Single action Cowboy Revolver


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trombosis
November 22, 2010, 01:51 PM
I'm jonesing for a Single-Action cowboy revolver. Any suggestions?

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Dnaltrop
November 22, 2010, 01:56 PM
My first Cowboy is the Schofield Top-break, (Taylor's model #0855) Great gun. the recent ones have worked out the bugs you may read about from the 90's. The design is inherently weaker than a solid frame, so you tend to stick to cowboy and low (non +P) power FMJ rounds if buying ammo. The Beretta Laramie is the same gun with a bit more polish.

The Standard seems to be the Ruger Blackhawks and Vaqueros, and most of them can take just about any modern load you like if you want to use it as a field gun as well.

rcmodel
November 22, 2010, 01:57 PM
Colt SAA for the real deal.
U. S. Firearms for the best built replica.
Ruger Vaquero for the best safety features and a lifetime of trouble-free use.
Any of the Italian import clones for the cheapest, and possibly the roughest action.

PS: The new Ruger Vaquaro is a smaller Colt size frame, and not as strong as the earlier Vaquaro built on the .44 Magnum frame.
It is not +p+ strong like the old ones.

rc

RidgwayCO
November 22, 2010, 02:02 PM
It's hard to beat a Ruger Vaquero for reliability versus cost. They're very strong guns. Colts are over-priced IMHO, the USFA guns are probably built better than the Colts (at a cost only slightly less), and the reliability of some of the Italian clones is suspect. YMMV (a lot).

Hondo 60
November 22, 2010, 04:07 PM
Depends on your hand size.

If you have larger hands a Ruger New Model Blackhawk is a great gun.
I know because I have one & love it.

For smaller hands the New Model Vaquero is quite a bit thinner & has a smaller frame than the Blackhawk.
If I had tested the 2 side by side I'd have bought a Vaquero.

Another difference in them is that the Blackhawk has adjustable sights.
The Vaquero has fixed ones.

Just my 2 cents worth

keyboard commando
November 22, 2010, 04:49 PM
I have a Baretta Stampede Bisley. I am very pleased with the fit and finish,smoothness of action,trigger pull,and accuracy. The more I shoot it,the more I like it.:scrutiny:
:fire:
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q274/pistola_photo/Beretta Stampede Bisley/Bisley005-1.jpg
:fire:

Red Cent
November 22, 2010, 04:57 PM
Just to have one? Cowboy competition? Hunting?

Red Cent
November 22, 2010, 05:02 PM
The 1st gen Blackhawk is Colt size. The 2nd gen Blackhawk is 10% larger than a Colt and the same size as the 1st gen Vaquero. The "New Model" or 3rd gen Blackhawk is back down to Colt size as is the 2nd gen Vaquero.

GerryM
November 22, 2010, 05:15 PM
My wife and I used Ruger Vaquero for years, only thing I did to them was the trigger kit ... never had any problems

CraigC
November 22, 2010, 06:26 PM
The 1st gen Blackhawk is Colt size. The 2nd gen Blackhawk is 10% larger than a Colt and the same size as the 1st gen Vaquero. The "New Model" or 3rd gen Blackhawk is back down to Colt size as is the 2nd gen Vaquero.
That's a confusing way to look at it and not quite correct. The Old Model Blackhawk .357 was built from 1955-1973 and was approximately the same size as the Colt SAA. The .44Mag, .41Mag, .45Colt and .30M1 Old Model Blackhawks were built on the large, .44Mag-sized frame. All New Model Blackhawks and Vaqueros including .32-20/.32H&R, .357Mag, .38-40/10mm, .41Mag, .44Mag and .45's have all been on the large .44Mag-sized frame.

The only exception came in 2005 with the 50th anniversary Blackhawk .357, as well as the New Vaquero, plus the new .44Spl's are all built on a new Colt-sized frame.

_N4Z_
November 22, 2010, 06:40 PM
I got a Cimarron Model-P in .357mag. Looks great, smooth action, shoots great.

Been shooting the P out of it for several months now. It's a keeper.

Jesse Heywood
November 22, 2010, 06:44 PM
YMMV is the truth. I picked up a Cabelas Millennium a few years back. Made by Uberti. I gave about $220 and it is a gun they will have to pry my fingers off when I die. A smooth trigger out of the box. No finish issues, but the grips could have been fit a bit more.

I would recommend you shoot some different ones before you buy.

Hondo 60
November 22, 2010, 06:51 PM
I would recommend you shoot some different ones before you buy.

While that's a good answer, it's not always practical.
Where I live there are no shooting ranges that have guns.
They're all members only or members & a friend type deal.
Either you bring your own or you don't shoot.

The nearest one might be 80 miles away.
I say "might" because I don't know of any & there may not be any.

