Wisconsin Update


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snubbies
November 13, 2010, 05:54 PM
http://www.wisconsincarry.org/default.html#

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cambeul41
November 13, 2010, 07:15 PM
The more power to you!

Fisherman_48768
November 13, 2010, 08:45 PM
If the people of Wisconsin can't get pro 2nd legislation passed now the problem isn't with the politicians, it's with the people.

esquare
November 13, 2010, 10:50 PM
Very nice - the time is right for constitutional carry. I would love to see a list of firearms trainers that are lobbying for mandatory training. It's time to put their names up and boycott them for not understanding the constitution.

cambeul41
November 14, 2010, 06:49 PM
I would love to see a list of firearms trainers that are lobbying for mandatory training. It's time to put their names up and boycott them for not understanding the constitution.

I second that motion!

esquare
November 14, 2010, 06:59 PM
There was a lobby in AZ when they passed theirs and is was pretty shocking really. Here is a group of folks that should believe in the original intent of the constitution but they would gladly see that repressed to 'save' their livelihood. However, the irony is that they (well, the good ones anyway) will probably end up offering a better service and more training to those who want it (and make more doing it) because whenever the government imposes training requirements of any kind, that's what people will train to (and very little more). Without them and with a severe penalty for misuse, people tend to do get the training they deem they need which is probably more than what the state requires. Who here does yearly driving refresher courses or attends a refresher hunters safety training course? I'm not saying we shouldn't have licensing of any sort, but those in the training business need to be aware of how this really works for them.

Anyway, anyone know of a list yet?

TriTone
November 20, 2010, 02:18 PM
Well said esquare.

TriTone
December 20, 2010, 11:51 PM
Sign the petition: http://www.wisconsinccw.org/

Trent
December 21, 2010, 12:27 AM
Dang, if WI gets CCS, Illinois will be the last state left standing without something on the books.

My state sucks. :(

IBEWBULL
December 21, 2010, 12:38 AM
Chicgo ruels the state of IL.
Since the turn of the centry the city bosses and the criminals wanted the honest citizen to be disarmed. Milwaukee is not much different. The powers are shared and the wolves feed off the unarmed defenseless sheepel.
I am not speaking of the L.E. on the streets but the ones behind the desk and the politicians. We the People are not blind.
Now if we the people had some ambition we could hold the feet to the fire and get some real action.
Wait and see what the swing vote rallies for next fall.

Zombie_Flesh
December 21, 2010, 09:46 AM
I am a firearms trainer - and I am opposed to mandatory training.

I would have rather have a class of 4 who WANT to be there, than a class of 8 who are only there to check a box.

usmarine0352_2005
December 21, 2010, 09:19 PM
.

Oregon just gives me the permit on the spot with no hassle of dealing with classes. Only $50 renewal.


Nice.


I wish we wouldn't have to pay a fee at all. You don't need pay to vote.

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Wishoot
December 21, 2010, 11:24 PM
Sign the petition: http://www.wisconsinccw.org/

Thank you for the link.

Standing Wolf
December 29, 2010, 09:48 PM
I am a firearms trainer - and I am opposed to mandatory training.

Same here. I've never seen anything about classes and tests in the Second Amendment.

orionengnr
December 29, 2010, 11:14 PM
Dang, if WI gets CCS, Illinois will be the last state left standing without something on the books.

Dominoes and baby steps. You don't go directly from A to Z. If you can get to B this year, take it and work on C next year.

We in Texas (and most other Southern states with nominally good CCW laws) do not have Open Carry or Campus Carry...but we are working on it. Chip away at the stone.

Funny thing is any gun store in MN or instructor that offers the classes strongly supports Minnesotans to take the class every 5 years, despite most states not requiring it. Business and gubbermint hand in hand.
Look at it another way. The more people that have a CCW, the stronger the united voice of the people. If there were 150 people in the state who had a CCW, would anyone in the State House pay any attention at all? How about if there were 150,000? How about if there were 1.5 million? Now we're getting somewhere.

I encourage everyone I know to take the Texas CHL class and get licensed...and to join the NRA. There is power in numbers.

Unless you have millions/billions of dollars to contribute to your favorite candidate, encouraging others to join you and convince your elected officails likewise is the way to go. Otherwise, you are probably urinating into a headwind.

Monkeyleg
December 30, 2010, 07:06 PM
The bills that Gunderson and Zien's offices (and the NRA) wrote in 2003 and 2005 were excellent: minimal training requirements; instant reciprocity with all issuing states; carry in restaurants that serve; and more.

