Odd question concerning .22's.


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mcmurry
November 20, 2010, 03:33 PM
I have an odd question. Isn't a .22 pistol barrel internal diameter the same as a .22 rifle barrel internal diameter? The reason I'm asking is I was cleaning my .22 rifles and decided to clean my pistols also. However, neither the brass brush nor the doohickey(jag?) that you put a patch on, would fit down the pistols barrels. I admit that the cleaning rod is a universal brand but it's for
.22's. I have never seen a kit for .22 pistols only, but shouldn't a short section of the rod, and the brush/jag still fit down the barrel?

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rcmodel
November 20, 2010, 03:37 PM
Yes it should fit.

There is no difference in bore size except for normal manufacturing variances.

You sure you don't have a .17 Hummer revolver? :D
Or a 6mm jag?
Or two patches stuck together?

rc

Rail Driver
November 20, 2010, 03:37 PM
My .22 brush and jag fit both my .22 rifles and my pistols. You absolutely sure the pistol is a .22 and not a .17?

As a side not, I no longer use standard cleaning kits, I use a breech to muzzle kit with a bore guide. No need for jags, when I want to use a patch I drape it over the brush and pull it through after lubing or putting solvent on the patch.

Very quick and easy way to clean my guns.

walker944
November 20, 2010, 03:39 PM
If the same ammo fits down either barrel, then the cleaning rods will too!!

PT1911
November 20, 2010, 03:57 PM
my guess is you have gotten it good and leaded up... a similar thing happened with my p-22... ,took a good bit of work to get a bronze brush down the bore a few times, but ultimately, it just takes a bit more effort... one thing to keep in mind however... choose a direction and stay with it... chamber to muzzle is prefered but if you decide to go muzzle to chamber keep in that direction all the way through, otherwise you will get your brush hopelessly stuck.. I have discovered the hard way that if you get a bore brush half way through the bore and meet resistance, you should NOT attempt to back it back out...

I would personally stick with the bronze brush and may even add a bit of persuasion with a resin hammer.... If you are still unsuccessful then solvents will be the next step, but I cannot imagine that will be necessary. In my case with my P-22, the leading was so bad i could actually see it flaking off of the muzzle end of the bore (that was my first hint that something was wrong...) took half an hour of constant scrubbing with a bronze brush to remove all of it... I am pretty sure a .17 cal bore brush would have been a snug fit at that point.... not really sure how the hell the .22's were getting through.

rcmodel
November 20, 2010, 04:01 PM
I bet we have a winner!!

I had not considered severe bore leading, as I have never had a .22 handgun, or shot .22 ammo that leaded barrels.

It seems to be a more common problem anymore with cheap bulk-pack Wallyworld ammo!!

rc

mcmurry
November 20, 2010, 04:08 PM
yep both guns are .22- a S&W flyweight revolver and a brand new never been shot Ruger Mark III. It won't fit either one. The S&W has only had about one box of 50 through it. Anyway, thanks y'all.

rcmodel
November 20, 2010, 04:13 PM
It has to be the cleaning kit then.

I clean all my .22 pistols and rifles with the exact same jags, & tips, & brushes, & patches.
And I have been for 50+ years.

The only mystery though, is you say they fit your rifle but not your handguns??

I'd still double check and make absolutely sure you didn't just pick up the 6mm jag out of the "universal" kit.

rc

NavyLCDR
November 20, 2010, 06:02 PM
Two words:

Bore Snake.

crazybushman
November 20, 2010, 06:41 PM
why not just us a cord pull through a couple of times from chamber to muzzel and then apply some m7 pro

killchain
November 20, 2010, 07:49 PM
Two words:

Bore Snake.
+100 there.

And I believe (don't quote me) you can use the .223 Rem bore snake in a 22.

NavyLCDR
November 20, 2010, 08:14 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=260083

M-Cameron
November 20, 2010, 09:28 PM
And I believe (don't quote me) you can use the .223 Rem bore snake in a 22.

yes you can....

i just bought a new bore snake for my .22lr and on the package it said" for use with .22 cal, .223, 5.56 "

351 WINCHESTER
November 20, 2010, 10:37 PM
I have a cz452 that a standard .22 cleaning rod will not fit the bore. It must be an undersized bore because the rod's will fit other .22's with no problem.

Mal H
November 20, 2010, 10:59 PM
He's not asking for the best method to clean .22's. So even though a bore snake is a very good method, it doesn't solve the puzzle.

I'm leaning toward the rod itself being the problem.

mcmurray - you said the brass brush wouldn't fit in the pistol bore? That's almost impossible since the brass bristles will bend and allow a normal brush to go into an undersized bore, proably as small as .20" if you really push.

If you don't attach the brush to the rod, will it at least start down the bore?

Sport45
November 21, 2010, 12:28 AM
There is a slight diifference in bore size between 22 caliber centerfire and 22 caliber rimfire arms, but I haven't had it present a problem when cleaning.

hemiram
November 21, 2010, 12:55 AM
I've bought two supposedly .22 mops recently, and a couple of different .22 bronze brushes, and none of them fit. The brushes are super tight, and the mops don't even come close to fitting. I bought them because the .22 mops and brushes in the Winchester cleaning kit I bought didn't fit my S&W M&P 15-22P. It's brand new, and I had a friend try them on his 30 year old S&W revolver and they didn't fit either.

Weird.

Shadow 7D
November 21, 2010, 01:44 AM
Not weird, bad QC, if you have a Micrometer, measure them, I bet money they aren't .22

VPLthrneck
November 21, 2010, 02:00 AM
I've had issues with universal kits as the jags aren't always the proper sizes so I always end up buying the brush and jag for 22's seperately and also a different brand than the univeral kit is. This has solved the problem for me in the past, but usually they wouldn't fit any of my .22's so your rifle works, pistol doesn't is a mystery indeed.

jerkface11
November 21, 2010, 07:36 AM
Cleaning is generally accepted as the fastest way to wear out a .22lr.

NavyLCDR
November 21, 2010, 11:26 AM
Cleaning is generally accepted as the fastest way to wear out a .22lr.

ABSOLUTELY!

I have a MKIII pistol and a 10/22 tack driver. My 10/22 took 2nd place in a 100 yard benchrest competition against 10 other rifles. Mine was the only rimfire rifle in the competition!

I keep the receivers and chambers clean by swabbing out with q-tips and Hoppes after just about every shooting session. I don't touch the bores until I notice accuracy degrading and then it's a couple squirts of Hoppes Elite and a couple of passes through with the bore snake.

gdesloge
November 21, 2010, 05:22 PM
I have a cz452 that a standard .22 cleaning rod will not fit the bore. It must be an undersized bore because the rod's will fit other .22's with no problem.
I am new to CZs and just discovered this:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204749&highlight=cleaning+rod

Scroll down to the last post (a photo).

The issue is an "ejector plate", which protrudes into the receiver and helps strip the case from the ejector (I believe).

gd

CraigC
November 21, 2010, 06:22 PM
I never clean my .22LR bores, it is entirely unnecessary and oftentimes detrimental to accuracy.

semperfi63
November 21, 2010, 11:34 PM
+100 there.

And I believe (don't quote me) you can use the .223 Rem bore snake in a 22.
yup use the same boresnake for my 10 22 ruger that I use on my AR 15

hemiram
November 22, 2010, 07:35 PM
Actually, it's apparently bad quality control on the maker of the mops part. The guns are fine. I bought a couple of new mops from a friend who has a bunch and they have no issues.

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