And no gun store in my neck of the woods is gonna allow you to "try" before you buy.
I wish they did, like I said in Post #5 if I had tried a Blackhawk & a Vaquero at the same time, I would've gotten the Vaquero.

BCCL
November 22, 2010, 07:29 PM
Depends what your main use for it will be. "If" you may possibly do any hunting with it, get a Ruger (or some other brand) with adjustable sights.

CSA 357
November 22, 2010, 08:26 PM
i like the blackhawk mine is in 45 colt

Gary A
November 23, 2010, 12:33 AM
I'm thinking that in your situation your best bet is to get a .357/38 New Vaquero or a 357/38 Blackhawk, depending on how "cowboy" you want to go. The New Vaquero has fixed sights like a Colt Single Action Army in the movies. The Blackhawk has adjustable sights. Depending on what you shoot now, you could consider a Blackhawk convertible which in .357 could shoot 3 calibers, .38, .357, and 9mm with the auxiliary cylinder. If you shoot .45 acp, a Blackhawk convertible in 45 would allow that and also 45 Colt (expensive if you don't reload). I don't believe they have made any 357/9mm convertibles in the New Vaquero but they have made some in 45acp/Colt.

Simplest, get a .357/38 New Vaquero, stainless or blued as you prefer in either 4 5/8 inch or 5 1/2 inch barrel and shoot the snot out of it.

My main shooters are .45 convertible Blackhawks but I do have a couple of .357 New Vaqueros I like very much.

I have owned one Cimarron and seen others and they seem to be pretty good guns for the money and more traditional than the Vaqueros.

BCRider
November 23, 2010, 04:27 AM
It really comes down to "do I want the gun to match the ammo or have to buy ammo to match the gun?"

The true 1873 SAA guns all have fixed sights. This means that you're going to tune the sights one time to suit a particular load by fileing down the front blade. From that point on you'll have to reload or buy that particular load or the POI will not match the POA. Now there may be a few lighter and heavier bullets that when pushed by a particular powder load will match the original ammo but on the whole you're going to be very limited to the ammo you can use and still have the sights true to aim.

On the other hand the Ruger Blackhawks with their adjustable sights can be set to work with different ammo loads as you desire. So you're free to play with a wide variety of loads from soft popping plinkers to real hardy fireball rounds at the end of the day. It's just a few sighting in shots and some tweaks of the elevation screw to get it right. And with a chart of what you found worked before the gun can be set up with a couple of clicks worth of change to work with different ammo with consistency even during a single range outing.

So it comes down to there are a variety of SA guns but you need to decide if you want a faithful fixed sight version or an adjustable sight version based on how you like to shoot

ArchAngelCD
November 23, 2010, 04:51 AM
I have an original Bisley Vaquero in .45 Colt and 2 New Vaqueros in .357 Magnum and wouldn't be without any of them.

trombosis
November 23, 2010, 07:31 AM
It won't be used for hunting. Just something to have and shoot with from time to time. The Vaquero seems to be pretty popular (or rather, recommended), so I'll gave to do some rooting around at the local gun shops and laugh at the outrageous markups :laughs:

Cocked & Locked
November 23, 2010, 07:42 AM
I always circle back around to a .45 Ruger Blackhawk. Not really a cowboy gun with the adjustable sights I suppose but it works great for me.

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6263277/393403283.jpg

The Bushmaster
November 23, 2010, 09:53 AM
Colt Second Generation.

788Ham
November 23, 2010, 07:19 PM
Cocked & Locked,

What a nice lookin' Ruger, those grips "make" the revolver! Shoot pretty good?

Gary A
November 23, 2010, 07:34 PM
Cocked and Locked - I'm with you. It took me a while wandering about in the world of handguns, but I am in love with Blackhawks, especially 4 5/8 inch Blackhawks and especially .45 Blackhawks.

BCCL
November 23, 2010, 07:38 PM
.45 Blackhawks....what's not to like! :)
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m103/Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe/2010%20Deer%20Hunt/6-Ruger.jpg

squarles67
November 23, 2010, 08:10 PM
Ruger New Vaquero or Blackhawk. Go down to the gun shop and handle them to see which one you like better. The New Model Rugers have the transfer bar so you can safely carry six rounds. I have both:)

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp293/squarles67/IMG_4029.jpg

Cocked & Locked
November 24, 2010, 09:12 AM
Cocked & Locked,

What a nice lookin' Ruger, those grips "make" the revolver! Shoot pretty good?

Yes it shoots great but a little high. With 255 grain hardcast lead or 250 grain Hornady XTP's (both over a healthy dose of 2400) it shoots cloverleaf groups 2" high at 20 yards.

I have the rear sight adjusted as low as it will go. I guess I need a shorter rear blade or file the existing one down some.

I've had earlier three screw Blackhawks, Super Blackhawks and old model Vaquero's and several of the New Model Blackhawks with the transfer bar. The latter ones are my preference.

