What powders to try for 9mm?


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TH3180
November 13, 2010, 08:23 PM
As many of you know I have recently started reloading. I am reloading 9mm for my Glock 17. I am using Montana gold 115 grain FMJ round nose bullets and Winchester primers. The first pound of powder I got is Alliant Unique Powder. I have about half a pound left. I would like to try other powders. I am not unhappy with Unique. One thing I am having a problem with Unique, it doesn't seem to meter consistently for me. What other powders would you guys suggest I try before I take the plunge and buy an eight pound jug.

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Quoheleth
November 13, 2010, 08:25 PM
AA#5 worked great for me with cast lead and meters like water.

zxcvbob
November 13, 2010, 08:33 PM
Bullseye or WSF.

Green Dot is a good powder for 9mm, but it doesn't measure any better than Unique.

32dgrz
November 13, 2010, 08:37 PM
Was WSF but found WST more to my liking now

Walkalong
November 13, 2010, 08:46 PM
WST for light loads, but WSF for full loads, along with other "medium" speed pistol powders like True Blue, AA #5, N340, Unique, etc.

Exposure
November 13, 2010, 08:49 PM
Ramshot True Blue

Winchester 231

Winchester AutoComp

Alliant Bullseye

All four of the above meter outstanding, and for me, have worked wonderfully in the 9MM underneath a 115 GR bullet.

ralph2
November 13, 2010, 09:38 PM
I have had good luck with accurate #2 for my glock 17 shooting 115 grain plated bullets. Meters
very good. I have less than 30fps spread in velocity. I keep my velocities below 1100fps.
For higher velocities I would try a slower powder. Below 1100 fps the brass falls at my feet.

gilly6993
November 13, 2010, 09:45 PM
Titegroup....I use it for just about everything...

Seedtick
November 13, 2010, 10:16 PM
For 9mm with 115 & 125 grain pills I swap back and forth between Power Pistol and HP 38. Both of these meter well. I've used others but these are the two I've used most.

ST

:)

mickeygrimreaperblueeyes
November 13, 2010, 10:18 PM
I like alliant brand and Herco is great for 9mm. You can get great velocities with it in a barrel over 4 inches.

LightningMan
November 13, 2010, 10:33 PM
I like Accurate AA#5, Alliant PowerPistol, Ramshot TrueBlue & Ramshot Zip.

ljnowell
November 13, 2010, 10:41 PM
If going FMJ or plated in 9mm, I find it hard to beat Alliant Power Pistol. If you are going for ultimate economy for plinking ammo, AA#2 is cheap, has low charge weights and is the best metering fast powder, IMO. Also bullseye wouldnt be a bad ultra cheap powder to use for economy.

In reality though, you are usually only saving about 2 gr of powder per round. That can be looked at as a huge saving, or a small price to pay for more powerful ammo.

918v
November 13, 2010, 11:22 PM
231

medalguy
November 13, 2010, 11:42 PM
AA #5 is what I settled on after trying most other pistol powders. Easy to meter and consistent throws. And accurate too.

Nushif
November 13, 2010, 11:47 PM
HS-6 ... from what I gather not the best. But it works fine for me.

chineseboxer
November 14, 2010, 12:01 AM
For a new reloader, WIN 231 and Power Pistol both meter fantastice and both happen to be fantastic powder for 9mm. I typically use 231 but it has been short in my area lately so have picked up some power pistol to try. Don't follow my lead, but I weigh my first charge and my 50th charge before i box them up. Always consistant.

TH3180
November 14, 2010, 01:22 AM
Thanks everybody for the suggestions.

For a new reloader, WIN 231 and Power Pistol both meter fantastice and both happen to be fantastic powder for 9mm. I typically use 231 but it has been short in my area lately so have picked up some power pistol to try. Don't follow my lead, but I weigh my first charge and my 50th charge before i box them up. Always consistant.
Maybe I am being too anal about weighing my charges. I weigh every 5th to 10th charge. I get crabby if I am .1 of a grain off. How far off is acceptable when it comes to charge weights?

