, 03:45 PM
Here is mine. 308 BLR with Nikon scope
Looks nice. I've been thinking about a BLR in .358 win with a red dot.

12guagecody
November 9, 2010, 08:07 PM
Has anyone set up an sks like a scout?

ironhead7544
November 9, 2010, 10:13 PM
If you want to build a cheap but effective scout I would recommend the No. 4 Enfield. XS Systems has an excellent scope mount that is a sleeve that goes over the barrel. Or to go cheaper the mount for a TC Contender can be put on the barrel. I used the TC mount on my first scout type rifle.
For a front sight on the shortened barrel the Marlin Camp Carbine sight works perfectly. For the rear sight get an "L" type sight and cut one of the peeps off so it folds out of the way when using the scope. The rifle already has a 10 shot magazine and the shortest bolt throw that allows really fast action with practice. A good trigger is fairly easy to do. Add the ATI stock and Ching sling and you are set.
Currently I have a stainless Ruger M77MKII in 308 set up as a scout type. Ill try to get some pics.

Jonny V
November 9, 2010, 11:55 PM
I'm doing the same thing you're doing, only with a Mauser instead of a MN. Actually, mine is a JC Higgins (Sears and Roebuck) branded FN Mauser 98 in 270 Win. I will not make weight as far as Cooper is concerned, and my barrel will be too long, although it is Coopers' preferred taper. The walnut stock is also probably not 'real' scout, as most would probably prefer a synthetic instead.

Anyway, my first purchases for this rifle are good quality steel receiver sights. I considered the Williams sight, but aluminum construction is not exactly confidence building for me. These antique steel sights (I have a Redfield model 70, and two Lyman 57 SME's) are very well made. They have nice micrometer adjustments and I even got some handy paperwork showing minutes converted into inches at given yardage distances with one of the Lyman sights. Anyway, the sights are the most important part of any weapon, and iron sights are woefully overlooked these days. Most people I've met don't know that you can even get good iron sights, or how to use them. FWIW, I got all the sights off of e-bay, and prices went from $33 to $37.50, to $51.

Next, I'm planning for the scout scope mounting, which I'm thinking will be the new Weaver 4x. A gunsmith I know is going to mount it on a custom made base that will attach to the front two (factory) scope mounting holes, and then to the (factory) rear sight base, so that it will be mounted forward of the receiver.

Rexster
November 10, 2010, 01:38 AM
Like dtvburns, I have a .308 BLR able to accept a scout-type forward scope mount. Other projects have precedence, however, such as the AR15 I just completed for carry at work, so I don't yet have the mount or IER scope. Being left-eye dominant, a lever scout makes sense, until the day I can afford a custom lefty bolt scout. Of course, I may decide I want to stay with the BLR platform.

Ryder
November 10, 2010, 05:35 AM
I've got an M1A Scout. Never attached a scope. This would be my brother shooting it -

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss194/torqaholic/Shooting/Geo-1.jpg

shooterer
November 10, 2010, 09:42 AM
Here is a pretty one.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=552282&highlight=scout

GunTech
November 10, 2010, 12:46 PM
The definitive scout, heavily influenced by Jeff Cooper's personal input:

http://guntech.com/steyr/styer-scout.jpg

BTW, is anyone is looking at an AK scout project, PM me. I have a NIB ultimak I'm not going to use.

Jonny V
November 10, 2010, 09:22 PM
Cooper pontificated endlessly on the need for quality back up iron sights, AND that the shooter should be well schooled and competent in their use. As a Marine who has read Cooper for nearly three decades now, I'm not all that sure that he even LIKED optics at all. Part of me thinks he included optics as some sort of favor to women shooters, and to people new to shooting who he knew, would be far less skilled than the shooters of his (and previous) generations.

