Original box- Important or not?


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Just One Shot
November 19, 2010, 10:34 AM
How important is it for you to get the original box for a used gun on a trade or purchase? If it's important to you, how much does it devalue a handgun that is worth say around $900.- 1000. used.

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M-Cameron
November 19, 2010, 10:49 AM
it depends on if it a collector or if its a shooter.....

....like anything collectible....they are worth far more in the original box....


....but if its a shooter....i really only care about the condition of the gun....


....if you have a gun that is beat to hell......but it comes in the original box.....well the box is nice and all ...but i cant very well shoot the gun now can i.....


if youve got a collectible gun.....the price can be substantially higher if you have the original packaging..........

....but on a shooter....the box shouldnt really add or detract much from the price.

shotgunjoel
November 19, 2010, 10:54 AM
For a 10/22, no.
For a Registered Magnum, yes.

CoRoMo
November 19, 2010, 11:02 AM
The way I see it, or at least my experience has shown that, a lot of the time, when a gun owner has kept up with the original box, the owner's manual, even the packing materials within the original box, etc... the gun will have been well taken care of also. It's not necessarily valuable that the box is included and intact, but what that usually means about the gun's history.

oldbear
November 19, 2010, 12:14 PM
CoRoMo, excelent advise.

Keeping the box and Every Thing that came with it is an excelent idea, as it will generally increse the value of any weapon at the time of re-sale.

For years I tossed the box and paperwork, I now save everything, as Collectors do pay a premium for origional boxes, and all the other items that came with the origional purchase.

A.H. Fox
November 19, 2010, 12:14 PM
I typically throw them away. Especially since it slows the draw when I have to take it out of the original box to use the darn thing. :rolleyes:

mfcmb
November 19, 2010, 12:22 PM
When I see an offering that includes the original box and paperwork it makes me think that the seller is more likely to be a person who takes good care of his/her possessions, and potentially will be more honest/ethical in the transaction.

My conscious, rational mind is clear that the latter does not follow inexorably from the former, but to my subconscious mind it positively affects the way I regard the offering.

mcdonl
November 19, 2010, 12:43 PM
I keep the box for everything I have of value, at least until the warranty runs out. I keep gun boxes everytime. I am not a collector, and when a gun no longer interests me I sell it and get another one. With the original box, paperwork, lock (<-- haha... lock...) and other stuff that came with it.

achildofthesky
November 19, 2010, 12:50 PM
yes

sansone
November 19, 2010, 12:52 PM
I have known for many years to keep the original stuff that comes with gun. Used guns are worth more money this way. I would still purchase used without box if the gun was clean

esheato
November 19, 2010, 12:55 PM
Space is limited and being military we move around a bit.

Boxes are thrown out unless it's a collectible (only have one...67 Colt Python with orig box).

Everything else has a soft case/sleeve for moving purposes.

Old Fuff
November 19, 2010, 01:01 PM
I am aware of one case where a collector paid $360.00 at auction to get an original box for a 2.5" Colt Python. :what:

Sometimes a box and papers, in and of themselves, can bring a pretty fair return - even when the gun isn't a part of the package.

nwilliams
November 19, 2010, 01:54 PM
If you want to get more out of your gun if you ever decide to sell it then having the original box is big plus even if the gun is not collectible. People in general are willing to pay more if the original box is included, perhaps it makes the gun feel less used.

I save all the original boxes for my guns in the event I decide to sell that gun someday.

Of course I have a habit of saving the original boxes for a lot of other things as well besides just guns.

awgrizzly
November 19, 2010, 02:01 PM
Always keep the box and all the materials that came with the gun, including the plastic bag, tags, and sales slips. Place the box in a plastic bag and do not store the gun in it. It's not good for the gun, and constant opening of the box wears it out. This is especially important on unique, rare or potentially collectible guns. But it also enhances the value and saleability of common guns (you can advertise it as LNIB :) ). Plus it keeps all material together so it doesn't get lost.

The value of the original box and contents on collectible guns can add hundreds of dollars to the gun value. In addition, all parts that have been replaced (like original grips) must be retained to keep the gun in original condition.

But the real key is, what will be collectible. At the time of purchase when a person has the box they don't know. That is something that develops down the road, and if you pitched the box by the time it has collectible value it's too late. Consider a person who bought a cheap Ruger flat gate single six years ago. How would they know that some day it would become a treasure?

NavyLCDR
November 19, 2010, 02:40 PM
If you keep the original box, then you can always sell the gun as LNIB - Like New In Box. Otherwise, you will have to sell the gun as LNIAB - Like New In A Box.

People seem to think that by putting LNIB in their ad, it adds 25% to the value of the gun.