ArchAngelCD
November 14, 2010, 02:50 AM
I reload 9mm ammo for my son. I use W231/HP-38 for practice ammo and for lead bullets. For more serious duty he just loves the ammo made with Longshot. If he has his way all his 9mm ammo would be loaded with Longshot. I load mostly 124/125gr bullets...

Aussie_Ronin
November 14, 2010, 06:13 AM
For IPSC Production in my Glock 17, I'm using AP70 from ADI with a 125gr proj. I just loaded up some 135gn rounds tonight to see if they group better at distance

PO2Hammer
November 14, 2010, 09:41 AM
Maybe I am being too anal about weighing my charges. I weigh every 5th to 10th charge. I get crabby if I am .1 of a grain off. How far off is acceptable when it comes to charge weights?
+.1 to -.1 is very good.

I've used Titegroup the most in 9mm, but lately I've been using IMR SR 7625, it meters more consistently than any other powder I've tried.
Give much better loading density too.

wow6599
November 14, 2010, 09:45 AM
AutoComp and Power Pistol here.......measures well, accurate enough and isn't very dirty.

RustyFN
November 14, 2010, 10:09 AM
I have used Titegroup, Bullseye and HS-6 in 9mm but I like WST the best.

RidgwayCO
November 14, 2010, 01:50 PM
I like the Accurate line of powders, and Accurate #2, #5, and #7 are all appropriate for the 9mm Luger. I also like Hodgdon's Universal Clays ("Universal") for this application instead of Unique, and have included it in the list.

The following data is presented for your info. It is for a 115gr jacketed bullet. Maximum load data for the Accurate powders is from Accurate Loading Guide v3.3, and for Hodgdon Universal from Speer Reloading Manual #14. Prices are from the Powder Valley web site. Since Accurate #2 is only sold in 5lb jugs, its price per 8lb is extrapolated. All four powders measure exceptionally well for me in my Lee Pro Auto Disk powder measure.

Powder ........ Max ..... Vel ... Ft-Lbs . #/Lb ..... 8 lbs ...... /rnd
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
AA #2 ......... 5.2gr ... 1145 ... 335 ... 1346 ... $104.80 ... 0.97

AA #5 ......... 7.0gr ... 1192 ... 363 ... 1000 ... $116.00 ... 1.45

AA #7 ......... 8.8gr ... 1196 ... 365 .... 795 ... $116.00 .... 1.82

Universal ..... 5.3gr ... 1172 ... 351 ... 1320 .. $114.00 .... 1.08

Personally, I like to load my 9mm Luger practice rounds to about 1100 fps (309 ft-lbs), and find Accurate #2 to be very efficient, clean-burning, and accurate. Also, among spherical powders, it's one of the least-expensive. YMMV.

bds
November 14, 2010, 02:26 PM
Maybe I am being too anal about weighing my charges.
Not at all if you are looking to assemble accurate match grade loads. Some of us match shooters even weigh bullets to make sure they are within 1.0 gr variance bullet-to-bullet (Montana Gold FMJ bullets are very weight consistent) and select the powder/throw so the charge-to-charge variance is less than 0.1 gr.

I weigh every 5th to 10th charge.
I use Pro Auto Disk and weigh the first several drops to make sure the powder has settled in the hopper and I got the right size hole. Once the powder charge is verified, I don't need to weigh thereafter whether I am loading 500 rounds or 4000 rounds. With Pro Auto Disk, most small ball/flake powders meter well. W231/HP38 meters best with drops right on the charge and vary no more than 0.1 gr. Other small ball/flake powders like Bullseye, Green Dot, WST, Clays, WSF also meter well. Large flake powders like Promo/Red Dot will vary 0.2-0.3 gr charge-to-charge.[/QUOTE]

I get crabby if I am .1 of a grain off. How far off is acceptable when it comes to charge weights?
Many match shooters consider 0.1 gr variance to be acceptable for match grade loads. You will be surprised by how inconsistent factory ammunition powder charges are (especially the cheaper stuff).

