25-06 v 270


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Old Scratch
November 14, 2010, 08:07 PM
270 is still quite popular for deer here in Michigan. Any thoughts on the 25-06? I never see them around, although it would seem like a higher velocity, even milder recoil alternative.

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Tentwing
November 14, 2010, 09:00 PM
Follow this link
http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=26682

They debate the 25-06 and the 270.

Personally I love my 25-06:) .......Tentwing

Coal Dragger
November 14, 2010, 09:08 PM
If I was only going to own one centerfire hunting rifle (perish the thought!) and my choices were either a .25-06 or a .270 I would always pick the .270. It shoots nearly as flat as the .25-06, but slings a heavier bullet that can be used to step up to larger game than deer when used with a premium bonded or expanding copper solid bullet.

Now if you already owned a .270, .280, .280AI, or .30-06 and wanted to add the high stepping .25-06 for antelope and such then by all means go for it.

Not to disrespect the .25-06, it's a great deer/antelope round, but the .270 is more versatile.

sappyg
November 14, 2010, 09:21 PM
straight up i'll pick the 270 winchester over the 25-06 any day of the week.

Jonny V
November 14, 2010, 09:21 PM
Agreed, you can do a lot more with the 270 than you can with the 25-06.

atblis
November 14, 2010, 09:28 PM
If you plan on hunting deer most of the time, 270.

If you plan on spending a decent amount of time shooting varmints, but want to plug the odd deer...25-06.

If you find a deal on a rifle you like in either caliber... go for it.

DirtyHarry31
November 14, 2010, 10:14 PM
270 Winchester is the most versitile. Wider range of bullets to use, flat shooting, point at anything & hit it caliber. I have a Remington 700 Sendero in 270 & it's a tack driver. Get some nice optics & you'd be ready to reach way out & touch something. Easier on recoil except when heavy bullets are used. It's a 7mm diameter bullet (.277) & the ballistic co-efficeint is ballanced for weight to length ratio. Hit's magnum velocities with 130 & lighter bullets. You can read in any forum where people have dropped elk with a heavy bullet no problem. Can get a variety of ammo anywhere. IMO

patsygarret
November 14, 2010, 10:18 PM
a .270 uses .277 caliber bullets, a 7mm uses .284 and are not interchangeable. both of them do have good b.c's though

Kachok
November 14, 2010, 10:26 PM
The advantage of the 25-06 is with their high speed 100 gr bullets with an aprox .400 BC. 110gr 270s are not as streamlined. With the 115-120s the 25-06 is not any faster then the 130gr 270. Either way it is a lower recoiling alternative, and many of the 25-06 fans swear by the 117 gr HPBTs they say the terminal ballistics make them kill quicker then the 130gr 270s.

pabst_20
November 14, 2010, 10:26 PM
.270 win in a Remington 700 SPS

Justin Holder
November 14, 2010, 10:59 PM
I like both, but would choose the 25-06 because it is a better fit for Texas hunting. (ie: the 270 can't do anything the 25-06 can't do with less recoil)

A 115 or 120 grain Nosler Partition gives it performance equal to the larger bore.

sig220mw
November 14, 2010, 11:03 PM
Stick with the 270. If you handload you can use 100 grain bullets in it for varminting. They will be screamers at 3200 to 3400 fps. Use the 130, 140 or 150 grainers for big game.

Although I must say I know a fellow who uses 100 grain bullets in his 270 for deer and does so with great success.

longdayjake
November 14, 2010, 11:18 PM
The ONLY thing I would choose the .270 for over the .25-06 is elk. If you are not shooting elk the .25-06 will kill a deer as well or better than a .270 and will shoot flatter too. However, if you don't handload the .270 has a lot more choices for factory ammo. If you do handload the .25-06 is probably the most fun caliber to load for aside from 6.5 stuff.

