I acted real dumb at gun show today


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bushmaster1313
November 14, 2010, 04:04 PM
Went to a gun show and on the way out I spotted a certain gun I have wanted for a long time in very good condition for $600.

This was more than I had brought, but I put down a $40 deposit and went half a mile away to the ATM to get a total of $800.

When I came back to the table we went through all of the paperwork and I counted out what I thought was the price.

Turns out I was not wearing my glasses and the price was really $1600 and way out of my league.

I walked away very embarrassed.

Then I remembered my $40 deposit. I went back to the table and told him I had forgotten my deposit and said that for his trouble we should split the $40 and he could give me back $20.

He did, I apologized for wasting his time, and I thanked him for being a gentleman about it.

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yeti
November 14, 2010, 04:14 PM
With all the dumb things that go on at gun shows I don't believe you even start to approach the "Real dumb" threshold.

Was decent of you and the dealer to split the deposit.

Al Thompson
November 14, 2010, 04:15 PM
:D Two things I always carry at gunshows. Flashlight and glasses.

12131
November 14, 2010, 04:16 PM
You made an honest mistake, but imho, you shouldn't need to give him $20.
Anyway, time to go see the eye doctor.:evil:

Hanzo581
November 14, 2010, 04:16 PM
That's not that bad, but I don't see how you thought whatever firearm was so cheap, assuming he is selling it at retail price.

bushmaster1313
November 14, 2010, 04:22 PM
It was a Remington 31 riot gun.
$600 would be a fair price in good condition.
A very good price in excellent condition.

SuperNaut
November 14, 2010, 04:26 PM
I guarantee that the seller would have thought you were even dumber had you bought it for $1600.

bushmaster1313
November 14, 2010, 04:28 PM
I guarantee that the seller would have thought you were even dumber had you bought it for $1600.


Serial number on barrel and receiver placed it as a WWII gun and the barrel had a proof mark.

Condition was excellent.

Fat Boy
November 14, 2010, 05:18 PM
I don't think your actions were the least bit dumb- having worn "multi-focal" (read here "bi-focals") corrective lenses for the last several years, I am trying to get used to "multi-focal" contact lenses- it occurs to me that I can't see close up very well, and distance is really blurred at times, so the question is why am I even wearing the lenses? The short answer is that I don't like wearing framed glasses, so I continue to struggle- I went to a small gun show yesterday and needed to look at the price tags several times

Anyway, I think it was awfully decent of you to split the deposit with the seller-

Pocket Rocket
November 14, 2010, 05:50 PM
Did you think that not bringing a wad of cash with you would keep you within a budget? :D

I've gone to a show with $100 in my pocket only run off to the ATM and return.

fatelk
November 14, 2010, 06:00 PM
Honest mistake, but I can see where it would be embarrassing. Definitely not the dumbest thing I've seen at a gun show, not even in the top ten if that helps.:) Of course I'm an amateur when it comes to gun shows, don't go to as many as I used to and have never had a table at one.

I once saw what I thought was too good of a price on some assorted pistol magazines. An older couple had a table with just a few things on it. They had 8 or 9 clips in a pile (I know, magazines, whatever), nothing special, mostly 1911 and such, not even "pre ban hi cap" or collectible. There was price above them- $30 IIRC - too cheap for all of them, but absolutely insane for each. Most of them were $7 or $8 mags, maybe a couple of $15 ones at most.

I innocently asked if the price was each or all. They were so offended that for a second I thought they were going to spit at me or throw something! I'm really careful any more how I ask about such things if I'm not sure whether I'm seeing "someone doesn't know what they have" or "someone thinks they have gold".

InkEd
November 14, 2010, 06:42 PM
Good deals at gunshows have almost gone the way of the dodo bird.

thunder173
November 14, 2010, 07:11 PM
I went to a show at our local Sportmen's club a bit back,..saw prices that had me almost breaking out and laughing.....and folks were wondering why they weren't selling guns. I saw prices on used guns that were more than the full MSRP for new ones,...crazy,....

therewolf
November 14, 2010, 07:22 PM
I'm finding nowadays that I also have too take a good hard look at things I used to only casually glance at to see them properly.