0.2-0.3 gr variance is fine for plinking loads as shot groups won't widen that much at closer distances. Also, some powders are less sensitive to charge variance. Promo/Red Dot with charge variance of 0.2-0.3 gr will produce fairly consistent shot groups. Below are sample targets of Promo which varied 0.1-0.2 gr from my well worn 15 year old Pro Auto Disk shot from 4.5" M&P45 using Missouri Bullets 200 gr SWC.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64452&stc=1&d=1289425481
http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64453&stc=1&d=1289425481

kimbernut
November 14, 2010, 02:51 PM
I've used Bullseye, W231, and Titegroup. All have worked equally well and seriously can't really tell which is which unless I check my box labeling notes. They also work equally well for: .380Auto, .38Spl., .357 Mag., .40 S&W, and .45 ACP.

rfwobbly
November 14, 2010, 04:04 PM
Maybe I am being too anal about weighing my charges. I weigh every 5th to 10th charge. I get crabby if I am .1 of a grain off. How far off is acceptable when it comes to charge weights?

Mr 3180 -
Acceptability of charge weights is a function of the powder. Some great powders like Tight Group only have a 0.4gr load range. If you're off by 0.1gr then you can be in big trouble really fast. Other powders like Win231 have a load range from 0.8 to 1.0gr so a variation of 0.1gr means a lot less. That means if you want to use your automated powder measuring, which you know it's not that accurate, then you need to stay with a powder with a wide load range, or you need to confine your loads to the lower ranges.

One of the big benefits of reloading is gaining superior accuracy. Accuracy starts with being able to have consistent powder loads. That is to say, very little variation between powder drops no matter what. IMHO it is therefore useful to to discover what shape powder (ball, flake, stick) your powder measure is most successful with, and stick to those shapes.

Hope this helps!

TH3180
November 19, 2010, 07:07 PM
I swung by the Gun Stop on my way home today. I bought a pound of HP-38. From my understanding HP-38 has the same load data as Winchester 231. I hope to do some loading next week and make to the range.

GLOOB
November 19, 2010, 07:34 PM
You did the same thing I just did. Started with Unique and added W-231. What is it with these two powders? It seems like there's a lot of load data and margin for error with them. Or maybe they are just marketed well? :)

TH3180
November 19, 2010, 07:39 PM
You did the same thing I just did. Started with Unique and added W-231. What is it with these two powders? It seems like there's a lot of load data and margin for error with them. Or maybe they are just marketed well? :)
The main reason for me is the large range from min to max load. Being a new loader I need all the fudge room I can get.

Walkalong
November 19, 2010, 07:52 PM
Started with Unique and added W-231. What is it with these two powders? Both are outstanding powders that are very versatile. They sell a ton of both for a reason. ;)

hydraulicman
November 19, 2010, 08:56 PM
power pistol

Old Scratch
November 19, 2010, 09:35 PM
I have had extremely good results with VV 3N37 and N330. Very clean burning, EXTREMELY low flash and high velocity with both 124 and 147 gr bullets.

Hondo 60
November 19, 2010, 10:38 PM
I'm with gilly6993 I use titegroup for just about everything.

3.9 gr behind a 125 gr LRN from MBC, or Berry's 124 FN.

Never have an issue with FTF or FTE

rfwobbly
November 19, 2010, 11:15 PM
Mr 3180 -
I think you did just fine. Just starting out like you are, it's more FAR more important that you be able to find load data for your powder within your limited library. HP-38/ Win 231 fills that bill very nicely.

Are there better powders? Probably. Are there more universally understood and documented powders? I highly doubt it.

