EoTech for AR-15 opinions?


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AR27
November 11, 2010, 04:40 PM
Hi everyone, I am considering getting an Eotech for my AR, my brother had one on his but recently sold it to use irons, he said it was a great sight but wanted to get back to basics. This is actually his highroad account. I want to get one for my AR and wanted to know what the highroad community thinks of them, to get a second opinion from a good source. I found one on ebay and i think its a good deal for the price considering my brothers sold for 400 and the seller is near me.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150518267114&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

What do you think?

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SpeedAKL
November 11, 2010, 04:43 PM
I haven't used one all that much. It's neat technology and probably allows for more accurate shooting than an Aimpoint due to the crosshair reticle versus plain red dot. Some people don't like them because they run through battery much faster than an Aimpoint.

Creature
November 11, 2010, 04:45 PM
Nothing beats an Eotech for CQB on a carbine... I love mine.

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/12/63/91/01/img_4210.jpg

AR27
November 11, 2010, 04:47 PM
I haven't used one all that much. It's neat technology and probably allows for more accurate shooting than an Aimpoint due to the crosshair reticle versus plain red dot. Some people don't like them because they run through battery much faster than an Aimpoint.
Do you think the one in that ebay auction is a good deal? Im only in high school so money is hard to come by, I would have just bought my brothers whose account this is but i didnt have the money then.

rcmodel
November 11, 2010, 04:49 PM
I like my 511, a lot.

The only downside is, it runs down the batterys in storage unless you remove them.
They stay in "standby" mode even when turned off.

But that one you linked on Evilbay is too high, with too much risk, IMO.

You need to Beware of Chinese counterfits on Evilbay!
http://www.eotech-inc.com/documents/Recognizing%20counterfeit%20EOTech%20Sights%204-09.pdf

I'd suggest you check out Optics Planet for the best EoTech prices from a real EoTech dealer.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/eotech-holographic-weapon-sights.html

rc

AR27
November 11, 2010, 04:52 PM
I like mine.

But that one you linked on Evilbay is too high, with too much risk, IMO.

You need to Beware of Chinese counterfits on Evilbay!
http://www.eotech-inc.com/documents/Recognizing%20counterfeit%20EOTech%20Sights%204-09.pdf

I'd suggest you check out Optics Planet for the best EoTech prices from a real EoTech dealer.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/eotech-holographic-weapon-sights.html

rc
That one on ebay is definetly real, did you look at the pics? And its cheaper without the hassle of a rebate. also that seller has treamendous feedback.

Creature
November 11, 2010, 04:55 PM
...and that one is a pretty good deal.

AR27
November 11, 2010, 04:56 PM
...and that one is a pretty good deal.
thats what i was thinking

briansmithwins
November 11, 2010, 05:01 PM
Two basic problems with Eotechs:

1) Battery life is way shorter than the Aimpoints. Think weeks instead of years.
2) Eotehc sights fail. I've seen 2 Rev F units quit working while shooting. No warning or anything, the reticle just went away. Battery swap didn't recover either one, although leaving the batteries out for 2 hours did.
If it's just a red dot you want to check out, try Primary Arms. I wouldn't recommend their sights for duty use but for plinking they are fine and have good customer service.

There are so many counterfeit optics out right now I'd only buy from a third party if they are willing to give me the serial number so I can contact the manufacturer and see if it's legit.

BSW

Creature
November 11, 2010, 05:09 PM
Those problems are in the past. Doing your own research of failure rates of post-Rev F EoTechs will convince you that L3 has fixed those past issues and that these optics are now extremely reliable.

JDGray
November 11, 2010, 05:25 PM
Love my EOTech! The battery life is poor compared to other sights, but AAs are cheap:)

jon86
November 11, 2010, 05:30 PM
I like my eotech. There may be sights with longer lasting batteries or a little bit more durable, but for close and fast in my opinion, nothing beats it.

HOWEVER.

If you are strapped for cash, consider this: With irons, you can be almost as fast, especially with some training.

rjrivero
November 11, 2010, 05:54 PM
I'm an eotech fan. I prefer the 516's because they use the same batteries as my flashlight(s).