Just One Shot
November 19, 2010, 03:32 PM
I was wondering because I'm in talks with a guy for a trade on an HK USP .45 Tactical but he doesn't have the box. I have seen pics of it and it looks as if it's been well cared for.

He stated that it doesn't have a scratch on it, that the only place that shows any wear is the slide release and it's not down to the metal. We are supposed to meet up tonight to do the swap so I'll have a better idea of the condition when I see it for myself.

The fact that he doesn't have the box doesn't bother me personally but I know some people prefer to have it so I was wondering what the good folks of THR thought about it.

sansone
November 19, 2010, 03:46 PM
if it's clean and the price is right, the box would not stop me.. good luck buddy

awgrizzly
November 19, 2010, 05:38 PM
I was wondering because I'm in talks with a guy for a trade on an HK USP .45 Tactical but he doesn't have the box. I have seen pics of it and it looks as if it's been well cared for.

He stated that it doesn't have a scratch on it, that the only place that shows any wear is the slide release and it's not down to the metal. We are supposed to meet up tonight to do the swap so I'll have a better idea of the condition when I see it for myself.

The fact that he doesn't have the box doesn't bother me personally but I know some people prefer to have it so I was wondering what the good folks of THR thought about it.
Ahhh... not likely the box was lost. The H&K box makes a nice pistol case. If he bought it new he has the box. You might want to press him for it. Very good gun though, the box isn't a deal breaker.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m44/Grizzlyguy/usp45.jpg

Rembrandt
November 19, 2010, 05:48 PM
Have a couple of guns that I'd pay 4 figures for the original boxes if someone could provide them......

therewolf
November 19, 2010, 11:41 PM
While I have to agree that usually people who keep the box show fastidious care for the firearm, you occasionally get the person who kept the box and original trimmings(which all undoubtedly add value) against the day they might have to try to get rid of the gun when it's not in the best condition of and by itself.

Assuming the gun itself is in good shape, I agree the box and originals add
20 to 25% more value to the package in a resale.

A careful inspection of the gun, IMO, in any event, is a prudent move.

Don't be lulled into a false sense of security by an original box. A wise farmer once told me "Be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN to look a gift horse in the mouth. Orthodontist's bills could bankrupt you.":cool:

Sunray
November 20, 2010, 12:44 AM
"...a Registered Magnum..." A 10/22 Magnum? Registered by/with whom? Only made from 1998 to 2006. Not a collector's piece now. May or may not be in the future.
"...does it devalue..." Nope. Not a bad idea to keep it all. However, it only matters to collectors and collector grade firearms. Winchester Commemoratives, for example, are only collectable if they're still sealed in the original box. Assuming you can find somebody who wants it.

awgrizzly
November 20, 2010, 12:33 PM
Perhaps the question should be, is it important to throw away the box?

Having the original box and all that came with a gun is of course very important to collectors, but it's also important to a lessor extent for non-collectibles, even a 10/22. When you sell something do you not want to impress the buyer? The original box may not always make a lot of difference in the price, but it very well may help you sell the gun quicker. And it very well may reduce the haggling over the price.

Keeping the box also helps keep the other stuff that came with the gun that may be important to the buyer, such as the manual, or the extra magazine, scope mount/rings, or the original grips that you replaced with Hogues. If you put these in the original box you will know where they are. If you throw them in a junk box in back of a closet you might forget.

Keeping the box is passive, you should have a reason to throw it away.

smallbore
November 20, 2010, 04:53 PM
I keep the contents and toss the boxes. All my guns are working guns and are regularly cleaned/maintained. When I die they will be passed on to my surviving family members, who are all believers in the R2KBA.

wrs840
November 20, 2010, 05:04 PM
When I buy a used gun that comes with the original box, and even better, all of it's original contents, (and maybe even the original sales receipt too), I consider all of that a big plus, (but it doesn't weigh as much as the actual condition of the gun, of course). But I'm kind of a packrat when it comes to that sort of stuff. ...So for all of my new gun purchases, I keep the box and contents, ones for handguns go in one of a few Sterilite plastic snap-lid storage tubs kept on a high shelf in the garage. If I sell a gun, any original box and papers (minus the sales receipt) go with it, because it just feels "right" to me to do so.

Les

content
November 20, 2010, 06:39 PM
Hello friends and neighbors // Yes, having the box is a great bonus.I even kept the box from my 2009, Marlin 795.

Having moved all my firearms twice now. I can tell you "keep the box".
I have enough firearms, purchased used without the box, to fill all of my gun cases +,so any new purchases I keep the box.



Would I pay extra for the box?

Shooters or collectors, I'd pay a little extra. Especially if I was ever going to move.:D
How much, depends on the value of the firearm and if the serial numbers match.
My S&W Model 28 has the serial# on the box as do the Dan Wesson Pistol Pack and a couple of unfired Winchesters. In fact I keep both the Winchesters, still in origional wax paper, ITB.