;)

Hagen442
November 19, 2010, 11:47 PM
I have used several but, 2 stand out in my book:
Power Pistol and Clays.

MrWesson
November 19, 2010, 11:56 PM
Do you guys get a lot of smoke from bullseye? I am looking for a good indoor powder.

1SOW
November 20, 2010, 12:32 AM
9mm: Win231/HP38, Vit n320, and plan to try 700X that many users have praised.
All are good for light to medium loads. All meter well. Vit n320 is expensive but shoots great and uses little powder .

Steve C
November 20, 2010, 12:45 AM
For a full power load one of the powder I like the best is Power Pistol. It is the canister grade commercial version of the bulk powder developed and supplied to the US military for the 9mm.

Unique however will load just about any type of 9mm from mild to wild and I certainly would never to without Unique in my powder inventory.

Years ago I had bought 2 lbs of HS-6 on sale and had tried it in various calibers and loads but couldn't warm up to it until using it with 147gr bullets in the 9mm. For heavier bullets it works great, not the best for the 115 to 125gr though IMO.

If you want to load for carbine both Blue Dot and AA#7 are great choices. They will fill the case and most loads will be compressed, velocity with 115's is only average but it does work and since its slower burning it would be best for carbine length barrels. AA7 is the powder developed by the Israeli's for their SMG ammo.

For cast bullet target shooting any of the faster powders work fine. I'm currently burning a 4lb can of Green Dot I got cheap but I've used Red Dot, W231 and AA#2 also. As mentioned Promo which is essentially bulk Red Dot w/o the Dots will work well for inexpensive loadings of target ammo.

cfullgraf
November 20, 2010, 01:13 AM
9mm: Win231/HP38, Vit n320, and plan to try 700X that many users have praised.
All are good for light to medium loads. All meter well. Vit n320 is expensive but shoots great and uses little powder .
My primary load for the 45 ACP uses 700-X. I have been using it for 30 years so I guess I like it. There are some other great powders for the 45, I just got hooked on the 700-X load

I also have used 700-X in the 380 ACP with good results.

So, if you have a published load for the 9x19 and 700-X, give it a try.

Afy
November 20, 2010, 05:45 AM
Suprised no one mentioned VV N320 its all I use. Then again I only have access to VV and Tu powders.

BigBob3006
November 20, 2010, 07:23 AM
I suggest Winchester W-231. The powder meters well and burns cleaner than most of the other powders used in mid-sized cases I've gotten some excellent accuracy in .38 spec, 9mm, .380, .45ACP and the .45LC. My Dillon 550 seems to like it as much as I do.

FROGO207
November 20, 2010, 08:19 AM
For 115 FMJ I am using Blue Dot and Red Dot as I have a lot of this on hand. It meters OK for me in my Pacific measure and the Blue dot burns a bit dirty but the results are good. I am all into good groups. I now have some Unique to try and the fun begins again.:D

Sherri
November 20, 2010, 01:49 PM
I'm new to reloading, too. A friend recommended Unique as a good powder to start with, so I bought a pound.

First I worked up a load for my .32 and then loaded all my brass.

Next I worked up a load for my Glock 19. I've got about a third of my brass loaded.

Unique meters well for me on the Square Deal B. I don't let the powder measure tube fall below 1/3 full, and I give it a tip-tap with my knuckle before each charge. Every 10th charge or so goes on the scale.

I have a pound of Power Pistol and Bullseye to try, but for now I'm happy with Unique.

ir3e971
November 20, 2010, 04:07 PM
for 9mm in cast, I have used:

Bullseye
Unique
Ramshot ZIP
Titegroup

I am partial to Unique and ZIP with LRN.

soloban
November 20, 2010, 08:36 PM
I use 6.0 Gr of Power Pistol under a 115 Gr FMJ. Very clean, meters well and great results in my CZ-75B

wankerjake
November 20, 2010, 10:01 PM
I like Titegroup and Bullseye in 9mm, they both meter well. Winchester 231 also meters well, haven't tried it in 9mm though...yet.

frankge
November 20, 2010, 10:03 PM
I'm running 6.5g of poer pistol under a 124g fmj and find it a little hot.