I try to keep all the batteries the same if possible.

The 512 is a good sight, that price is good, but not the best I've seen. You can do better if you're willing to look around.

Check out the classifieds on the various gun boards. Consider the 517 as well, which is like the 512, but with the buttons on the side (easier to use with a magnifier) and a 7mm riser/mount built in. Will allow for lower 1/3 iron sight co-witness.

possum
November 11, 2010, 06:19 PM
I have used all the different optics that the Army has to offer on the ar platform after many years as an Infantryman and multiple deployments to the sandbox. The eo tech is my preference. I can afford to put any optic on my personal rifle i want, and i have chosen eo tech multiple times, for multiple guns, and i would do so again in a heartbeat!

The last one that i bought was a 512, and it was $373 (and yes NIB) from www.dsgarms.com with the mil discount.

Al Thompson
November 11, 2010, 07:28 PM
Aimpoint. Too many bad reports on Eotech on another forum from trainers who see lots and lots of 5.56 fired every weekend.

I have two Aimpoints - one on my FAL, one on my AR. My DMR clone has a scope. Next Aimpoint purchase will be an H-1 for my lightweight.

As BSW mentioned, the Primary Arms is a (so far) a decent inexpensive RDS - have one on my M&P-1522.

redbullitt
November 11, 2010, 07:42 PM
My eotech has run just fine for about 2 years now. BUT I do run irons with it just in case. They co-witness, so its good to go.

I have not had any issues so far. Its true the battery life is low compared to the others though. I just keep an extra one handy. It is a good idea to just change the batteries every couple months if its going to be a defense rifle.

BTW I think bushnell makes one that is very similar that may be worth a look.

kwelz
November 11, 2010, 07:47 PM
Eotechs are a bit to fragile for my taste. Battery life, as stated, is also way to short.
All that aside I would never buy anything gun related on Ebay. Half the stuff is broken and the other half are knockoffs.

benEzra
November 11, 2010, 07:56 PM
A new Eotech, yes. I like the 516, personally (like rjrivero said, it takes CR123 batteries, same as most weapons lights, and you can get them in the photo section at Walmart). Battery life on the 516 isn't too bad---1000-1100 hours at a pretty bright setting, more if you turn the brightness down---and it does a lower 1/3 cowitness right out of the box. The AA models have slightly shorter battery life with AA lithiums, and much shorter with AA alkalines, but on the other hand AA's are cheap.

I really like the Eotech reticle compared to a simple dot, and the dot is as precise as an unmagnified red dot can get (it is smaller than the diffraction limit of the human eye). Sight it in at 50 yards and you are within a couple inches of the line of sight all the way out to 225+ yards, and someday if you keep an AR for defensive purposes, the bottom center of the ring provides an excellent aiming point at in-the-home distances.

I'd be leery of a used Eotech because you don't know if it's one of the earlier, less reliable issues or if it's been abused.

FWIW, the Eotech model numbers can be a bit confusing, so here's a rundown:

Eotechs come in two basic flavors: (1) those that are set up for a lower-1/3 cowitness right out of the box, and (2) those that are set up for an absolute cowitness out of the box and need an aftermarket 7mm riser to do a lower-1/3. Within each of those two categories, some models have the capability to go ultra-dim for use with night vision equipment, and some don't (with NV capability jacking up the price quite a bit).

The following models are set up for a lower-1/3 cowitness out of the box, thanks to a built-in 7mm riser: Eotech 516, 517, 553, 556, 557. As far as I know, all other models (including 512, XPS series, etc.) are set up for absolute cowitness, so if you want a lower 1/3 cowitness you'll need a 7mm riser, like a LaRue QD mount.