HOOfan_1
November 15, 2010, 12:39 AM
Now if you already owned a .270, .280, .280AI, or .30-06 and wanted to add

I'd take the .280 over the .270 too. I might even take it over the .30-06, but I already have a .30-06, and it is hard to find rifles chambered in .280

MistWolf
November 15, 2010, 12:44 AM
I did take the 280 over the 270. Still, the 270 is a classic

Maverick223
November 15, 2010, 02:38 AM
I'd take the .280 over the .270 too. I might even take it over the .30-06...No contest, the .280Rem. is quite simply the best cartridge (at least from a design standpoint), however it isn't the easiest cartridge to find nor is it the cheapest, so I would probably have to go with the .270Win. or '06Spd. if I didn't handload. One of my ongoing projects is a .280Rem. conversion...doesn't mean i'll abandon the '06...but i'll probably use it less.

BTW, I would definitely take the .270Win. over the .25-06Rem., the former is still a bit overbore...but the .25-06Rem. is a screamer; IMO there is simply no reason to waste all that powder on that dinky little bullet.

:)

atblis
November 15, 2010, 08:46 AM
280 Ackley Improved

68wj
November 15, 2010, 10:31 AM
Flip a coin. Be sure that you can find ammo if you don't handload.

joed
November 15, 2010, 04:00 PM
Thirty two years ago I bought my first centerfire rifle, a Remington 700 Varmint Special. I remember thinking the .243 was to small and I wanted a .270 Winchester. The man behind the counter ran down the list and told me the VS was not available in .270 and the closest cartridge to the .270 was the .25-06. Reluctantly I purchased the rifle in .25-06.

In the 32 years I've owned the .25-06 I have never regretted that decision. I've hunted ground hogs in Ohio every chance I got. As a varmint cartridge the .25-06 is spectacular, it hits hard and shoots flat. If I could see a ground hog it was in mortal danger.

The same rifle was used for deer hunting and went bear hunting in Canada with me. I never felt that I was under gunned. As long as I chose the right bullet all kills were one shot.

After 32 years I did have to replace the barrel as the original was getting tired. I pretty much could have chosen any caliber or cartridge at this point. What did I pick? The choice was easy for me, .25-06.

Everyone should own a .25-06. It's a fantastic cartridge for varmints to Elk.

dougw47
November 15, 2010, 04:19 PM
At the moment, I have 3 270's. They have done everything I asked.

For something new, I would consider a 25-06...had one 30 years ago (Ruger) and it was a big disappointment. But, that was the rifle, not the round.

I have one friend that shoots the 25, and it is a one-shot deal on deer, hogs and 'lopes. Nice cartridge, just darned hard to find on a dealer's shelf.

Old Scratch
November 15, 2010, 06:18 PM
Thanks for the input, gang.

joed
November 15, 2010, 09:17 PM
When I bought the .25-06 I did not think it would be around long. I had to buy ammo at gun shops and soon learned to reload. Fast forward to now, even Walmart sells .25-06 ammo here. Not only has it hung on, it's gotten more popular.

To dougw47, I also owned a Ruger 77 Varmint in .25-06 for a short while. For a rifle that was touted as being a target rifle it was not very accurate. May have kept it for a month and gave up. The only Ruger I have now is a Red Label shotgun, that one I like.

Maverick223
November 15, 2010, 09:42 PM
I also owned a Ruger 77 Varmint in .25-06 for a short while. For a rifle that was touted as being a target rifle it was not very accurate.That reminds me of a dealer at a local gun show. He had two rifles side by side chambered for the same varmint cartridge (.22-250Rem. IIRC)...one a new Ruger M-77, the other a new Savage M-12. I was talking to a friend who asked me about the cartridge; I explained that I liked the Ruger, because of the CRF action, but it wasn't the right choice for such a chambering because they don't tend to be notably accurate (though they are said to be better than the older ones). The seller swore up and down that it would out-shoot the Savage any day of the week...I was rather amused by his failed attempt at a selling job.