I have to agree about taking a flashlight and glasses. A tape measure helps, too.

The last gun show I went to definitely had me walking away shaking my head. Some of the used gun prices were a little insane.

bushmaster1313
November 14, 2010, 08:49 PM
Good deals at gunshows have almost gone the way of the dodo bird.


There was a rack of Mosin Nagants, each between $100 and $120.

I did not know enough about them to buy one.

Al Thompson
November 14, 2010, 08:51 PM
Saw a full sized Glock for $800.00 this weekend. No idea if it was a G17 or G22, or what ever. They tend to retail around 500 here... :eek:

velojym
November 14, 2010, 08:58 PM
x2 on sayin' goodbye to good gunshow deals. I've priced a bunch of guns at the show, and went to Gander Mountain (not known for low gun prices) and found them to be cheaper than the gun show fare.
*sigh*

LibShooter
November 14, 2010, 09:01 PM
Turns out I was not wearing my glasses and the price was really $1600 and way out of my league.

What you did was an honest mistake. Dumb would have been going back to the ATM for another grand.

The vendor was a little slimy for keeping any of your deposit, if you ask me.

Full Metal Jacket
November 14, 2010, 09:07 PM
man that sucks! you're all excited that you found a gun you've been hunting and turns out it's way more than you thought.

that dealer shoulda given you your $40 back. that was a real scumbag thing he did keeping your $20. you didn't put him out any in anyway. can't tell me someone happened to come by with $1,600 for it in that short time you were gone.

stan rose
November 14, 2010, 09:16 PM
Similiar thing happened to me at the Westchester gun show in White Plains today. Was looking at a Winchester 63 deluxe in excellent condition, thought the price read $1200, on second glance the 1 was a 4. Another guy at that show had a Remington 31 riot, but his prices on M1s and 1903s were so high I didn't even bother checking it out.

Zombiphobia
November 14, 2010, 09:16 PM
I don't think he should have kept any of your money and yes, finding firearms USED priced high than MSRP NEW is getting to be far too common.
I don't think this particular issue has anything to do with the OP, but others mentioned it...
The Cabela's store in Glendale, Az has a bad habit of over-pricing, and sometimes mislabeling.

They were selling Save Edge rifles USED, in obviously used condition for as much and more than the new ones. I bough one from wal-mart brand new for less than they wanted for a used one.. They had a KelTec P32, USED, priced higer than a new one.
Methinks they need new management.

stan rose
November 14, 2010, 09:26 PM
My friend wanted to get his first .30-06, that why we went, he ended up finding a beautiful 1903a3, with a milled floorplate instead of its stamped one, absolutley gorgeous blueing, all sitting in a nice Bishop (or Fajen, I forget which), paid $350 out the door. Was it a steal?, no, but it was a very fair price. With the exception of that gun, and a guy who had alot of Mosins for $100 out the door, most of the gun prices were really high. The worst part was that no one was willing to negotiate, and there were alot of out of state vendors who did not care that the buyer was going to have to shell out another $25 for a local FFL.

Full Metal Jacket
November 14, 2010, 10:01 PM
years ago, you could find a good deal at gunshows (that was the whole point of them).

nowadays--you only find used car vendors with overpriced ammo/guns for sale.

gunshows are rarely worth your time anymore.

Justin Holder
November 14, 2010, 10:01 PM
I almost burst out laughing when at the used rack in Cabela's one day. They had a used Stevens 200 7mm-08 for $325. :what:

I had just seen the same gun down the road at Academy for $180 new.

welldoya
November 14, 2010, 10:02 PM
I'm going to play devil's advocate here - what's the purpose of a deposit if you don't lose it if you fail to complete the deal ? I'm glad you got part of your money back but honestly, I never understood the concept of a refundable deposit.
Why bother with a deposit at all ?

Girodin
November 14, 2010, 10:09 PM
The vendor was a little slimy for keeping any of your deposit, if you ask me.

Well if he was holding the gun not to sell it to anyone else and you gave him a deposit expressly for that purpose there is a good argument he ought not return any of it. If no one else came along asking and I were the the guy I would have simply returned it all.