It seems to have worked fine for the last 40+ years. (I do oil the firearms periodically)
Not only do I keep the matching SN boxes, I treat them gently.

leadcounsel
November 20, 2010, 07:47 PM
Personally I'll feel better about the deal, the origin and history of the gun, and the seller if the original box and papers are included. Not a deal breaker and for a common gun I won't pay much more, maybe a couple bucks, but it makes the sale smoother.

Jaybird78
November 20, 2010, 08:42 PM
The last 4 out of 5 used guns that I bought did not have their boxes. I really didn't care because they were all shooters. Of course #5 was a Colt mustang and the box definitely was nice to get.

That being said, I keep the plastic cases that come with most new pistols. The cardboard longgun boxes get pitched after a year or so (After I get tired of looking at them or the wife complains about the clutter). :neener:

It can't hurt to hold on to them, but I don't pay extra for a box. A collector piece is a different story.

marv
November 20, 2010, 09:02 PM
The original box is pretty handy for shipping the gun.

orionengnr
November 20, 2010, 10:51 PM
IMHO, depends on the gun.

A used P3AT? It's worth ~$250 whether it has the box or not.

An S&W revolver, especially one 20 years or older?

Hell yes. In good/very good condition, box, papers and cleaning brush may add 20-25% to the selling price. On a $400 revolver, that becomes a $500 revolver. On a $600 revolver, that becomes $750.

For most handguns, the difference is negligible. On truly collectible guns, the difference is noteworthy.

bushmaster1313
November 20, 2010, 11:50 PM
Everything else being equal a buyer would clearly choose a gun with a box. That said, except for a high quality collectable gun like a Colt Python, I would not expect the original box to add much to the price.

hemiram
November 21, 2010, 12:44 AM
Personally, I wouldn't pay, and haven't paid 20-25% more for a gun with the original box. I would say about 10% on a $500 gun. I know people who toss any cardboard box almost immediately after buying a gun, and if I was anal about having the box, I would have lost out on a lot of great guns.

HadEmAll
November 21, 2010, 01:41 AM
Having the original box, along with manuals, locks, cleaning tools, etc. definitely makes a pistol more attractive to a potential buyer, especially if they intend to resell it.

The Lone Haranguer
November 21, 2010, 08:23 AM
It definitely enhances resale value, but it is difficult to quantify the extent or amount.

Zach S
November 21, 2010, 03:19 PM
Makes no difference to me. I couldn't care less about the box or or manual.

I still keep them though. I'll have to think of something when there isnt any more room under the bed...

John Wayne
November 21, 2010, 04:50 PM
Generally speaking, sellers who hang on to the box take better care of their guns. That may not make a difference as to value when it comes to buying a "shooter" grade gun though.

If I were buying a gun to shoot, having the box would not be a dealbreaker. I might be willing to pay a few dollars more for the same gun with a box though.

All of the above is assuming that the box in question is your average handgun box--a hard plastic foam lined box comparable to one you could buy for $10 at Wal Mart. Some guns come with cases that are much nicer and more valuable, and need to be considered on an individual basis. Examples include:

-wooden presentation cases
-glass-top display cases
-heavy duty cases (like the Pelican case that comes with the MSAR STG 556)
-nicer-than average cases (Springfield XDM series)


"...a Registered Magnum..." A 10/22 Magnum? Registered by/with whom? Only made from 1998 to 2006. Not a collector's piece now. May or may not be in the future.
"...does it devalue..." Nope. Not a bad idea to keep it all. However, it only matters to collectors and collector grade firearms. Winchester Commemoratives, for example, are only collectable if they're still sealed in the original box. Assuming you can find somebody who wants it.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about a S&W Registered Magnum, and not a 10/22. The S&W RMs are highly collectible.

jeepguy
November 21, 2010, 07:21 PM
i just bought a used m1a bush rifle with the box. i could care less weather or not it had the box with it. what mattered to me was that it had a trw bolt, a hra trigger, hra op rod, and a few other minor parts. im a shooter and for the most part only care about function and accuracy. i do try to save my boxes now though, becuse they seem to matter to others.

Just One Shot
November 22, 2010, 10:57 AM
Well, I brought it home without the box. He was not the original owner so he never had the box to begin with. It did have a couple of extras that came with it. I got an HK Tac light and a custom built muzzle brake thrown in on the deal.

I'm not crazy about the brake but I'm keeping it on the gun until I recieve the thread protector that I ordered on line. While I may never mount a suppressor on it, I want to keep the threads in good shape in case the next owner decides to do so.

Here are the pics:

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