Battery requirements are as follows:

516: two CR123, 1000hr runtime at brightness 12 (longer at lower settings)
517: two AA, 600hr runtime at brightness 12 with alkaline, 1000hr with lithium
553 (similar to 516 but with NV setting and QD base): two CR123, 1100 hours runtime at brightness 12
556 (similar to 516 but with NV setting): two CR123, 1100 hours runtime at brightness 12
557 (similar to 517 but with NV setting and multi-dot reticle): two AA, 600hr runtime at brightness 12 with alkaline, 1000hr with lithium


The XPS series all run off a single CR123 battery and are set up for absolute cowitness (they need a 7mm riser to do a lower 1/3). The designations are as follows:

XPS2-0 single dot in circle (traditional Eotech reticle), no NV setting
XPS2-1 single dot only (no circle), no NV setting
XPS2-2 two dots in circle, no NV setting
XPS3-0 single dot in circle (traditional Eotech reticle), NV setting
XPS3-1 single dot only (no circle), NV setting
XPS3-2 two dots in circle, NV setting


FWIW, if you ever find yourself looking at Aimpoints, their model designations are a bit easier to understand. Basically, the CompM series has rubber armor and night vision settings; the CompC series is the same optic but without the armor and NV, making it much cheaper; and the Micro is a scaled-down model for light weight and small size (Micro T-1 has NV capability, Micro H-1 does not). You can get various models with 2 MOA, 3 MOA, and 4 MOA dots (I prefer as small as possible). All Aimpoints will need a riser to mount properly; LaRue Tactical makes some of the best Aimpoint mounts, but there are other players in the market as well.

Z-Michigan
November 11, 2010, 07:59 PM
I love my EOTech on an AR and prefer it over a conventional RDS. They are not cheap however, and battery life is shorter than many RDS. Plenty of battery life for hunting and range use, but on the low side for "duty" use.

I've heard of the durability issues, mostly from an instructor who hates them. I have not seen any issues other than with the early N battery models. Anyway, you need BUIS, even if you have the almighty Aimpoint - it isn't immune to rocks.

All that aside I would never buy anything gun related on Ebay. Half the stuff is broken and the other half are knockoffs.

Mostly agree. I would never buy anything electronic or anything from an individual or unknown seller. However, a few well-known dealers have accounts there and for some odd reason sell at better prices than they do on their own website. Case in point, the PWS FSC devices sold by Red's Trading Post on ebay.

For the OP, a really good, high quality RDS for $150 is the Vortex Strikefire. If your budget is at all limited I would get that instead, with its much longer battery life and unlimited lifetime warranty.

NY Marksman
November 11, 2010, 07:59 PM
I've had both Eotec and Aipoint and perfer the Eotec by a mile regardless of the shorter battery life. The Eotech gives a much wider FOV.

bozzman3
November 11, 2010, 08:00 PM
Used ones on the Fal files for $250

kwelz
November 11, 2010, 08:09 PM
The Eotech gives a much wider FOV.

I am confused by this statement. What does field of view have to do with a RDS? When using an RDS, no matter why type, you should be shooting with both eyes open. The only interference with your FoV is the actual casing which is about the same on most RDS.

X-Rap
November 11, 2010, 08:31 PM
I have a EO, 2 ACOG REFLEX sights and a 2x7 Leupold mounted on AR's. My favorite is the EO it might have something to do with the guns but I think more to the small 1 min dot. As far as batteries there is no doubt that the Relex sight are superior with the tritium and fiber optics and if I ever have to go to man hunting they may be my choice but even then as some combat tested shooters say they choose the EO.
I just like the variable intensity and the small dot, when I take it out I just turn it on and leave it, if I buy another it will probably be the shorter mod. that takes the 3v bat. and has side controls.

atblis
November 11, 2010, 08:37 PM
Use This for $30 off
http://www.cabelas.com/custserv/custserv.jsp?pageName=9RD295

http://www.cabelas.com/product/EOTech-HOLOgraphic-Tactical-Weapon-Sights/748744.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Deotech%26x%3D0%26y%3D0&Ntt=eotech

WNC Seabee
November 11, 2010, 08:46 PM
As a high schoolers on a budget (we've all been ther!), can I presume this is for fun mostly rather than duty?

If so, I've had Great luck with some of the knock off products.