I must agree with the sentiments above about gun show prices. I've never seen any gun stuff there that I could not get less somewhere else. My best scores at a gun show were a free hat that the marines gave me for doing 20 pull-ups at their booth and a used video game lol.

My local classifieds are about as bad. People asking more for their used bushmasters than I paid for my Noveske. Most of it is pretty laughable. Any good deals get snatched up quick so if you are in the market for something you need to be vigilant about watching know the price at which you will buy and jump on it.

stan rose
November 14, 2010, 10:28 PM
I remember my grand father telling me, when I was a bout sixteen, that just because we were at a gun show did not mean we were getting a good deal, the purpose of a gun show was that you saw alot of items at one place at the same time. With the advances in internet technology over the last two decades having the items under one roof is pretty much a dead issue. You can easily go on gunbroker, auction arms, or a dealers web page to find and compare prices on just about anything your heart desires. I do still enjoy walking around the shows and talking with the different individuals that frequent them.

HankB
November 14, 2010, 10:41 PM
I was at a gun show last week in San Antonio. Saw things like Yugo SKS rifles for $400. :what: And a "WWII" M1 Carbine with some swastikas carved in the stock - perhaps one for each Nazi killed? (Sure. Old advice: Buy the gun, NOT the story.)

Also lots of ammo at prices HIGHER than Cabela's or Academy. My guess is that some of these folks bought at the height of the shortage on speculation, and just can't bear to part with it at current prices.

I hadn't gone to a gun show for quite a while, and I was amazed at the sheer volume of Chinese JUNK being sold - copies of Eotech, Aimpoint, Surefire, and other brands, all at a fraction of the price of the real thing. Scopes, binoculars, lasers, flashlights . . . lots of stock furniture (forends, pistol grips, rails, etc.) . . . what was a trickle a year or two back, is now a flood.

Funny thing is, some of the smaller accessory sellers had perhaps one of these 'scopes or laser sights, slightly used, among their other stuff. My guess is they bought it because it was cheap, found it was JUNK, and were trying to unload it.

sig220mw
November 14, 2010, 10:46 PM
I agree about the high prices at the shows. This is why when I go it is usually to try to sell something or maybe buy some loading compponents if I can find them at a decent price. The guns are all priced too high.

When selling I usually will end up selling to an individual.

The good thing about the shows is the little gadgets that you often find that for some reason I can never find any where else.

mustang_steve
November 14, 2010, 11:04 PM
There was a rack of Mosin Nagants, each between $100 and $120.

I did not know enough about them to buy one.


Check the bolt for smooth operation, actually look for it to have some tolerance between it and the reciever. This is key to the rifle's reliability on long shoooting sessions. a 500rd range day is not a problem on a quality mosin-nagant.

The other thing to look out for is the marks, there are mosins out there that are being stamped with fake marks now. Hell, I've seen the nagant pistols stamped with bogus marks too.


The same toolboxes that are faking up the Lugers are now doing it to Russian arms. If you want a shooter, $125 for a Mosin with the kit is a fair price, $150 for a good specimen. For a collector piece, they can go up to about $600 for the rifle itself. Taking a $80 bare rifle and restamping it for a 300 dollar profit is why they are doing it. Same thing with the pistol, take a $100 pistol and stamp it to get about $400 out of it.

bushmaster1313
November 14, 2010, 11:06 PM
I'm going to play devil's advocate here - what's the purpose of a deposit if you don't lose it if you fail to complete the deal ? I'm glad you got part of your money back but honestly, I never understood the concept of a refundable deposit.
Why bother with a deposit at all ?

It means at the very least you will come back and that you are serious

Full Metal Jacket
November 14, 2010, 11:40 PM
The other thing to look out for is the marks, there are mosins out there that are being stamped with fake marks now. Hell, I've seen the nagant pistols stamped with bogus marks too.

what are the fake stamps to look out for?

thanx

Quoheleth
November 14, 2010, 11:49 PM
a 500rd range day is not a problem on a quality mosin-nagant.

But it is on a quality human shoulder.