Then again...what do I know?...he could have sabotaged the Savage. :p

68wj
November 15, 2010, 09:46 PM
My Ruger .25-06 has trouble shooting groups larger than 3/4" @100. My Ruger .270 has trouble shooting groups less than 1.5" at same distance. Go figure. :o

Kachok
November 15, 2010, 09:59 PM
I don't think you could ever go wrong deciding between the 25-06 and the 270 win, both are great. I have owned two 270s so I will probably go with the 25-06 next, Grandpa had one, quarter bores just rock. People that I have know who hunt with both all say the 25-06 drops deer a little quicker, although there is no logical reson why that should be the case.

Maverick223
November 15, 2010, 10:41 PM
My Ruger .25-06 has trouble shooting groups larger than 3/4" @100. My Ruger .270 has trouble shooting groups less than 1.5" at same distance. Go figure.I don't doubt it...their barrels are supposed to be much improved. Just saying that, on average, a Ruger M-77 isn't likely to best a Savage M-12. I like Ruger, they build a pretty good rifle, on a solid action.

:)

Old Scratch
November 16, 2010, 05:27 PM
Here I thought I was leaning toward the 270...after all your comments, now I'm looking at the 25. Q for 68wj...do you handload for either, both? That is a substantial difference in accuracy for two cartridges so outwardly similar.

68wj
November 16, 2010, 05:36 PM
Q for 68wj...do you handload for either, both? That is a substantial difference in accuracy for two cartridges so outwardly similar.
I do. The .270 is a lightweight "all weather" model and I only recently found a load combo that would give me 1". The .25-06 is sitting in a bedded Fajen stock and shoots factory and handloads very well. Both are M77 MK2s (not sure the years).

I wouldn't read too much into it though. Either caliber is capable of great accuracy but dependent on the rifle and nut behind the stock.

kaferhaus
November 16, 2010, 05:49 PM
Accuracy difference between the two is hard to quantify.... the particular rifle, the particular load and of course the shooter....

It's been my experience that generally speaking the 25-06 tends to be a bit more accurate with everything else being equal.

However, I've seen a few 270s that were like lasers. But not many.... more often the 25 is gonna be the winner in a accuracy contest.

As to brands.... I've only had one Savage that didn't shoot like a house afire... and I've owned dozens of them. They're one ugly rifle but they usually perform better than rifles that cost 3 and 4 times as much.

I've seen Remingtons that shot great and a bunch that shot like crap. I've had maybe 2 dozen Rugers, all shot acceptable groups for killing deer except the Mini 14 I had...... what a pig that was. Most of the Rugers were mediocre though....average at best.

The best shooting Ruger I ever had was a early 80s M77 in 300WM..... that thing would put 2 shots into .6 or .7 like religion..... never should have sold that one.

Had a bunch of Winchesters too, some good most average and a few pigs. Same with CZ, SAKO (way over rated in my opinion) and Weatherby...

Had a couple of Tikka's.... they were ok as well. But nothing to brag about.

Several Browning A-Bolts.... I was happy with most of them but the only really good one was a stainless 308 with the BOSS.... that thing shot great but the noise ran all my friends off....... had to sell it

Steel Talon
November 16, 2010, 06:07 PM
25-06 here. 115 grain nosler partitions is my bullet choice. Ive killed deer ,antelope some past 400yards DRT. I have also taken elk and caribou with out any problems also DRT. Once I draw a sheep tag I will use my 25-06 for that hunt

Tentwing
November 17, 2010, 04:37 PM
My 25-06 comes in the form of Ruger Hawkeye. 117gr Sierra Gamekings have some very bad side effects.....if your a whitetail;)

It shoots amazingly flat out to 300 yards. Thats punching holes in paper. As far as deer go there are very few long shot opportunities down here in my neck of the woods:)

All that being said I can't imagine not being happy with a good 270 as well.

Tentwing

joed
November 17, 2010, 08:56 PM
Old Scratch, even though I've owned the .25-06 for 30 years and think it's one of the top hunting cartridges around I'd first give some thought to the use.

If I were going for game larger then Elk I'd probably go for the .270. But in 30 years I haven't hunted anything in the US that I can't take with the .25.

And I still say everyone should own a .25-06. It has less recoil then a .270 and does almost anything a .270 can do.

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