Check out the PrimaryArms.com Aimpoint knock offs in particular. You get a lot of range time, the look and fun at a fraction of the cost.

Shurshot
November 11, 2010, 09:17 PM
has anyone seen the Eotech 557 AR223? I see it is supposed to be setup to shoot out to 600 yards with the bottom dot. Not sure I have a need to shoot out to 600 yards, and the dots are surely set up for a certain type of round.

I have a Bushmaster Varmiter that I normally keep a US Nightvision D-441 on which is a gen3 scope. However I just sent the scope back to the factory to have it serviced and haven't got it back yet. I have been reading everyones opinion here. I want to get another scope as a backup for the AR. not sure if I want the Eotech or the Aimpoint myself.

Welding Rod
November 11, 2010, 09:21 PM
I have a couple. I like them but with a 556 I find I shoot almost exclusively at 100 yards and beyond. As you can imagine I quickly realized no magnification was not the hot ticket for that application.

I will be putting one on my 9mm AR. For the close range shooting for which the 9 is suitable, I think it will be a good match.

AR27
November 11, 2010, 09:48 PM
Use This for $30 off
http://www.cabelas.com/custserv/custserv.jsp?pageName=9RD295

http://www.cabelas.com/product/EOTech-HOLOgraphic-Tactical-Weapon-Sights/748744.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Deotech%26x%3D0%26y%3D0&Ntt=eotech
even with this it still doesnt beat that ebay price, but thanks though

wojownik
November 11, 2010, 10:31 PM
I have an 553 on my M4gery - has been reliable for the past two years. Still on the original CR123 batteries.

General Lee
November 11, 2010, 10:49 PM
I have the 512 and I shoot 100 and 200 yards consistently with it. I can hit 200 yard headshots on my targets without any problems. The time on target is just insanely fast with these things.

As far as these being too fragile what the heck do you guys want it to do? I guess I just don't understand what people want. You could probably drop this thing off a 5 story building and still use it. I guess it has to be able to survive a direct gunshot or RPG hit to meet some peoples specifications. Maybe last through a nuke.

Battery life isn't fantastic, but I made probably 30 trips to the range and I never remembered to shut the dang thing off when I am done. This also doesn't include the 20 other times I left it on after showing someone.

TonyAngel
November 11, 2010, 11:51 PM
Since you're a high schooler, it sure would suck if you spent all of that money and it went out on you. I've killed five or six Eotechs. They were all N cell and AA models, but I killed them none the less. I'll never own another Eotech, now that my son has gotten off of that kick. I killed two or three of those Eotechs by mounting them on a Beowulf .50 upper. I know that many will say that it's isn't meant for that kind of abuse, but the funny part of it is that since I put an Aimpoint on top of it, I didn't have any more problems.

I'm not talking from a reticle perspective. I actually like the Eotech reticle better and that's one of the reasons that I now run an ACOG TA44S. I like the circle dot.

I don't know if anything has changed with the newer Eotechs, but I did open up one of the ones that I killed and immediately saw what I thought the problem was. I couldn't believe how many contact points there were within the sight that were made with nothing more than a spring or spring metal and those didn't seem very robust either.

If you just have to have an Eotech, check out places like Smartgunner and Primary Arms. What I think you should do, given your financial status, is go over to Primary Arms and get one of their Aimpoint knockoffs. They are good people and if it craps out on you, they will take care of it for you and fast. I don't know why the Eotechs failed (maybe the crappy contacts). All I know is that they failed and I'm not even in the "sandbox." I've gotta say too, that messing with those darned little rubber buttons is a pain in the butt.

Stasher1
November 11, 2010, 11:52 PM
There's no way I'd pay $370 for a 512. I sold a very lightly used 552 on a LaRue riser, with box/paperwork/new batteries/etc. not too long ago for about $410 shipped.

The 512 is a good sight, but you can definitely do MUCH better than that price if you look around a bit.