Sapper771
November 20, 2010, 10:24 PM
Try 5.4gr of Unique under your MG 115gr FMJ at 1.135". This load was one of my best in my G17. When I used Federal primers with this load, it produced 3" groups at 25 yards. I switched over to Remington primers and that group opened up.

Unique def does not meter well. I still use it because it seems to do very well in all of my Glocks. It also offers good load density. One to two tenths of a grain off per charge shouldn't hurt as long as you aren't loading on the hot side of your data.

armoredman
November 20, 2010, 11:43 PM
I use Accurate Arms #7 for 9mm, cast and jacketed, and get great results. As for weighing charges, I weigh every tenth throw just to be consistant, works for me. My Uniflow is very consistant, which helps. :)

Sauer Grapes
November 21, 2010, 12:12 AM
I'm new to reloading so I use what I have on hand for my shotgun loads. I use the Lee Auto disk powder measure and I found Greendot meters perfect every time in my cast bullit laods. Wheather I measure one drop or ten drops, it's always the same. I haven't tried my unversal powder yet.

ArchAngelCD
November 21, 2010, 02:06 AM
I swung by the Gun Stop on my way home today. I bought a pound of HP-38. From my understanding HP-38 has the same load data as Winchester 231. I hope to do some loading next week and make to the range.
My first reloads for the 9mm were 4.0gr W231/HP-38 under a 124/125gr LRN bullet and 4.4gr W231 under a 124gr FMJ bullet. Both worked well, were accurate and were on the light side used mostly for target practice. If you're using a pistol with a farily heavy slide or want a round that's more like a SD round then I would charge 4.4gr HP-38 under a 125gr LRN bullet and up the charge under a 124gr FMJ bullet to 4.7gr or 4.8gr of HP-38.

Those charge weights worked extremely well for me. I think you will like the results you get with HP-38/W231...

jeepmor
November 21, 2010, 09:30 AM
I've shot a lot of unique, bullseye and blue dot through my 9mm. All with good effect. I think bullseye is the most rounds per pound.

RealGun
November 21, 2010, 11:14 AM
I'm running 6.5g of poer pistol under a 124g fmj and find it a little hot.

That load is really suspect. The Alliant site lists 6.4 as the number, while the Hornady book lists 5.7 as the max. I thought 5.7 was a bully load with way too much flash and I dropped back to 5.4 and then 5.2, all with the same 124 gr FMJ bullets.

TH3180
November 21, 2010, 10:30 PM
I just got done doing some loading. I loaded 20 rounds with 4.5 grains of HP-38 and 20 rounds with 4.7 grains of HP-38. The powder is pushing Montana Gold 115 grain FMJ RN bullets. I hope to make it to the range on Tuesday to try them out.
I really like how the HP-38 metered. I hope I like how it shoots. I will report when I have a chance to shoot these 40 rounds.

frankge
November 21, 2010, 11:28 PM
my mistake, 115g bullet - but still really hot.

TH3180
November 21, 2010, 11:41 PM
my mistake, 115g bullet - but still really hot.
I'm confused, my rounds or your rounds are really hot?

Prion
November 22, 2010, 12:01 AM
+1 Power Pistol

918v
November 22, 2010, 12:05 AM
4.7grs of HP38 is a moderate load under a 115gr bullet.

bds
November 22, 2010, 03:48 AM
+1. 4.8 gr of W231/HP38 for 115 gr FMJ at 1.125" OAL.

For me, I prefer the heavier 124/125 gr 9mm bullets.

frankge
November 22, 2010, 09:17 AM
my rounds are hot. How does power pistol perform at a reduced load?

Yarddog
November 22, 2010, 10:24 AM
["The main reason for me is the large range from min to max load."]

