Remington 700 CDL vs. Winchester 70 Sporter


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fnslpmark112
November 10, 2010, 04:35 PM
Which do you think is the better deer hunting rifle? Why?

1. Safety - two position vs. three position
2. CRF vs. Push feed
3. Accuracy
4. Trigger - MOA vs X Mark Pro
5. Stock
6. Workmanship, fit and finish
7. Mag release - inside trigger vs. outside trigger
8. Bolt handle shape and feel
9. Anything else that comes to mind.

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Mr_Pale_Horse
November 10, 2010, 05:44 PM
I choose the M70 based on 1 and 2

robertbartsc
November 10, 2010, 06:56 PM
My Winchester M70 is a well designed machine. My Remington M700 shot much better groups, however.

USSR
November 10, 2010, 07:14 PM
1. Safety - two position vs. three position
No question here - Winchester 3 position.
2. CRF vs. Push feed
Not a big concern. I have both PF's and CRF's. Whatever.
3. Accuracy
Accuracy is on a rifle-by-rifle basis. Ya takes your chances.
4. Trigger - MOA vs X Mark Pro
Not familiar with these 2 new triggers.
5. Stock
Important - Which one fits you better?
6. Workmanship, fit and finish
Have heard good things regarding the FN produced rifles.
7. Mag release - inside trigger vs. outside trigger
Outside release - Inside is a PITA.
8. Bolt handle shape and feel
Winchester by a mile.
9. Anything else that comes to mind.
Back to #5 - Pick the rifle that fits you best.

Don

Uncle Mike
November 10, 2010, 07:15 PM
6 of one and a half dozen of the other....

Both are about the same concerning workmanship, the nod goes to the Model 700 for durability, if only in a small way. The Winchester safety [lever] have been known to break fairly easily if hit against something hard. Some folks prefer the 3 position safety over the non bolt locking Remington safety.

CRF vs. Pushfeed...no problem with either style of feed, IMHO. In the days of old, when ammo was not as well crafted as it is today, in a dusty and or dangerous environment such as Africa or if in extreme cold, the CRF may get the nod but...

Accuracy, both have proved to be comparable, with the model 70 slightly ahead of the model 700, problem is getting a model 700 that will both shoot moa, and not have any issues we are seeing with the 700's today.

Triggers, the MOA trigger is certainly more robust, and less critical to dirt and moisture. Both 'feel' good, for what they are.

The rest is up to the particular individual, with neither model better or worse than the other.

Kachok
November 10, 2010, 07:48 PM
Skip them both and get a Savage LOL naw just kidding. I gatta give the nod to the new M70. Why? Because it is a sexy beast. They intagrated alot of small improvements on the new Model 70. Fully adjusttable trigger, a good recoil pad (THANK GOD!!) an old/new again flat bottom receiver, and a a barrel that does not touch the stock, something that remington should have learned to do a long time ago. The only thing that looks sweeter then the 70 is the X-bolt white gold.........DROOL. I cannot afford either right now so I will just keep making tiny little clovers with my Savages and my Tikka:). All of them are much more accurate then any rifle ever need to be, and none of them have ever given me one seconds worth of trouble although the Savages are all ugly as sin LOL

Uncle Mike
November 10, 2010, 09:02 PM
Skip them both and get a Savage

That's the best advice anybody could have given the guy!

Justin Holder
November 11, 2010, 12:45 AM
Quote:
Skip them both and get a Savage
That's the best advice anybody could have given the guy!

Especially if he needs a good snake stick.

Kachok
November 11, 2010, 02:05 AM
I just bought my third Savage. They are ugly as a deep fried turd, but their downrange performance is a thing of beauty. I recomend them to anyone looking for a budget super gun. None of my 700s or my 70 would match my 110 or my 93 on the range. That said I want a new 70 Sporter so bad. It is plenty accurate enough for hunting and it looks and feels like a million bucks. I had a light walnut 700 CDL once too, it was a beautyful gun, sadly it was defective from the factory though, would not chamber a round :(

HOOfan_1
November 11, 2010, 02:12 AM
Bolt handle on the M700 is my favorite of all the bolts I have handled. I really like the way the safety flicks off on the 700 too.

gglass
November 11, 2010, 11:08 AM
I would choose the 700 based on personal experience. I own two 70's and one 700, but the 700 is the only one I've bragged about on the forums. I've never had a single issue with either platform, but the 700 just plain out shoots either model 70 hands down. I've shot a personal best 0.133 MOA group from my 700, but my model 70's are having a good day if they can get in under the MOA wire.

joed
November 11, 2010, 11:34 AM
I've owned several by each manufacturer. I've found each to be accurate and would have a tough time deciding between the 2.