Steve in PA
November 12, 2010, 01:04 AM
Been using a 512 for over two years, no complaints. Change out the lithium batteries once a year.

benEzra
November 12, 2010, 07:29 AM
I am confused by this statement. What does field of view have to do with a RDS? When using an RDS, no matter why type, you should be shooting with both eyes open. The only interference with your FoV is the actual casing which is about the same on most RDS.
The Eotech lets your eye be further off-center and still see the reticle. Think about an Aimpoint Micro, for example---your eye has to be very closely aligned with the optical axis, meaning that if you don't have a halfway decent cheek weld, it may take you a second to find the dot. The Aimpoint Comp series gives you more room for error in eye placement, and the Eotech gives you most of all (it is very forgiving of sloppy or contorted head positioning, making it a bit faster for very quick shooting).

I agree that they should be used with both eyes open, and from that standpoint field of view is unlimited.

There's no way I'd pay $370 for a 512. I sold a very lightly used 552 on a LaRue riser, with box/paperwork/new batteries/etc. not too long ago for about $410 shipped.

The 512 is a good sight, but you can definitely do MUCH better than that price if you look around a bit.
I just went back and looked at that Ebay auction, and I agree---there's I wouldn't pay that much for a sight-unseen used 512 on Ebay either. You can get a brand-new-in-the-box 516 for that price from a reputable dealer if you shop around, and that way you know it (1) has the newer, more reliable circuitry, and (2) hasn't been mistreated.

bukijin
November 12, 2010, 07:37 AM
I love my EOtech. No problems with it since i bought it a year ago and I have shot that rifle a lot. The only issue is lack of magnification - so it's not a long range sight - but for anything within 100m, it's awesome !

Z-Michigan
November 12, 2010, 08:32 AM
In terms of FOV, the Aimpoint and most other RDS have a thick tube and extra parts hanging off here and there that interfere with vision around the tube. The EOTech has a much thinner shell, the only big view-blocker is the base where the rifle would block your view anyway. I find the EOTech superior in this regard. There are a few conventional RDS that have a similar design but they aren't common and with the exception of the Trijicon are not really in the mil-spec or high quality range.

TonyAngel
November 12, 2010, 09:24 AM
If parts hanging off of the scope blocking your view is a concern, take a look at the T1 or H1. Both are smaller and much less obtrusive that the Eotechs. If you complain about the field of view, you aren't using it right.

Water-Man
November 12, 2010, 09:44 AM
If CQB is your main interest, eotech is the way to go for optics.

benEzra
November 12, 2010, 10:08 AM
If parts hanging off of the scope blocking your view is a concern, take a look at the T1 or H1. Both are smaller and much less obtrusive that the Eotechs. If you complain about the field of view, you aren't using it right.
Again, "field of view" is probably the wrong term. A Micro requires much more precise eye positioning than an Eotech or even a CompM/CompC does; if your eye is out of position, you still have an unobstructed view of the target with your other eye, but you can't see the dot.

With any unmagnified optic, the bigger the lens, the more forgiving it is of hasty head positioning. That's a known tradeoff between the CompM/CompC and the T-1/H-1, so it's not an Eotech vs. Aimpoint thing, although the Eotech's bigger lens does make it very forgiving.

The Aimpoint Micro is *awesome* with regard to package size/weight, battery life, and durability, but you trade off a little speed and flexibility in less-than-ideal shooting positions to get that.

AR27
November 12, 2010, 05:20 PM
The Eotech lets your eye be further off-center and still see the reticle. Think about an Aimpoint Micro, for example---your eye has to be very closely aligned with the optical axis, meaning that if you don't have a halfway decent cheek weld, it may take you a second to find the dot. The Aimpoint Comp series gives you more room for error in eye placement, and the Eotech gives you most of all (it is very forgiving of sloppy or contorted head positioning, making it a bit faster for very quick shooting).

I agree that they should be used with both eyes open, and from that standpoint field of view is unlimited.


