Xm193 - Differences


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cbrgator
November 8, 2010, 06:08 PM
Can anyone tell me the difference between Federal XM193F and Federal American Eagle XM193?

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AFED223XM193&groupid=21

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AFED223B100&groupid=21

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matrem
November 8, 2010, 07:22 PM
I do not know for sure, but I have shot some of each, and I think it's simply a matter of packaging / marketing.

HKGuns
November 8, 2010, 07:26 PM
The package.

Jenrick
November 8, 2010, 07:52 PM
The first one is packed on 10 round stripper clips. You'll need a stripper clip guide.

-Jenrick

S. Hill
November 8, 2010, 08:16 PM
The Federal XM193F ammunition uses cryo treated bullets.

The "F" stands for "Frozen", and the treatment is used to modify the molecular structure of the bullet cores. If you were to dissect one of the "Non-F" bullets and look at it under an electron spectrograph, you would see how the cannelure has impacted the sub-strata of the projectile's core, inducing eddies and swirls that decrease the uniformity from one bullet to the next. Chilling the bullets to -400 deg. F reshapes the crystalline lattice into a much more consistent pattern.

You can expect only normal accuracy from the American Eagle ammo, but the XM193F will always shoot one hole groups at 600 yards (the mil spec test distance). It is unfortunate that governmental budget constraints have limited the issue of this ammo to our military forces. Only qualified sniper teams are given this loading, and they are not even allowed to practice with it.... they must use it only in actual overseas "tactical" operations.

Consider yourself lucky that you even have the opportunity to get your hands on some of this rare "F" fantastic ammunition. :neener:

M1key
November 8, 2010, 08:56 PM
:scrutiny::scrutiny::scrutiny:

Dionysusigma
November 8, 2010, 09:33 PM
psst... :neener::D

Maverick223
November 8, 2010, 09:36 PM
Yep, packaging is the only difference, as seen here (http://www.federalpremium.com/resources/xm193.aspx) from the horse's mouth. FWIW, I prefer the 20rnd. boxes if I can get it at a similar price because it dispenses the perfect magazine quantity for me...folks that use 30s (or other quantities) may not see any benefit.

:)

Hatterasguy
November 8, 2010, 10:00 PM
No difference, the Federal can come on stripper clips which is kind of gimmicky.

Although at the Appleseed I found them EXTREMELY useful! During the AQT's I was always loaded first and didn't have to mess around.

medalguy
November 8, 2010, 10:51 PM
Don't you just love the notation on the Federal spec sheet that saye "manufactured to military visual standards"? What does that mean? It LOOKS like USGI ammo? :o:o

Dulvarian
November 8, 2010, 11:16 PM
+1 medalguy.

I prefer PRVI 69 and 75gr match. And speaking of packaging... I ordered 400 rounds of it, and it came in Wolf Match boxes. Same case markings, exact same POI compared to the PRVI (That's what I am loaded with, and what I sighted in with).

I can shoot the 55gr NATO stuff, but shortly after 100 yards (sometimes a little less, on colder days, for whatever reason) I keyhole with my SIG. Up to 100 yards though, it is perfect.

Z-Michigan
November 8, 2010, 11:41 PM
the Federal can come on stripper clips which is kind of gimmicky.

Not really. If you have a 99 cent "spoon" for loading, it lets you load a 30 round mag in under 10 seconds. Unfortunately those spoons come only in full cases and I believe are mostly discarded by any of our troops who use them in the military.

Maverick223
November 9, 2010, 01:42 AM
What does that mean? It LOOKS like USGI ammo?It means that unlike commercial grade ammunition they *didn't* take the time to polish off the annealed neck. ;) That said, I don't really care what it looks like, or whether it is produced to mil-standards or not...it has been both reliable and reasonably accurate in my rifle, and that is good enough for me.

:)

killchain
November 9, 2010, 03:12 AM
It's Lake City runoff, essentially.

HorseSoldier
November 9, 2010, 06:56 AM
I wonder how much 55 grain Lake City is still producing at all? I don't think even the lowest priority Guard or Reserve units haven't upgraded to at least M16A2s at this point -- and with 62 grain production being sourced from all over (including Israel and S Korea) I'd think not much production capacity can be reserved for M193.

Maverick223
November 9, 2010, 09:02 AM
I'd think not much production capacity can be reserved for M193.That's probably why there is so much left for us. :D

cbrgator
November 9, 2010, 03:10 PM
For the price, I'll take 55gr no problem.

Hatterasguy
November 9, 2010, 09:19 PM
Not really. If you have a 99 cent "spoon" for loading, it lets you load a 30 round mag in under 10 seconds. Unfortunately those spoons come only in full cases and I believe are mostly discarded by any of our troops who use them in the military.

For range use they are pointless, unless you are fighting a war or in a competition you don't need to load a mag in 10 seconds.

I have a bunch of the loaders, 3 come in each 900 round case.

cbrgator
November 10, 2010, 03:52 PM
I see no need for stripper clips. I was more curious a to the differences between the ammo itself but it appears there is none.

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