A lot of people paid with campaign contributions and volunteer time at gun shows and elsewhere to advance the CCW effort. The Republicans owe the gun owners, and they'd better not forget it.

Those bills had better be passed clean or Wisconsin CCW supporters should be screaming at the capitol.

Supertac45
January 1, 2011, 04:57 PM
My guess is Wisconsin will have concealed carry by July 1, 2011.

Pacsd
January 1, 2011, 09:19 PM
Passing a carry law in Wisconsin is going to make Badger Guns in Milwaukee happy.

BMacklem
January 1, 2011, 10:00 PM
It'll make me very happy. I could honestly care less about Badger guns, I'd much rather be able to carry my firearm for seld-defense concealed.

ka8yoh
January 2, 2011, 01:34 AM
I purchase firearms from Badger Guns and have been a patron for about 10 years. I live about a mile away from them and sometimes get a deal from them or they have a high margin, but ordering can be on the level depending on the firearm. My last purchase was a Ruger LCP and a SIG P239. Give some take some. They have to put up with the Milwaukee/ west milwaukee anti-gun toe-brain argument, although you just go into a non-boarding town and they get no heat from the anti-gunners! Wisconsin will being added great 49 instead of the great 48 for CCW (congrats to Mr. Scott Walker!). Miwaukee City vs. the Village of West milaukee was a big issue for guns linked to shootings of Police and all...duh!!! they're right on the line...one side of 43rd st is Milwaukee and the other is w. Milaukee Village. NOT IN THE CITY MILWAUKEE That snuffed FFL's a while back! The rest of the county and the great state of wisconsin is open to us leagle people purchasing firearms.

Oh well, good selection of firearms and a great indoor range...not a bad situation all and all..


Kev

Pacsd
January 2, 2011, 07:23 PM
don't get me wrong. I'm on your side with the carry in Wisconsin carry. I grew in the Milwaukee area and saw how things were going, I left and never looked back. When I do make a rare trip there for obiigatory family matters, I carry. I know Wisconsin does not have it but I do anyway and have to drive thru Minnesota where they don't either. I guess it's catch me if ya can. No way will I drive around that town empty handed.

CmpsdNoMore
January 2, 2011, 09:35 PM
Minnesota does have CCW.

trigga
January 2, 2011, 10:31 PM
this is intresting, i hope the law does pass

CmpsdNoMore
January 4, 2011, 05:50 PM
My birthday is in September. I may just have to buy myself a present if they can pass a CCW law by then! :D

rogertc1
January 4, 2011, 08:11 PM
Iowa is Shall Issue as of 1-1-2011

langenc
January 6, 2011, 05:31 PM
Dang, if WI gets CCS, Illinois will be the last state left standing without something on the books.

IL has 'something on the books'--NO NO NO NO!!! We know what is better for you..

Edmond
January 6, 2011, 10:04 PM
IL is screwed, they're not going to get it, doesn't matter who the governor or da mayor is because they're all the same. If you live in IL and want to carry, just move, it's the only way. The political parties in that state don't matter, whoever gets elected is a product of the machine and they will fall in line with the machine.

Davey Wavey
January 6, 2011, 11:23 PM
IL is screwed, they're not going to get it, doesn't matter who the governor or da mayor is because they're all the same. If you live in IL and want to carry, just move, it's the only way. The political parties in that state don't matter, whoever gets elected is a product of the machine and they will fall in line with the machine.

Recent governor election was a set back. However Chicago's ban on guns was done away with and Mayor Daley is on his way out. We are closer. Don't try to demoralize us please.

esquare
January 7, 2011, 08:26 AM
Edmond - you apparently don't live in IL, but those that do and who have been following know that there are grumblings going around. People are organizing meetings to talk about guns and concealed carry. The grass roots are growing, and when WI passes their version (hopefully constitutional carry) I believe the residents in IL will have had enough.

If cuba can cut it's socialist workforce in favor of the free market, IL can get CCW.

LuceNut
January 24, 2011, 04:14 PM
Anything short of constitutional carry is a win for the anti-gunners! I personally will NEVER pay for a God-given right. Currently illegal possession of a firearm is a misdemeanor in Wisconsin. I know one of the last shall-issue bills was going to bump that to a felony! Yet a lot of people wanted the bill passed. I will just continue to risk the misdemeanor until constitutional carry is recognized in Wisconsin.

frankenstein406
January 25, 2011, 01:50 AM
We should hold a rally in Madison July 4th.

oerllikon
January 25, 2011, 02:33 AM
We should hold a rally in Madison July 4th.
At the culvers :D

I still need to buy myself a carry present

frankenstein406
January 25, 2011, 02:42 AM
I'm down, can visit family heck make it a parade from culvers to there.