Can't help but notice that the rifle above has no sights other than the scope.....:what:

AK103K
November 10, 2010, 09:54 PM
I have one of the early Savage Scouts. Its been a great rifle, and a lot more accurate than you would think for a rifle of its type. My only complaints have been the recoil pad (I hate them in general, but this one was sticky, making it even worse. I've since cut it down and its much better), and the cheesy B Square mount. The mount works, but I think I'd prefer something like Rugers #1/Frontier mounts.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7d700b3127ccec27f5a69194600000010O00CYuWbdo5bsQe3nwk/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/

I also had an M1A SOCOM set up as one, using both an Aimpoint and a scout scope. Worked OK, but really, isnt the gun gun for it. Springfield's mount sits to high, and is made of steel, which got very hot very quick. The rail was also not "Picatinny", and would not accept my LaRue lever mount, and none of my ARMS mounts would stay tight on it. If I were to do anther M1A, I'd go with a standard rifle using the type of the rail GunTech has on his.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7d700b3127ccec27f63eb594000000010O00CYuWbdo5bsQe3nwk/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7d700b3127ccec27e0811b86b00000010O00CYuWbdo5bsQe3nwk/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/

I also have a couple of AK's set up with forward mounted red dots. I thought about trying a scope, but decided against it. Just wasnt as handy or natural to shoot with. The Aimponts on the other hand, are the way to go, and there really is nothing better. Fast and natural to shoulder and shoot with, and you always have the iron sights instantly available.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8d624b3127ccec49fb25824e800000040O00CYuWbdo5bsQe3nwk/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/

12guagecody
November 11, 2010, 01:18 AM
johnnyv the jeff cooper steyr scout has folding peep sights.

Jonny V
November 11, 2010, 08:36 AM
:confused:That's what I thought....

Ian
November 11, 2010, 08:51 AM
Here's mine - a Burris pistol scope on a .308 tanker M1.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=119874&d=1271808040

gunnutery
November 11, 2010, 06:39 PM
Nice Garand Ian!

TheWarhammer
November 11, 2010, 07:08 PM
Ultimak rails with forward dot sights are one of the best additions you can make to an AKM. I've been thinking about trying a pistol scope with a little magnification, just for kicks.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/rlkeely/IMGP3109.jpg

dc.fireman
November 11, 2010, 08:45 PM
Cooper pontificated endlessly on the need for quality back up iron sights, AND that the shooter should be well schooled and competent in their use. As a Marine who has read Cooper for nearly three decades now, I'm not all that sure that he even LIKED optics at all. Part of me thinks he included optics as some sort of favor to women shooters, and to people new to shooting who he knew, would be far less skilled than the shooters of his (and previous) generations.

Can't help but notice that the rifle above has no sights other than the scope.....:what:
Johnny -

The sights are there - they fold down, as they don't co-witness to the IER scope...

Jonny V
November 11, 2010, 09:09 PM
So the sight radius is limited to the plastic parts of this weapon? We can't even have a full length sight radius? Is this fold-down sight a peep sight (adjustable for windage and elevation with micrometer repeatable stops)? Or, is just some fold-down semi-buckhorn thing that you have to beat on with a hammer to adjust?

Coopers' ranting about back up irons wasn't so that people would have the cheapest possible back up sights. The 'back up' irons were meant to be the equivalent of the optical sight. This means that you could be reasonably sure of making any shot you were going to take with either set of sights.

I've only seen that rifle (in the picture) in pictures. I've never handled one. Lord knows I've shoved my foot in my mouth so many times that it almost tastes good these days........However.......

12guagecody
November 12, 2010, 03:00 AM
Update
so i found a russian m44 at a local pawn shop in pretty good shape, dated 1946. talked them down to 125 and put it on layaway. cant wait to get the gun and start tweaking it!!

Molasses
November 13, 2010, 08:10 PM
Update
so i found a russian m44 at a local pawn shop in pretty good shape, dated 1946. talked them down to 125 and put it on layaway. cant wait to get the gun and start tweaking it!!

Had one of the scope bases that replaces the rear sight on a Polish version of one of those for a while, complete with one of the cheap 2X pistol scopes on it. Always intended to pull that whole front sight/bayonet assembly off and see what it did for weight/balance. Ended up going back to the open rear sight first. Have fun with yours!

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Regarding the earlier discussion vis-a-vis the irons on the Steyr Scout, the front is adjustable for windage and the rear for elevation (need a small screwdriver). Haven't messed with them much other than to zero a little high at 100 soon after getting the rifle, at which point they were folded and have pretty much stayed that way until picture time today. Here:

jpwilly
November 13, 2010, 09:06 PM
Mint 1946 M44 Cutdown added AK74 muzzlebreak to tame the beast. muzzle flash is impressive :eek: concussion to shooter next to me :mad: not so great! Can o Krylon paint on ATI stock, NcStar 2-7x32mm IR scope (works well)...