(See 20th one under M/N column http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm)

:D

Q

Shadow 7D
November 15, 2010, 12:04 AM
Stupid would be buying at a gun show without knowing the going price.

Pronghorn
November 15, 2010, 12:48 PM
Thats not dumb, it is a simple mistake. Dumb is when you shoot a hole through the roof at the gun show (someone just did at a gun show in Fond du lac WI that I was at)

I was surprised by how mild people reacted, I don't even know what happened to the person that fired the rifle.

Hoppes Love Potion
November 15, 2010, 02:07 PM
I go to the gun shows for one main reason - the best dealer in the area will not haggle prices in his shop, only at the gun show. So, I pay the $7 fee and get the gun I want for 10% - 20% off his regular price.

Girodin
November 15, 2010, 03:02 PM
I never understood the concept of a refundable deposit.
Why bother with a deposit at all ?

Well one purpose of deposit, whether people understand it or not, is that it forms a binding contract. I promise to hold onto something is not binding, there is no consideration. The deposit acts as consideration.

stonecutter2
November 15, 2010, 03:25 PM
To the OP: Things happen, no worries. Nice of you to split the deposit. Would have been nicer of the dealer to just give it back, or even mention the deposit to you, but sometimes those folks aren't the most friendly.

I find that gun shows are a good place to physically check out something you've seen online, but otherwise prices are just high enough to make me feel like making an offer (a fair offer) would be an insult. When something is overpriced by 25%, I'm essentially asking for 25% off just to get to around market price - then there's the transfer fee to add on. It's just not worth the hassle of asking most of the time.

Two years ago, when people were scared of the return of Democrats to the White house, the prices were actually realistic at a local gun show. Guns were FLYING off the tables and out of the door. I remember prices being just about what you'd see online, and people making deals left and right!

The next year, prices were astronomical. I mean, crazy high. I left feeling like the entrance fee was a rip off.

This year was about as bad, though there were some vendors offering fair pricing. This past Saturday, the place was hopping, but not many people were buying. Sunday seemed absolutely desolate.

Also, this year neither the salsa guy nor the sausage guy showed up. The two vendors that I regularly and really enjoyed spending money at :(

I still like wandering the aisles, and I found a few things that I was looking for - only accessories though.

bonza
November 15, 2010, 03:29 PM
I often find myself having to double check the prices on handwritten price tags....the first '1' often blends in with the stroke on the $, making the $1600 look like a $600. Of course, my 50-year old eye sight isn't helping any even with reading glasses!

minutemen1776
November 15, 2010, 03:50 PM
Yesterday I went to my first gun show in at least a couple of years. Not much had changed. It seems like at least 80% of the stuff is overpriced, junk, or both.

I agree that the best thing about a gun show is that it gives you an opportunity to look at and handle things you've seen online or maybe just heard about. I've been considering an AK purchase, and I was able to look at everything from WASRs to Arsenals, and from Yugos to Saigas. I also saw Century's new Uzi build, as well as a semiauto version of the Sterling SMG. Checking out all these was worth the price of admission. For me, other than shooting one, there's nothing like handling a gun for me to know if I will love it or hate it.

Sheldon J
November 15, 2010, 03:51 PM
Yeah my eye's are getting older too but sloppy hand writing is their fault not yours, so anyone else here think that the asking was a tad high?

At gander MTN a few weeks back they had a sportorized "98" 30-40 Kraig and were asking.... drum roll.... over twelve hundred bucks!!! I asked why so much, n get this "It's a Springfield" (weren't they all) I asked if they had the gun smith magna flux the bolt as they broke a lot on that gun due to people pushing too hot of a round through them, he would not let me do a closer and I had to believe it was cracked.....

gym
November 15, 2010, 03:59 PM
you saved some money and paid for a vision test instead

griz
November 15, 2010, 06:19 PM
I did almost the same thing and saw the digit's correctly. I looked at the tag on a nice used double and it was only something like $300. I was thinking "that's VERY nice for 300" when I looked again. I had missed the last zero.

rondog
November 15, 2010, 06:53 PM
Nah, "stupid" is if a round was discharged when the gun was handled. Seems that happens every so often here in Denver.