Jim_Macklin
January 25, 2011, 02:44 AM
Anything short of constitutional carry is a win for the anti-gunners! I personally will NEVER pay for a God-given right. Currently illegal possession of a firearm is a misdemeanor in Wisconsin. I know one of the last shall-issue bills was going to bump that to a felony! Yet a lot of people wanted the bill passed. I will just continue to risk the misdemeanor until constitutional carry is recognized in Wisconsin.

An admirable position, but demanding constitutional carry is a good way to get nothing. The hidden trick on open carry becoming a felony is known and it isn't going to happen IF all the lawful gun-owners write and ask for the law to be like Kansas, Alaska, Arizona and other shall issue states where open carry is legal. [Kansas is still in the process of tuning the law, soon cities will no longer be able to ban loaded open carry, but it takes time. Just a few years ago we were worried about no carry at all.
The problem is that if the law says you can carry without a license and you're openly carrying; there will be calls to 911 from the sheep. If a cop is sent to check on that "man with gun call" [probably will] and finds a 30 or 21 year old working family man/woman all you've done is waste some of the cops time.
If the 911 call goes in because a citizen sees a group of young men walking down the alley behind their home, the police and the home-owner voter doesn't know what to do except prepare for the worst and roll 4 cars.
If the group with the guns are free of any criminal record but are planning something illegal...

Anyway, right now, except for pizza delivery, you can open carry in Wisconsin because the state Supreme Court said you can. If you want to conceal, get a license and you can travel, walk near schools, etc. Only Illinois is a hold-out. I think by 2012 even Illinois will be shall issue.

Jim_Macklin
January 25, 2011, 02:51 AM
IL is screwed, they're not going to get it, doesn't matter who the governor or da mayor is because they're all the same. If you live in IL and want to carry, just move, it's the only way. The political parties in that state don't matter, whoever gets elected is a product of the machine and they will fall in line with the machine.

Chicago population is down. Daley is out, Emanuel is out, downstate has voted for shall issue concealed carry, and they will have it before 2012 is over.

MisterMike
January 25, 2011, 09:25 AM
Chicago population is down. Daley is out, Emanuel is out, downstate has voted for shall issue concealed carry, and they will have it before 2012 is over.

I really hope you're right, but recent actions by the Democratic governor and the Democratic legislators, who are almost universally opposed to 2A rights, indicate that they don't care much about popular opinion. Add to that the fact that there are plenty of Republican legislators who are tepid in their support of gun rights, and I don't see much of a chance within the time frame you predict.

Like I said, though: I hope you're right.

Trad Archer
January 25, 2011, 10:06 AM
Illinois can sink into Lake Michigan for all I care. What a crappy state that just produces some of the scummiest people in this country.

I'm also glad the Bears lost. I love the fact that the Cubs SUCK also.

You people in Illinois should have never let Obama get to where he is at today. DAMN YOU ILLINOIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Monkeyleg
January 25, 2011, 06:27 PM
All or nothing usually gets you nothing.

Currently illegal possession of a firearm is a misdemeanor in Wisconsin.

No, illegal possession of a firearm is a felony. Illegally carrying concealed is a misdemeanor.

vito
January 29, 2011, 09:42 AM
With Wisconsin on the verge of getting legal concealed carry, IL will stand alone in the country as the one place where there is no provision for concealed carry. I think the best we can hope for is a state law that allows individual counties to pass concealed carry laws. My guess is that every county other that Cook and possibly Lake and McHenry would pass concealed carry and that would give us all yet another reason for avoiding going to Chicago.

frankenstein406
February 2, 2011, 03:24 PM
We need to do a big march down the streets.

IBEWBULL
February 6, 2011, 03:06 PM
Passing the CCW in Wisconsin will finally give the citizens the right to carry out of Wisconsin. Giving us 100% of our rights.

Presently it is a patchwork possibility of reciprocal agreements and rather confusing to say the least.

frankenstein406
February 15, 2011, 04:41 PM
Everyone should join the protesters tomorrow. Be a lot of media coverage. Make signs.

Birdmang
February 15, 2011, 04:51 PM
Where and when and for what?

tmknecht
February 16, 2011, 02:50 PM
Frank is referring to the protests being held because Gov. Walker is taking on the fat-cat unions. A lot of people are protesting in Madison, WI because the bill is going to be voted on today. I believe that Frank is suggesting that we mingle with the pro-big-government protesters, in order to draw attention to RKBA. I am forced to respectfully disagree with this idea. Especially since Gov. Walker said the Guard is on stand-by in case of a union revolt.

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