Every model 70 I've owned has been well made with no issues. I can say the same for Remington.

Remington seems to be more popular but I wouldn't decide on that alone. In fact I'd be tempted to choose the model 70 because you don't see them every day.

My advice is go out and handle the 2 rifles in the store and base your decision on what feels better to you.

Maverick223
November 11, 2010, 12:12 PM
1. Safety - two position vs. three position
Three position is my preference.
2. CRF vs. Push feed
One works just as well as the other...UNLESS you are using the rifle for dangerous game, in which case the nod goes to the CRF.
3. Accuracy
Probably not a big difference, but the M-70s seem to be more consistent (at least WRT the recent production ones).
4. Trigger - MOA vs X Mark Pro
Both are pretty decent for a hunting rifle.
5. Stock
Both fit me well, both have good recoil pads, and neither are the best looking IMO. I prefer the stock on the M-70 Featherweight to both.
6. Workmanship, fit and finish
The Winchester by a fair margin.
7. Mag release - inside trigger vs. outside trigger
Either works fine for me.
8. Bolt handle shape and feel
I prefer the Winchester, but both work fine.
9. Anything else that comes to mind.
The Savage is a good rifle, but I prefer the Winchester, it isn't nearly as ugly and is more than accurate enough to complete the job it applied for.

:)

Mr. T
November 11, 2010, 05:57 PM
Remington Model 700.

fnslpmark112
November 11, 2010, 06:47 PM
I ended up going with the Winchester 70 SS Extreme. I liked the fact that the safety locks the bolt, I liked the free floated barrel, and I mostly like the fact that it is CRF. Remington is a very nice gun though.

WYcoyote
November 11, 2010, 08:39 PM
FWIW I think you made the right choice. The "Rifleman's Rifle".

Maverick223
November 11, 2010, 10:48 PM
I don't know that there is a "right choice" (except for perhaps one of each!) but that certainly is a nice rifle you picked up.

:)

joed
November 12, 2010, 06:39 AM
I ended up going with the Winchester 70 SS Extreme. I liked the fact that the safety locks the bolt, I liked the free floated barrel, and I mostly like the fact that it is CRF. Remington is a very nice gun though.

You did well and chose a good one. My friend bought a Remington a few months ago, I was not impressed with the stock as it touches the barrel. For as long as Remington has been in business they've learned nothing about a free floated stock.

And I just bought the same gun in stainless last week. I'll be replacing the stock. Looked at Winchester but they don't have a heavy barreled rifle anymore.

Maverick223
November 12, 2010, 12:12 PM
Looked at Winchester but they don't have a heavy barreled rifle anymore.The M-70 Stealth has a heavy bbl (though it is only available in .308Win. as best as I can tell; formerly offered in .223Rem.). There is also the FNH SPRs, they are essentially the same rifle, but with hvy. bbl and tactical stock. That is not to say that you make a poor choice, the aftermarket on the Remmy is much better, so you have more options for improvement/additions/accessories down the road.

:)

joed
November 12, 2010, 03:31 PM
The M-70 Stealth has a heavy bbl (though it is only available in .308Win. as best as I can tell; formerly offered in .223Rem.).

The Stealth is no longer available, I was looking to see if I could get one in .22-250. I have one of the Stealths in .308 that I bought when it was announced they were closing the plant. So far 80 rounds though it. I was thinking of having it rebarreled in .22-250 but decided against it.

Maverick223
November 12, 2010, 04:10 PM
The Stealth is no longer availableThey brought it back in both .223Rem. (discontinued as best as I can tell) and .308Win., and used the CRF platform this time around. It is still on their website, though that doesn't necessarily mean that they are still in production. Even if not, the FNH SPR is still in production, and is the same rifle (though it was a bit more costly last I checked).

:)

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