I just went back and looked at that Ebay auction, and I agree---there's I wouldn't pay that much for a sight-unseen used 512 on Ebay either. You can get a brand-new-in-the-box 516 for that price from a reputable dealer if you shop around, and that way you know it (1) has the newer, more reliable circuitry, and (2) hasn't been mistreated.
Its a new Eotech

W.E.G.
November 12, 2010, 05:35 PM
Why is it that there is always THAT ONE GUY in any EOTECH thread
who tells about killing legions of EOTECH sights?

HKGuns
November 12, 2010, 05:49 PM
Picture says it all.
http://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s7/v8/p942436593-5.jpg

Stevie-Ray
November 12, 2010, 11:25 PM
I love the 512 on my Colt. And I have no idea why everyone has trouble with batteries. Mine had the same set in for over a year. I used the gun only 3 or 4 times that year but when I finally took them out, they were still good. Crap, they're AAs. What's wrong with that service?

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/GitchiManitou/100_0333.jpg?1289621999

basicblur
November 12, 2010, 11:54 PM
Jest for kicks, cruise on over to Botach Tactical (http://www.botachtactical.com/eotechxps.html) and toss the EOTech of your choice in the cart, then use code EOTech for a 20%? discount. Also cruise by EOTech's home page (http://www.eotech-inc.com/) and download the $50 rebate, which I assume you can use on the discounted Botach EOTech?
Got one in my cart over there now-20% off with and extra $50 from EOTech is giving me an itchy finger!

I have the 557 with a 4x mulitiplier on one AR (got an ACOG on the other) and have been thinking 'bout pulling the trigger on one of the XPS models (got an AR still in the box-thinkin' bout putting together a lightweight).
I kinda like the smaller, single sideways battery mount-I had to change the handguards to get my 557 to clear 'em.

I tend to like the CR123's over AA's-I know they're not quite as easy to find, but most of my lights use 'em, and so far I've been able to scrounge up name brand units at around $1.40 each. They're actually cheaper than Energizer Lithium AA's (around $2 each). With a 10-year shelf life, you can affort to load up a bit when you do find some at a reasonable price (much cheaper than WalMart's photo section)-they can often be found at police supply houses if you have any in your area.

kwelz
November 13, 2010, 12:15 AM
Whatever you do DON'T order from Botach. They have a well deserved terrible reputation.

LRS_Ranger
November 13, 2010, 12:29 AM
The EO tech is really fast; I liked mine for the most part. I found that it drained batteries even when it was off, and when going from a light to a dark environment or vice versa I felt I needed to adjust the brightness. Other than that it was great. The only reason that I traded it in was I got a Nightforce 1-4. For that price go for it.

Rokman
November 13, 2010, 12:38 AM
I bought an Eotech from Botach over two years ago and I got a good deal with zero problems from Botach and nary a problem with the Eotech.

jerkface11
November 13, 2010, 08:02 AM
I have both an Eotech and a Trijicon reflex. I'd say the reflex is the better sight. No batteries, no turning it on and off, it's smaller, price is roughly the same.

basicblur
November 13, 2010, 10:33 AM
Whatever you do DON'T order from Botach. They have a well deserved terrible reputation.
Knock on wood? So far, I have 'bout 20 orders from 'em over a 5 or 6 year period with no problems.
Well, they did send me 6 Rayovac CR123's when I ordered Energizers...

leadcounsel
November 13, 2010, 11:44 AM
I have one on my combat M4 in Iraq. It's a great site and gives a big advantage in combat. Especially great if you have flip up iron sights for backup. However, I don't know that I would spend $500 on one for target use. For that you could almost by another AR.

I'd say first get really good with your irons. Then maybe consider the Eotech.

kwelz
November 13, 2010, 01:33 PM
Knock on wood? So far, I have 'bout 20 orders from 'em over a 5 or 6 year period with no problems.
Well, they did send me 6 Rayovac CR123's when I ordered Energizers...

Buy a lottery ticket! No seriously.

I don't see how they stay in business. Every forum I have ever been on is littered with threads talking about how bad they are. Mis-shipped orders, Never shipping items that were paid for, Huge delays. Refunds never getting processed.