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/DSC_0055-1.jpg

dmancornell
November 13, 2010, 09:18 PM
M1A Scout with an Aimpoint. Mag pouch doubles as a cheek riser.

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv257/dmancornell/64315_811068779505_407681_44600687_7634667_n.jpg

12guagecody
November 13, 2010, 10:12 PM
seeing some great rifles

Palehorseman
November 14, 2010, 12:47 AM
I am cheap (read as frugal) henceforth, cheap scout rifles. Love the fast handling quality of them.


http://hstrial-rchambers.homestead.com/early.html#

35 Whelen
December 16, 2010, 03:08 AM
Here's one I built some 20 years ago.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/FR-8/FR-8-1.jpg

It started life as an FR-8...is still in the original chamberng of 308. Can't say enough good about it. IMHO, backup iron sights are a MUST...otherwise, it's not a real Scout Rifle.:neener:

She shoots about like this:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/FR-8/FR8groups1a-1.jpg

And lest ye she's just another pretty face, here's a few "shots" of what she's done over the years:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/BuckScout.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/Emilysdeer02-5.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/FR8andhog-1.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/Doewithcastbullet.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/GregsBuck-Dumont03crop.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/EmilysBuck11-035.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/Emilysdeer02-2.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/GregsDeer043.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/Emilysbuck11-052a-1.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/PB280045red.jpg

...and from this year.:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/IMG_0008.jpg

35W

BIG45-70
December 16, 2010, 07:12 AM
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5250/dsc01704.jpg

Here's my Marlin 1895 scout rifle.

langloisandy
December 16, 2010, 07:22 AM
Gents,

Pop on over to the Scout Forum if you are into these cool rifles, www.scoutrifle.org

Regards,

Andy

chicharrones
December 16, 2010, 09:20 AM
That is a really nice example of a scout rifle and exactly the type I would want. What kind of scope is that and are you satisfied with the eye relief when shouldering the rifle?

Here's one I built some 20 years ago. It started life as an FR-8
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/FR8andhog-1.jpg

tominct
December 16, 2010, 04:51 PM
Jonnyv...........Actually, if you go back and read Cooper's book, he talks about placing the front sight post at the front of the scope mount. His opinion was that the 11" or so sight radius was sufficient for field use, and he mentioned that he wasn't very fond of the way a standard front sight could get caught in brush or high weeds.

Remember, he was fully aware that some compromises had to be made, since no rifle produced at the time contained every one of the features he considered ideal, i.e. the magazine disconnect.

My own Scout, a remmy Model 7 in 7mm-'08, is very close to his description, but lacks back-up irons and doesn't quite make weight.

SharpsDressedMan
December 16, 2010, 06:17 PM
I may be wrong, but I think Cooper's plan was to have the optic and mount as part of the total 3Kg weight goal. If that is true, then there are very few scouts that meet that criteria.

35 Whelen
December 16, 2010, 10:25 PM
That is a really nice example of a scout rifle and exactly the type I would want. What kind of scope is that and are you satisfied with the eye relief when shouldering the rifle?

The scope is one of the original Burris Scout scopes in 2.75X. I am extremely satisfied with the entire rig. It is hands-down my "go-to" or "...if I could only have one rifle..." rifle.
I've been firing typical scoped, bolt action rifles for about 35 of my 47 years, so the eye relief took a little, and I mean just a little, getting used to, but quick target acquisition quickly became second nature for me. Also, in having taught four of my kids to shoot, the Scout set up with the forward eye relief scope was much, much easier to teach with. My oldest daughter, beginning at age 11, had zero trouble getting used to the scout set up unlike with the standard scope set up. I know we've all seen new shooters sliding their heads up and down a stock trying to get a full field of view. I will say that I had a Scout set up on a different rifle on which I had mounted a Nikon handgun scope. I found it a bit more difficult to use than the Burris.
Remember, a Scout rifle was never intended to replace a pure hunting rifle (although mine pretty much has), but rather be a practical, all around rifle. I lump my Scout rifle and a solid, pump 12 ga. shotgun with a modified choke into the same catagory: Neither is perfect for any one task, but with either, you can do just about anything.
35W

tominct
December 17, 2010, 08:16 AM
SharpsDressedMan, you're right. I could easily get mine below 3 kg. But it would involve spending several hundred bucks on a Kevlar stock. Not able to do that right now.