Sawblade
November 15, 2010, 08:06 PM
I was eyeballing an old beat up iver johnson shotgun that I wanted to use for parts at the last show in MD that I thought was $80, but turned out to be $280. I blew up laughing, put it back on the rack and walked away. I had an excuse though, I had laser PRK done 3 days prior and everything still had halos around it at the time.

DustyVermonter
November 15, 2010, 11:26 PM
I've had my time wasted in a lot worse ways than that, at least you had the decency to offer to compensate him for the slight amount of inconvenience caused to him.

I agree though, the decent thing to do on his part would have been to rescind the deposit.

content
November 15, 2010, 11:38 PM
Hello friends and neighbors // Congrats for spotting a fine shotgun.

With the proof mark, it would almost be worth $20.00 to hold a WWII Rem. 31 Riot.

Excellent condition Model 31s go for up to $1300 here so $1600 at a gun show is not too over the top IMHO.

My Rem. 31 (roller bearing action) is still running smooth one of the finest shotguns ever made as far as I'm concerned. I look for them wherever I travel and have never seen one like you describe.

I hope you find one for a resonable price to add to your collection.

bushmaster1313
November 15, 2010, 11:52 PM
$20 bucks is way too much to hold an old shotgun.
Catch me on the 4th of July and you can fire my WWII Stevens 620 for free.


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bobbidoll
November 16, 2010, 03:08 PM
you know there are 2 sides to every story, you put a deposit in a gun you don't take the gun, it is the dealers right to keep the deposit, he was a very nice dealer. You could have ask him to read the price to you, If you all would take 3 months and travel the show circuit, have your guns clanked togeather by someone who thought the price of admission gave him the right to grab, scrach, break, someones elses merchantdise without even asking to touch. you would have a better understanding.
bobbi

henschman
November 16, 2010, 08:41 PM
Man, I hate when you think you found a great deal, but then you see that extra digit on there. Sadly, the outlandish prices some people want for certain guns makes it so that you can knock a digit off and not immediately trigger your BS alarm.

I would strongly disagree with what you guys are saying about the deposit, though. I would have never asked for it back, any more than I would buy a candy bar, eat it, and ask for my money back because I didn't find it to be satisfying. The man gave up something of value for value received. It doesn't matter whether you thought it was worth it after the fact... all that matters is that you thought it was a good enough deal to enter into at the time you entered into it, and that you did so voluntarily.

DT Guy
November 16, 2010, 08:46 PM
For something at a gun show to qualify as 'real dumb', something has to have one more hole in it than it did when it came in.

Sounds like you both came to a gentlemanly agreement on allowing you to gracefully pull out of the deal. If more people acted that way, the world would turn much more smoothly, IMHO.


Larry

Tom488
November 17, 2010, 01:40 AM
Is it just me, or when reading the OP's story, was anyone else reminded of the scene in Lethal Weapon when Riggs was counting out money to buy the coke? :D

skipjack
November 17, 2010, 02:00 AM
I don't take deposits in my store. Mainly, because of the reasons many
have posted here. If someone comes in, puts, say $20 on a gun, then that
is his gun. A cash buyer comes in after the deposit guy, asks about said
gun, told it is sold. Deposit guy renegs...blown sale for my store.

I take checks, cash and most plastic, even Amex. If you are not interested in using any of those, oh well. Someone else will be. It's not personal, I am running a business to make a profit by selling items at a fair price in a business like way. The few times I have bent the rules, it invariably has bitten me in the butt.

Erik M
November 17, 2010, 02:37 AM
how long before they charge you at the table (they already do at the door) just to look at what they have for sale?

kaferhaus
November 17, 2010, 08:38 AM
with all the dumb things that go on at gun shows i don't believe you even start to approach the "real dumb" threshold.

amen to that!

bobbidoll
November 17, 2010, 11:43 AM
You know it has been years since we travled the gunshow circuit, the highest admission back then was abt $5.00 and that was at the great western(LA Co. fairgrounds) and the Huston Collectors show. and we didn"t get any of the entrance fee, we paid $75.00 per table, We generaly had 2 setups of 5 tables each. We sure didn't get rich, but we made a living.
Bobbi

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