Other than the Good Ol' USA


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InkEd
November 14, 2010, 10:09 AM
I was curious BESIDES the United States, what other country do you feel designs/produces the best (or just your favorite) firearms?

You may have different countries for different types of firearms.

You cannot pick a foreign clone/country for a US design.
(i.e. SAA from Italy or 1911 from the Phil. Islands) :neener:

FWIW: The BHP is IMHO a gray-area. So, you can claim it as Belgian but none of the other FN/Browning stuff. Okay? (JMB was the best ever. He worked for FN which is Belgian but JMB was American. It's not totally fair but just for the sake of the thread
pick something else.)

My vote are as followed:
Croatian: HS2000

Modern Rifle:
Swiss: Sig550

Bolt Rifle:
British: Enfield

Machine Gun:
German: MG-42

SMG:
German: MP-5

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papa_bear
November 14, 2010, 12:02 PM
Russia and germany would be my vote for best manufacturing firearms. I would even put them above the US

Russia- Saiga's/AK's/SKS/makarov

Germany- H&K's and Walthers

essayons21
November 14, 2010, 12:07 PM
As far as modern manufacturers, Brazil, Philippines, and Croatia

papa_bear
November 14, 2010, 12:12 PM
-1 on Brazil and Philippines

essayons21
November 14, 2010, 12:28 PM
Care to elaborate on why?

Springfield's high quality 1911s and M1As are sourced from Brazil. Armscor produces quite a few nicely made firearms from the Philippines.

meytind
November 14, 2010, 12:30 PM
HK in Germany, FN in Belgium, and Izhevsk Manufacturing in Russia. Handguns, SMGs, Rifles, Machine Guns, and Grenade Launchers of the highest quality.

m500'92
November 14, 2010, 12:39 PM
You cannot pick a foreign clone/country for a US design.
(i.e. SAA from Italy or 1911 from the Phil. Islands)

Agreed for that, they didn't design it so they shouldn't really get any credit

German/Swiss - Sig-Sauer P220 Series
German - Sauer SxS Shotgun
British - SxS Shotguns (have an Isaac Hollis)

Surprised the Glock fans haven't come out yet...

kayak-man
November 14, 2010, 12:57 PM
These may not be "the best," but I like them:

Russia: AK, PPSH, SKS, Makarov
Austria: GLOCK, Fuchs Fine Guns
Belgian: FAL
Germany: Mauser C96

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson

KodiakBeer
November 14, 2010, 01:08 PM
The Czechs have to be near the top of the list. The Bren (ZB 26) light machine gun. The CZ pistols, particularly the 75. The VZ 58 assault rifle.


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One-Time
November 14, 2010, 01:13 PM
Many Euro nations, Germany, Austria, Switzerland

Furncliff
November 14, 2010, 01:28 PM
Czechoslovakia ... CZ and Bruno for most bang for the buck.

Nushif
November 14, 2010, 02:07 PM
My choice:
Taurus (their original designs appeal to me, like the Millenium Pro series)
England (for the Webley)

Wife's Choice:
Italy. Beretta.

9mmepiphany
November 14, 2010, 04:26 PM
Czechoslovakia, for the conventional old world quality - their CZ 75 pistols, 452 & 550 bolt actions, and VZ 58 assault rifles are all outstanding.

South Africa - for their cutting edge Neostead pump action high capacity shotgun

Austria - a forth gen assault rifle in the P90

Germany - for their post-war innovation with the H&K roller delayed G3 and MP-5, squeeze-cocker P7, polymer framed ergo-wonder P30, and the Blaser straight-pull bolt action rifle

hso
November 14, 2010, 04:34 PM
Italy

Finland

therewolf
November 14, 2010, 05:47 PM
Italy:

Beretta 92FS-'nuff said.
&
Galesi CCW or " Safe Queen"- actually a hilarious little jammomatic in any caliber

Germany-Walther-PK,PPK, P38, amongst others

Russia-AK47

Czechoslovakia--CZ75 can't wait to try an SP01

InkEd
November 14, 2010, 05:47 PM
What model made you pick Finland?

Mike OTDP
November 14, 2010, 07:08 PM
OneTime pegged it. Almost all the top makers are German, Swiss, or Austrian.

rayman
November 14, 2010, 07:26 PM
Japan - Citori?

MistWolf
November 14, 2010, 11:17 PM
Germany- Mauser 98s, in particular the 1909 Argentine and the old "Broomhandle". H&K for the 91 and I've always wanted the ol' H&K staple gun- the VP70z. Luger for the Artillery model P08- the sexiest Luger pistol ever made. Walther for the PK/PPK series pistols and their new little 22s

Belgium- Fabrique Nationale because they made so many fine firearms for John Moses Browning. FN also brought us the Fal- the right arm of the free world and the FN49 that begat it

Austria- Steyr has made some the most beautiful Mannlicher stocked rifles ever. They also make fine precision rifles with accurate cold hammer forged barrels. They also brought us the finest version of the Fal ever made- the STG58

South Africa- They obtained licenses of good weapons to produce some of the best weapons in the world and in the midst of world sanctions and embargoes, had the balls to supply Rhodesia with sanitized version of their R1, their designation for SA produced metric FALs, to fight terrorists.They were also innovative in designing & modifying weapons on their own

Britain- Start with the Lee-Enfield and make your way through such hallowed names as Wesley-Richards, Martini, Holland & Holland and Webly.
Let your thoughts carry you to far off Africa and India and of which Express double rifle to carry on safari, or to the open meadows of English countryside hunting woodcock with a delightful side by side shotgun made by one of the many British gun makers

Finland for Sako and the Valmet, Isreal for the Galil and the Uzi. Finally, Honorable mention to Argentina and Brazil for the well made licensed Fals and 1911s they have produced

Pronghorn
November 15, 2010, 11:42 AM
Germany: Mauser bolt action and the MP44 which was the first assault rifle

Russia: By far my favorite, and will always be... the AK47 :)

oneounceload
November 15, 2010, 11:47 AM
Italy, Germany, Spain, England, Belgium ALL produce better shotguns than anything made here.maybe excepting Galazan's stuff at CSMC.