Unique is a great powder & leaves room for +/-.1gr or 2, As I don't have no problem
metering it, It's not as dirty as it use to be And as stated already great range of cal.
380/9mm/38 & 357 is what I use it for. I clean my guns every trip to the range so
no problems at all ; )
Y/D

atblis
November 22, 2010, 10:25 AM
my rounds are hot. How does power pistol perform at a reduced load?
It does not do well at all. It has a "critical mass" of sorts. If you reduce the pressure it doesn't burn consistently. Great powder for full tilt loads though.

I am sure I am rehashing stuff other people have listed.

Bullseye-->Works great for 9mm. Can do reduced loads.
Power Pistol--> Meters well and makes good velocity. Misbehaves with reduced loads
Unique--> Makes pretty good velocity and fills the case (no chance of double charging).
TrueBlue-->Nuclear powder.
IMR 7625-->Slowish powder. Meters awesome
Blue Dot--> Didn't like this one. Was too touchy for my taste.

Bullseye is often over looked. People want new and sexy.

Zip is interesting. On my list to try once I use up the 32lbs of Unique I have left.

italy176
November 22, 2010, 11:14 AM
Great thread...

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Vihtavuori 3N37. There is a lot of free reloading data out there for 3N37 (here on the High Road too), it meters well, and it can be used for mellow loads/high velocity loads. 3N37 can be pricey and sometimes hard to get but, I dig it.

On the flip side (cheap/easy to find) I like Blue Dot. The powder is pretty cheap ($80-$90 for 5lbs). Blue Dot may not be as powerful as Power Pistol and the like but, I load mostly for carbine barrel lengths and the slower burning Blue Dot yields better results.
Good luck and have fun!

Walkalong
November 22, 2010, 11:22 AM
I bought some 3N37 at the last show, but the first thing I intend to try it in is actually .32 ACP.

3N37 should work great in 9MM (and by all reports it does). I know N320, N330, & N340 work great in 9MM. I also like True Blue and AA #5 for medium to full loads. N320 and 700X for light loads.

RidgwayCO
November 22, 2010, 01:16 PM
My earlier recommendations for Accurate #2, #5, #7, and Universal were based on the OP's original request where I assumed he was looking for economy and good performance.

VihtaVuori 3N37 is my go-to powder for SD factory duplication loads, primarily with the Speer 124gr GDHP. I've found I can duplicate the performance of the factory Speer 124gr GDHP +P load in my semi-autos at less than the SAAMI standard load max average pressure limit (35,000 psi). I found that 3N37 is just a tad slower than Alliant Power Pistol in the 9mm Luger (requiring .2gr more to attain equal velocity), but 3N37 does its work with MUCH less muzzle flash. YMMV.

Xfire68
November 22, 2010, 01:21 PM
I have used Tightgroup, Bullseye, Power Pistol and AA #5. For 9mm, .40 S&W and .380. They all work fine but, I favor Power Pistol and AA #5.

TH3180
November 22, 2010, 02:13 PM
My earlier recommendations for Accurate #2, #5, #7, and Universal were based on the OP's original request where I assumed he was looking for economy and good performance.
You are correct, my main reason to start reloading is to save money in the long run.

JimPGov
November 22, 2010, 02:26 PM
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x160/JIMPGOV/sdc11090.jpg
HERE IS VV330 WILL DO AT 50YDS FROM A RANSOM REST. JIM P

zxcvbob
November 22, 2010, 02:26 PM
The most economical powder for 9mm is Alliant Promo. It is also clean-burning and accurate. (top velocity will be mediocre but not bad.) Promo measures about the same as Unique.

bds
November 22, 2010, 05:34 PM
zxcvbob, although I prefer W231/HP38 first for 9mm (especially for 124/125 gr) and Bullseye second (especially for 115 gr), the more I use Promo the more I like it!