There was one a while back on M4C where a guy from botach tried to step up and help. Even with his attempts it all went ugly really fast. I would go without an item before I ordered from them, and suggest the same to others.

hemiram
November 14, 2010, 01:52 AM
I've had great luck with gun items bought on ebay. Before they stopped allowing magazines to be sold on the site, I got a couple of fantastic deals on new, unused mags for several of my guns, like half the price that they went for from CDNN, and way cheaper than the local rip off joints. One local place had a factory mag for my Astra A-75 for $29.95. I got 3 of them off an Ebay seller, shipped, for $31. They were exactly the same thing.

AR27
November 14, 2010, 05:22 PM
I've had great luck with gun items bought on ebay. Before they stopped allowing magazines to be sold on the site, I got a couple of fantastic deals on new, unused mags for several of my guns, like half the price that they went for from CDNN, and way cheaper than the local rip off joints. One local place had a factory mag for my Astra A-75 for $29.95. I got 3 of them off an Ebay seller, shipped, for $31. They were exactly the same thing.
I always have no problems with ebay, i have bought many firearms related items on their before with no problem, including optics. Unfortunately 370 is a ton of money for me and I might just stick with irons. My older brother whose account this is thinks i should use irons even if im a millionaire, he says its important to master irons before using optics. Even though he is now buying a new optic. lol

basicblur
November 14, 2010, 06:18 PM
Unfortunately 370 is a ton of money for me
Did you nose around at Botach?
I show the XPS2-2 for $375.20 (plus shipping), and you should get another $50 with the PDF rebate at EOTech's site.
The 512 you're looking at is $327.20 (plus shipping), and you should get another $30 with the PDF rebate.

That would put a new 512 at just over $300 delivered, and the XPS2-2 at just over $330 delivered.
'Course, iff'n it was me, I'd look hard (and I am) at the XPS line-they sure look a lot neater/more compact with the short/sideways battery compartment.

'Course, you also have Optics Planet (http://www.opticsplanet.net/eotech-brand.html?gclid=CMbh5P22oaUCFeYD5QodGnMgJQ)-not quite as good prices, but shipping is free.

atblis
November 14, 2010, 07:43 PM
Where do you see the 512 for $337 on Botach? It's showing $409 for me.

Hedgemeister
November 14, 2010, 07:50 PM
atblis, put in the eotech coupon code it gives you 20% off. I bought the xps-2 and paid $392 shipping included. Eotech has a $50 rebate going now as well. I ordered my xps-2 last week and UPS says it is showing up tom.

AR27
November 15, 2010, 08:23 PM
Hi everyone, my little brother started this thread and decided that he cant afford to spend that much on a sight since he is still in high school, he posted that information later in the thread. To his surprise THR member TonyAngel sent me a pm and offered to send me one of his downed eotechs for free to give to my little brother. Now my little brother can get an eotech for only the nominal price it will cost for eotech to fix it. In my opinion this is extremely kind of Tony Angel to do something like this for a kid for free with out even being asked to do so, absolutely outstanding!

General Lee
November 15, 2010, 09:04 PM
I don't understand why you rarely see a thread saying yeah.. my EO tech died..., but you see a guy who has "killed" 5 of them... I just find it hard to believe. I have only had mine for a year, but really? 5 of them???

TonyAngel
November 15, 2010, 09:27 PM
What's so hard to believe? I don't know if Eotech has changed anything since I had mine, but yeah, I killed five of them. I know that one broke that had never been on anything other than either an AR15 or a .22. The others I can say could not withstand much more than the abuse that a .223 can dish out. What I find hard to believe is that I've NEVER killed an Aimpoint. That says something to me.

General Lee
November 16, 2010, 04:27 AM
I think I figured it out. You must be one of those people who break electonics when you are around them. Do you kill wathes when you wear them?

From what I gather on Wikipedia EoTech was acquired by L3 and has been making holographic sights since 2005 So assuming you are talking about the current line of sights that means you have killed at least 1 sight a year.