1040
December 18, 2010, 04:06 PM
Here is the Lever Action Scout I just sold. 18.5" barrel. Very handy and quick, but "felt" heavier than what I thought it should.

hangman7
December 19, 2010, 03:07 PM
Kinda long but it shoots good

SharpsDressedMan
December 19, 2010, 03:46 PM
I guess this COULD be considered a "scout rifle" of sorts. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05447.jpg

AK103K
December 19, 2010, 04:03 PM
I guess this COULD be considered a "scout rifle" of sorts.
Sure, why not? They actually probably fit the overall description more than most others.

While I also find the red dot to be more appropriate, and that goes for more things than not these days, you can easily pop a scout scope with lever rings on the Ultimak if you felt the need.

35 Whelen
December 19, 2010, 04:21 PM
I think one of the most critical criteria of the Scout rifle is the caliber. Please allow me to paraphrase so as not to break the rules of this forum:

The Scout Rifle Conferences held under the auspices of Jeff Cooper defined the scout rifle as a general purpose rifle suitable for taking targets of up to about 880 pounds at ranges limited to the shooters visibilty, or a little over 300 yards.
Continuing:
The caliber of such rifles likewise has been set at .308 Winchester (7.62 x 51 mm). or something like a 7mm-08. Some O.K. the .243 Winchester for frail individuals or where "military" calibers are proscribed." (Anyone who prescribes a .243 for an 880 lb. animal at 330 yds. is, well, silly)

Concerning accuracy:
It should be capable of shooting into 2 minutes of angle or less (4") at 200 yards/meters (3 shot groups).

I'll stick my neck out and say that this last criteria will eliminate many, many rifles. I think what happens is gunny people mount a scope forward of the receiver and call the rifle a Scout rifle. This is fine, it's their rifle and they should be able to call it what they wish. But as seen above, there's far more to a Scout rifle than a forward mounted scope. But then again, I guess mine's not exactly what Cooper described...

I'd suggest a trip to the Scout rifle forum and read why the Scout rifle was conceived and how it was envisioned to be used.
Just my 2...
35W

CMC
December 20, 2010, 11:54 AM
Browning Lever action takedown in 308 with a Leupold Scout scope.

goon
December 20, 2010, 02:17 PM
Glad the OP asked the question. This has been an informative thread. I've only owned one scout, a Savage version. It was a very decent little rifle that would shoot groups under an inch at 100 yards with handloads.
When I get another at some point, I want it to have a more "military" heritage. I think a Mauser action with the charger guide still attached is a better choice. Maybe you never will need to reload it quickly, but if you do, stripper clips are faster than thumbing them in one at a time and make detachable magazines unnecessary. I'm thinking an FR-8 will be a good place to start.

Crowcifier666
March 29, 2011, 08:28 PM
This is my 10/22 scout. First stab at the concept and really like how she handles. Looking to do my Mini 14 the same way. Anyone got an Ultimak?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e312/BringerODeth/IMG_0867.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e312/BringerODeth/IMG_0876.jpg

sarge1967
April 8, 2011, 06:51 PM
OK I have to ask: How much paracord did it take to make the sling in that picture above?

3006mv
April 9, 2011, 12:05 AM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a99/3006mv/PICT0280.jpg

451 Detonics
April 9, 2011, 12:12 AM
My Marlin...

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/rifles/336marlin.jpg

WardenWolf
April 9, 2011, 01:35 AM
You know, a Saiga .308 (converted or not) could be a fine scout rifle. Just about ideal, truth be told. It's short, fairly lightweight, hard-hitting, accurate, has iron sights, and is easily scoped.

natescout
April 9, 2011, 07:34 PM
my scout

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm10/natesyz250/natespics048.jpg

Malamute
April 9, 2011, 08:30 PM
35 Whelen
Member

I think one of the most critical criteria of the Scout rifle is the caliber. Please allow me to paraphrase so as not to break the rules of this forum:

The Scout Rifle Conferences held under the auspices of Jeff Cooper defined the scout rifle as a general purpose rifle suitable for taking targets of up to about 880 pounds at ranges limited to the shooters visibilty, or a little over 300 yards.
Continuing:
The caliber of such rifles likewise has been set at .308 Winchester (7.62 x 51 mm). or something like a 7mm-08. Some O.K. the .243 Winchester for frail individuals or where "military" calibers are proscribed." (Anyone who prescribes a .243 for an 880 lb. animal at 330 yds. is, well, silly)

Concerning accuracy:
It should be capable of shooting into 2 minutes of angle or less (4") at 200 yards/meters (3 shot groups).

I'll stick my neck out and say that this last criteria will eliminate many, many rifles. I think what happens is gunny people mount a scope forward of the receiver and call the rifle a Scout rifle. This is fine, it's their rifle and they should be able to call it what they wish. But as seen above, there's far more to a Scout rifle than a forward mounted scope. But then again, I guess mine's not exactly what Cooper described...

I'd suggest a trip to the Scout rifle forum and read why the Scout rifle was conceived and how it was envisioned to be used.
Just my 2...
35W


Cooper also commented that a scope wasnt even a requirement for a scout. The concept is more of power, size and weight, as a handy general purpose gun. He wrote on a number of occasions that there were currently no self loaders that he felt were applicable to the concept, as they didnt make weight, size or caliber in combination. There are many psuedo scouts, many fine in their own way, just not true scouts as the concept was conceived.

This is as close to the orginal concept as I own. Perhaps not as close as some, but likely closer than most that are called "scout".

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/IMG_0473.jpg


.

Averageman
April 9, 2011, 10:49 PM
My Scout.
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/Averageman1/new870andmy336001-1.jpg
I paid $150 a piece for both of those guns and saved them from the undignified wall rack in a pawn shop.
Thay love me for it.

1stmarine
April 19, 2011, 01:28 AM
This could be one.... Light, it folds, Accurate, reliable, made in the USA....

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z327/fotoeiro/30%20cal%20bullets/100_5938.jpg

A saiga .308 in 16" original is light, powerful, super reliable and this one is very accurate.
Unconverted above, converted below...

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z327/fotoeiro/30%20cal%20bullets/100_5955.jpg

blarby
April 19, 2011, 02:06 AM
The first gets me the second.

bcp280z
April 19, 2011, 04:09 AM
I thought one of the goals of a scout rifle was irons, or is it just a scope placed forward on the gun?

Sorry I'm not a rifle guy, yet, but I drool over the Ruger Gunsite Scout, but that lever gun has me thinkin...


Nevermind wrote before I read..

Badlander
April 19, 2011, 05:19 PM
Don't know if this qualifys but it's as close as I have.

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/Gaterskiner/P1010002-2.jpg


http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/Gaterskiner/P1010004-3.jpg


It will kill anything I am likly to encounter!

ECVMatt
April 19, 2011, 10:40 PM
Badlander,

Like the Skinner Sights! Those are great.

Danny Creasy
April 20, 2011, 12:50 AM
VZ 24 Mauser action, Douglas barrel, Choat stock, Timney trigger, and a Burris 2.75X scout scope riding in Burris rings on a Burris scout mount.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/sheffieldshootr/45ScoutMauser-3.jpg

Cron
April 20, 2011, 05:52 PM
Here's my version, a 1894c. It won't make 2 moa at 200 yards but in Missouri it will seldom be necessary.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/RonJ_2006/013.jpg

Badlander
April 20, 2011, 06:24 PM
Cron
What scope is that?

Cron
April 20, 2011, 06:51 PM
Badlander, it'll be hard to find. It's an old Japanese Tasco Pro Class 2x22 with a lighted reticle.

lg&m
April 20, 2011, 08:09 PM
Natescout, I would like to rear more about your rifle. I can't make out what it is based on.

bkdyson
April 20, 2011, 10:08 PM
Here is the Scout I just started building. I,ve wanted to do one for a while now, Ive got a numbers matched SMLE and really did'nt want to cut it up so I shopped around and found a Santa Fe Carbine for $150.00 then Got started.