The Italians, Germans and Austrians also make some fine rifles.

The Japanese do a great job of cloning other designs and making quality products

henschman
November 16, 2010, 08:46 PM
My favorite handgun, the Glock, is German designed.

As for shotguns, Benelli in Italy makes a fine one.

Rifles? Oh man, you got me there. Apparently nobody else in the world likes to make full-power autoloading rifles with windage and elevation click-adjustable aperture sights and a decent sight radius. I guess the Belgian-designed FN FAL would have to be my next choice if I couldn't have an M-14 or M-1... or possibly a Zionist-designed IMI Galil in 7.62x51.

I could get by on foreign-designed handguns and shotguns, but thank god for American-designed rifles! And if you could pick one type of firearm to be the best at, I'd say rifles is definitely the one.

Hatterasguy
November 16, 2010, 10:35 PM
Switzerland and Germany IMHO know how to make a rifle, with the Fins and Belgians right behind.

I find the pre WW2 rifles to be of exceptional quality with craftsmanship you just don't see these days. My model 1911 Swiss rifle was made in 1915 and even though its 95 years old is still tight, and shoots like the day it was new. You can tell the guys who put it together took a lot of pride in their work.

Once you get up to about oh 1942 the rifles that came from the country's that were fighting are not as good, at that point they were just trying to get as many guns into the field as possible, if it went bang it was shipped off to the front. Also the guys who made them with experience were replaced by people who were hastily trained and worked long shifts, and in some cases like in Germany with slaves. A lot of the rifles made by slaves were purposely sabotaged.

Jed Carter
November 17, 2010, 04:53 AM
Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Czechoslovakia come to mind.

Robert
November 17, 2010, 10:13 AM
or possibly a Zionist-designed IMI Galil in 7.62x51.
Silly me I thought they were Israeli made...

Zundfolge
November 17, 2010, 10:34 AM
or possibly a Zionist-designed IMI Galil in 7.62x51. Silly me I thought they were Israeli made...
So lets just rename this thread "Other than the Yankee Imperialists"

HGUNHNTR
November 17, 2010, 10:37 AM
I don't think the u.s. is even in the top three.

1. Germany
2. Switzerland
3. Italy

The Lone Haranguer
November 17, 2010, 07:10 PM
Austria and the Czech Republic. :) (Glock and CZ, respectively.)

oneounceload
November 17, 2010, 07:37 PM
My favorite handgun, the Glock, is German designed.


Close......Austrian


some folks may want to check out Philip Ollendorf or Peter Hofer from Austria for the finest rifles ever made today

http://hoferwaffen.com/hofer_1.php?lang=en

http://www.jagdwaffen-ollendorff.com/index.php?node=1&lang=EN

With bespoke guns costing up to $600,000 and using the finest woods and metals......the best engravers..and innovations like the smallest double rifle....(the 22 hornet double @ 2.2#).these folks make the best rifles anywhere

Spec ops Grunt
November 17, 2010, 08:06 PM
Russia!


Nagant, AK, Makarov, T34 Tank.



The last one counts, right?

I bet the PPSH is fun to shoot.

MrWesson
November 17, 2010, 08:36 PM
some may call me crazy for this but

TURKEY

they seem to do a good job at replicating quality firearms and doing so very cheap a winner in my book.

TexasBill
November 18, 2010, 02:17 AM
I think the BHP should count: While is based on a Browning design, the final product was the work of Dieudonné Saive. Among other things Saive developed the staggered magazine used to increase the High-Power's capacity. In addition, it was developed for FN in response to a French requirement for a new service sidearm.

So, Belgium is a definite.

Switzerland: SIG

Germany: Walther, Mauser, H&K, just to mention a few.

Italy: Beretta - they've been making guns since 1526; they seem to have figured it out fairly well.

Austria: I many not be a Glock fan, but the concept is brilliant. Steyr for exquisite rifles.

Great Britain: For an anti-gun country, they sure produce some beautiful shotguns and rifles.

m500'92
November 18, 2010, 02:26 AM
I think the BHP should count: While is based on a Browning design, the final product was the work of Dieudonné Saive. Among other things Saive developed the staggered magazine used to increase the High-Power's capacity. In addition, it was developed for FN in response to a French requirement for a new service sidearm.

Browning designed the gun, it was just altered slightly due to his death, it was still double stack and had the same design, he basically just added a hammer to it and altered it slightly. It's still a Browning design. Just because he sold the design to a foreign company to make doesn't make it a foreign design.

9mmepiphany
November 18, 2010, 03:08 AM
Just because he sold the design to a foreign company to make doesn't make it a foreign design.

If the last Mazda RX-7 was designed in Southern California by an American working for Mazda, would that make it RX-7 an American design?

Browning was hired by FN to design the basis of the P-35 for them to the specs of a French contract. He didn't complete the design before his death and it was completed by a Frenchman. It was originally built in Belgium. Hi-Powers which were imported by the Browning Arms company, were built in Portugal.

I think you would correctly credit this to Belgium or even France, before you could credit it the the US

Bohemus
November 18, 2010, 12:11 PM
Slovakia - STI GP6

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