MrWesson
November 22, 2010, 06:38 PM
If you shoot cast lead I hear Winchester WST is tough to beat and will cut down on the smoke.
I have been shooting bullseye and it smokes horrible when shooting cast lead but is accurate and econimical. I now shoot at an indoor range otherwise I would keep using it.
I bought some WST today so it looks like i'll find out.

wrangler5
November 22, 2010, 06:57 PM
The bulk of my 9mm loads are for IDPA/USPSA shooting and practice. Because of spotty availability over the past few years I've worked up equivalent loads (~1030fps for 124g bullets from a Glock 19) for AA#5, W231, HS6, PowerPistol and TiteGroup. All of them meter like water in my Lee disk and Dillon measures.

TiteGroup works out to be the least expensive per round, and gives the lowest standard deviation in my loads. TiteGroup was also the most commonly used powder among competitors at the IDPA national matches a few years ago (haven't seen a report on the most recent matches.)

All powders can push a 124g bullet to ~1080fps, which is what Speer Gold Dot non +P loads do out of my gun, but only PowerPistol has room to spare above the charge needed to do this. The others are at or within 0.1-0.2g of their max load at this velocity. Still, for my mostly-target purposes, they all do the job well.

LightningMan
November 23, 2010, 12:24 AM
I've used 6.5 grs. of PowerPistol w/124 gr. XTP bullets and yes they are on the warm side but its not hard to control recoil in a full size pistol. If I want to practice with loads that comes close to some of the expensive +P SD ammo, this is what I use. LM

67rschev
November 23, 2010, 02:28 AM
+1 Power Pistol

Clean and accurate with all bullet selections . Load em a little hot , and watch every head turn , big ole Hollywood sized flash ..... BUT not so good for night ops :fire:

Daniel Rando
December 4, 2010, 09:58 AM
Combat Comp. Load : 4.7gr. WSF 124gr. Copper Wash P.S. Shootem in the head.

CZDave
December 8, 2010, 09:23 PM
Does anyone know why Lymans 49th does not list load data for 9mm 124gr bullets?

Walkalong
December 8, 2010, 09:32 PM
Use 125 Gr data. One grain difference is meaningless.

CZDave
December 8, 2010, 09:38 PM
Thx Walka - I just found noylj's and bds' posts from November about this.

Walkalong
December 8, 2010, 09:43 PM
It's a common question.

1SOW
December 8, 2010, 10:10 PM
4.7" bbl, Light load: 124/125 jacketed -RN & HP, 4.0 grs N320, 1040'/sec. (n320 has a small range of min to max load, and max load isn't fast)

Win231 shot well at this speed, but shot dirty.

Going to try 700X soon--same speed range.

Walkalong
December 8, 2010, 11:47 PM
700X works well for light loads.

ArchAngelCD
December 9, 2010, 02:19 AM
If you think W231 was dirty at lower pressures you are just going to hate 700X!

Walkalong
December 9, 2010, 08:25 AM
My experience with 700X at low pressure has been just the opposite, very clean. Solo 1000 does even better. There is a "too low" for any powder though.

If you try it, let us know.

ArchAngelCD
December 10, 2010, 02:42 AM
My experience with 700X at low pressure has been just the opposite, very clean. Solo 1000 does even better. There is a "too low" for any powder though.
Hey, I could be wrong and usually am... Am I thinking of 800X then??

54lariat
December 10, 2010, 02:52 AM
I shoot the heck out of Tite Group, last 1700+ rounds I have loaded in various grain bullets with better results compared to blue dot... but that is what my XD's prefer:D

Walkalong
December 10, 2010, 08:16 AM
Am I thinking of 800X then??Never used it. I have had 700X shoot dirty a couple of times, but in each case a tad more powder/pressure cleaned it right up.

918v
December 10, 2010, 12:28 PM
231 may look dirty, but it does not leave unburnt flakes all over the place to interfere with the intricate mechanisms of modern crunchentickers.

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