Here is what I started with:

140844

And here where I am so far:

140845

I hand milled a rear sight mount to fit in place of the original rear sight so I did'nt have to alter the receiver. Then used Tech- Sights, which I had previosly mounted on another project, because they were the type of sight I wanted and I think they are quality products. I used an A2 style .308 flash hider and an ATI stock. I plan on installing a Clifton/XS scout scope mount and I will use a Clear Point 3x24 Red Dot Sight for my first optic choice. Cash flow Has become a little tight so I,ll range test this one as it is and get the iron sights dialed in. It was a fun build and I look forward to completing, and updating as needed, this rifle. I'll keep you posted.

Bob Dyson ;<}
Bethlehem, New Hampshire

ECVMatt
April 21, 2011, 12:58 PM
From another site I post on:

This is a follow up to my original thread posted here:

http://rugerforum.net/ruger-bolt-action/31410-first-impressions-my-ruger-gsr-i-finally-got-shoot.html

I now have about 350 rounds through the rifle with no problems related to the rifle. I have found it is very accurate and recoil appears to be on the mild side.

I have added a scope and finally got to shoot it for some groups. The scope has proved to be a challenge because I am used to a high magnification/fine cross hair varmint type scope. The scope is a standard Leupold Scout scope with heavy duplex. I am really warming up to this type of scope however. It is very fast and provided and good sight picture.

So I headed up to my range north of LA. I belong to a hunting club and we have a couple of trap ranges and a rifle range on our property so this provides a quiet and relaxed place to shoot.

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/bench.jpg

I got the rifle on paper at 50 yards and then moved back to 100. It was challenging for me to shoot at this distance because of the low magnification and the heavy duplex reticle. Here is a picture of a typical 100 yard group:

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/100c.jpg

I then came up with an idea to shoot a little bit tighter groups. I would first split the pie or cut the circle into four even pieces in the scope. Then I would cover the red dot in the center with the cross hairs and press the trigger. This is my best group using that method:

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/100b.jpg

I realize that this is not how the rifle was intended to be shot, but I need to confirm my zero and make sure my load was grouping correctly.

Here is a comparison shot of the two groups for perspective:

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/100a.jpg

Next I went to 25 yards (top) and shot as quickly as possible from a low ready position and then moved back to the 50 yard line (bottom) and did it again. Here are the groups:

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/CloseRange.jpg

The one thing I learned from this is that beyond 25 yards, I need some type of rest or position change to hit. At 50 I knelled down and used a pipe for support. Although it slowed me down a bit, I was able to hit the target with much better accuracy. I have a lot of practicing to do.

Finally I loaded up the rifle and went for a walk to check the back fence to see if anyone has been coming on to our property. It took about an hour and I enjoyed hefting the rifle. It carries well for me and is easy to carry through the light bush we have up there. Here are some random shots I took of the rifle on this walk:

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/GSR3-1.jpg

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/GSR2-1.jpg

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/GSR1-1.jpg

Final thoughts:

C-Products mags continue to suck. Do not buy them or any from the new company. They have bugs.

Muzzle blast is a non issue. It is not louder than the other two rifles I was shooting yesterday.

Accuracy is very good. With a conventional scope it would be possible to shoot some great groups. Don't believe the "Ruger's Can't Shoot" myth.

Overall this is a great little rifle and works exactly how I hoped it would. It is prefect for protecting my rural property and it very fun to shoot.

Hope this was informative.

Matt

BP Hunter
April 21, 2011, 02:36 PM
Nice Ruger Gunsite scout! I was waiting for somebody to add that in this thread. I have been eyeing that scout.

KodiakBeer
April 21, 2011, 03:08 PM
I went through the long eye relief scope phase and they work, but they also get banged around because they're stuck out there on the barrel. I got my @zz chewed up pretty bad by a brown bear a dozen years ago and decided I wanted Coopers Lion Scout in .350 Rem Mag. Well, try finding a Remington 600 in .350 in Alaska - people pass them down to their grandkids like they're family heirlooms. They're an icon in Alaska...

It was cheaper to get the Remington custom shop to build my own, so I ordered the rifle below. It's a model 7 in .350 with a laminated stock and iron sights. I ordered a Mannlicher stock because I wanted some weight forward. I put a traditional 1x5 Burris on it because of the issue noted above - constantly banging the scope in alder thickets. The traditional scope is more protected and if I keep it at 1X, I can snap-shoot just like a scout scope.