You have to be the most unlucky person I have ever met.

atblis
November 16, 2010, 07:12 AM
That's just when L3 bought them. They've been making sights longer than that. Wikipedia says they were founded in 1995.

kwelz
November 16, 2010, 08:11 AM
There is a reason you see people talk about broken EOTECHs. They break. Most have a huge design flaw built right into them. The battery compartment is made in such a way that the recoil of the firearms allows the batteries to damage contacts. You end up with an Optic with no power.

This is one reason the XPS series switched to a battery compartment where the battery sits sideways.

There are other issues but this is probably the most prevalent in more popular models.

Hedgemeister
November 16, 2010, 01:16 PM
Well mine arrived from botach within a week. No problems at all. Tony way to go on paying it forward.

basicblur
November 16, 2010, 01:42 PM
Well mine arrived from botach within a week.
Well thanks to you, I bought another toy ('preciate that)! :o :banghead:
The combo of 20% off plus $50 rebate from EOTech was just too much to resist.

I pulled the trigger on an EXPS3-2 last night...hey, one o' these days night vision stuff may be affordable?
Went up the model line mostly for the controls mounted on the side, and the included raised base to allow co-witnessing-info's a little sketchy 'bout the other XPS models, but I assume they would have to be raised to allow co-witnessing?

BTW, I ran across the same unit from Optics Planet (http://www.opticsplanet.net/l3-eotech-opmod-exps2-holographic-sights-limited-edition-red-dot-sights-exps2-0-opmod.html) minus the NV function, but the price is the same as Botach's (after rebate).

Actually got an order fer 6 Streamlight PT-2L's from Botach that UPS says will arrive tomorrow-got a group buy together for 'em.

Iff'n my EOTech and PT-2L's arrive (will be order #22 from 'em), I'm gonna take Azizza's advice and buy a lottery ticket! :rolleyes:

Actually, I know Botach probably has problems as there seem to be too many complaints, but since I've had nothing but good luck with 'em, it's kinda hard to stop ordering from 'em!

General Lee
November 16, 2010, 08:07 PM
That's just when L3 bought them. They've been making sights longer than that. Wikipedia says they were founded in 1995.
That's why I said the current line. Unless when L3 took over they didn't change a thing. I guess I just cannot imagine why people would talk these sights up and fork out at least 400 dollars for a sight that is such a piece of crap.

I work in the LE field and I know lots of people trust their lives to these sights. Of course anyone with half a brain has iron sight backups for any electronic sight, but still if they are such garbage I don't see why military and local government would invest in them.

taliv
November 16, 2010, 09:01 PM
I guess I just cannot imagine why people would talk these sights up and fork out at least 400 dollars for a sight that is such a piece of crap.

because they a) like the look of it more, b) like the reticle better, c) the price is lower

They get talked up because everybody talks up what they bought, especially if they don't use it enough to have issues. Also, survivor bias.

I work in the LE field and I know lots of people trust their lives to these sights. Of course anyone with half a brain has iron sight backups for any electronic sight, but still if they are such garbage I don't see why military and local government would invest in them.

I'm not much on appeals to authorities, and in any event, LE are rarely authorities on anything having to do with guns. LE departments are usually on a tight budget and officers are not paid as well as they should be. The result is a propensity for buying cheap crap and not much ammo for training/practice. You should see some of the stuff on LE guns around here. It's shocking.

General Lee
November 16, 2010, 11:34 PM
Well I am done here there is no point in beating a dead horse. Ford vs Chevy I said screw it and bought a Toyota :)

TonyAngel
November 17, 2010, 01:01 AM
General Lee, I didn't kill one a year over five years. I killed five in one year, and no, I don't have any problems with watches. As a matter of fact, I have a preference for automatics and have never had any problems with any of them. The only point I'm trying to make is that I did kill them, regardless of the manner in which I did it. What really matters to me is that I subjected my Aimpoints to the same treatment and haven't had a single problem.

Why did I buy so many? Simple. My son preferred the Eotech reticle over the Aimpoints. If having an Eotech made shooting more fun for him, then what the heck? Thank goodness for the ACOG TA44S. Best of both worlds. Eotech type reticle and I don't have to worry about killing them.

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