Other than the scope, it's entirely inspired by Coopers Lion Scout.

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac164/kodiakbeer/350.jpg

husker
April 21, 2011, 03:37 PM
opps

Agmundr
April 21, 2011, 11:39 PM
Man, there are some FANTASTIC weapons on here! I've been debating what to get as my first rifle, and I'm definitely getting some great ideas. I'll be sure to check out that other site that was mentioned when I get done with work as well :)

Col. Plink
April 22, 2011, 11:01 AM
Will be joining this thread with pics of my VZ-24 scout scoped with a 2-7x pistol scope next week!

bigmike45
April 22, 2011, 01:51 PM
Yes,
I set my SKS up scout style and love it. I used a Burris EER Pistol Scope and it works great.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/mike_seale/sksmodified1.jpg

12guagecody
April 22, 2011, 02:25 PM
bigmike how much does your sks weigh all set up like that?

jiminhobesound
April 22, 2011, 10:59 PM
What is the purpose of a "scout rifle"? I can understand it as a cheap way to mount a scope on mosins but why do it to a perfectly good gun that will take a regular scope?

35 Whelen
April 22, 2011, 11:18 PM
What is the purpose of a "scout rifle"? I can understand it as a cheap way to mount a scope on mosins but why do it to a perfectly good gun that will take a regular scope?


Are you not familiar with the Scout Rifle concept? The scope is mounted forward for a specific reason. Go here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=581082&highlight=Scout then to Post #16 for a general explaination of Scout Rifles. The scope is mounted forwardso that the user of the rifle can see through the scope and still have the ability to see what's going on around him. And by the way, the mount you'll see on my rifle really isn't cheap...$80 if I recall correctly.
35W

Kevin Rohrer
September 4, 2011, 03:35 AM
Here is my Sako-action, .308 Scout. It has a 20" Douglas barrel, Hi-Tech Specialties stock (Kevlar, S2 fiberglass, and carbon fiber), Decelerator buttpad, and Burris 2 3/4 power Scout Scope. The barreled action has been hard-chromed and bead-blasted so it is impervious to the weather and doesn't reflect light. The Ching Sling is held in-place w/ Pachmayr flush sling swivels. It makes weight and length. I need to take a better picture of it.

DVC

http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/KevinRohrer/Reloading/IMG_0220.jpg

Kevin Rohrer
September 4, 2011, 03:42 AM
I can understand it as a cheap way to mount a scope on mosins but why do it to a perfectly good gun that will take a regular scope?

Another reason for the Scout Scope is that since the Scout is a tactical rifle, you can quickly reload a bolt-action Scout by running your hand down the rear of the scope that is inline w/ the front of the receiver opening and load shells w/o having to look. Or so the Colonel once said as he demonstrated the procedure to me.

DVC

83Enforcer
October 20, 2011, 01:39 PM
Ruger GSR
Armilite A2 FH
Burris 1.5x scout scope
Burris Medium Z Rings
5 rd Accurat Mags
OC Super sling


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/caneyforkoutfitters/rgsr1-2.jpg


M96 Swedish mauser 6.5x55
XS scout mount
Burris 2x pistol scope
Burris medium Z Rings
Allen adjustable Hasty sling

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/caneyforkoutfitters/CIMG1037.jpg

Sweden
October 20, 2011, 02:37 PM
My suppressed scout lever action. Marlin 336 in 30-30, XS Sights and mount, Leupold 2.5x28 IER in Quick Release rings, UltraFlex Sling. :D


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh192/SQRSaab/Weapons/delete013.jpg

jeepnik
October 20, 2011, 06:25 PM
You know, Cooper is credited with coming up with the "Scout Rifle" concept. But lets face it, leverguns were "Scout" rifles long before Cooper was a gleem in his daddy's eye. Here's my take.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f271/Jeepnik/GUNS/MarlinSlingButtCuff.jpg

Badlander
October 20, 2011, 09:41 PM
My most recent project 16" Marlin 336SC.. Is it A scout?
It's close..
http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/Gaterskiner/1956%20Marlin%20336%20SC/P1010002-4.jpg

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