I recently sold this .45 Vaquero. Nice SA, but I like the short Blackhawks better.

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/19684301/392321263.jpg

Gary A
November 24, 2010, 09:55 AM
Cocked and Locked - I like the short barrels the best also and of my single-actions, all are 4 5/8 except for one 5 1/2. I am picking up an anomaly, though. I just bought a 7.5 inch Blackhawk 45 convertible. I hope I like it and think I will in its place but I suspect it might be a bit of an unwieldy beast. It's a rare enough version I just had to get it though.

snooperman
November 24, 2010, 01:34 PM
For hunting I use the Ruger Blackhawk 357 magnum and the Ruger super Blackhawk 44 magnum. For just plain fun shooting I like my Colt SAA the best. Recently I bought a US Firearms for my grandson and it is well made and accurate.

76shuvlinoff
November 24, 2010, 06:44 PM
I have the Ruger 4 5/8 convertible in 357/38/9mm. I do not do competitions (except against myself) and I have not hunted with it but what a fun gun!

Paired up with my .357 1894c it's a great afternoon of plinkin' and plenty adequate to hold it's own in the line-up for HD.

BullRunBear
November 24, 2010, 07:36 PM
Gary A,

Like you I prefer the shorter barrel Blackhawks and new model Vaqueros, they sit so comfortably in the hand. But I've had a 7.5" Blackhawk convertable in 45 Colt for over twenty years and it is great. Not as unwieldy as you might think and capable of terrific accuracy. I have used it on steel targets at 100 yards. The gun is quite capable of hitting them even when I'm not (which is often enough). Also, the 45 Colt cartridge is great for reloading.

Jeff

Styer1886
November 24, 2010, 07:46 PM
I have had a few different revolvers, the one i have come to love is my BlackHawk .30 carbine. I liked the .357's, 38-40, 44, and 45. but it is something about that 30 that just is fun to shoot (unless some one moves in with a M1 carbine that is full auto, and you can't find any shells in the town you at)

Seth

go armed go well armed

Dudemeister
November 24, 2010, 09:04 PM
I'm surprised no one mentioned any of the Italian made replicas just yet. Here are mine, from left to right: Pietta 1851 Navy Percussion .44, Armi San Marco (EMF New Dakota) .45, Ruger Vaquero .45 and Uberti 1873 Cattleman .357

http://digistealth.com/Public/Guns/SAA/Image%203sm.jpg

Granted the 1851 is not a really a SAA, but it's the precursor to the 1873 models, and very popular in Cowboy Action Events.

garyhan
November 24, 2010, 09:24 PM
When I had a similar jones, I went to the LGS specifically to buy a Ruger Vaquero. Looked over what they had, and came home with a Uberti Cattleman. Have never regretted it.

gary

Fiv3r
November 24, 2010, 10:32 PM
I just picked up a used but well cared for Blackhawk in .357. It's got a 6 (or is it 6.5"?) inch barrel, stainless steel, rosewood grips, and is just a beautiful chunk of steel.

I also shoot an 1858 Remington cap and ball (for cheap) and one of those cheapy .22 Plinkertons that have the look and heft of the SAA.

I felt I "needed" a practical SA revolver:cool:

Gary A
November 24, 2010, 11:58 PM
BullRunBear - thanks for that feedback on the 7.5 inch Blackhawk. I must admit I am quite anxious to pick it up and hope it will be in on Friday. I'm really looking forward to shooting it.

goodtime
November 25, 2010, 12:34 AM
"I'm jonesing for a Single-Action cowboy revolver. Any suggestions?"


Yes -- Buy one.

I have a bunch of Blackhawks, and they're hard to beat. Say no more about Ruger Blackhawks, they have plenty of witnesses.

I have a bunch of Ubertis, also. They're a different animal, but I will testify that all 4 of my Uberti Cattlemen, my one Beretta Stampede, and my one Cimarron Model P are all very good rovolvers with great fit, finish, function, and feel. They do improve immensely from the $8.00 wire-type trigger/bolt spring and the $12 reduced power main spring. Uberti quality and function is not the least bit suspect imho.

bannockburn
November 25, 2010, 11:35 AM
While I enjoy my Ruger Blackhawks immensely, I prefer the Uberti SAA's to the Ruger Vaquero. My Beretta Stampede has great mechanicals and a very nice overall fit and finish to it. Eventually I would like to get a nice set of grips for it; possibly birdseye maple or american holly if I can find them.
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z334/TailoAltera/gunpix1094.jpg

snooperman
November 25, 2010, 01:49 PM
and both are excellent guns for the money, and the fit and finish is better than my Rugers. The pietta has the best action and trigger of the import guns I have.

Leaky Waders
November 25, 2010, 03:34 PM
I have an older stainless 4 5/8 vaquero with a free spin pawl kit, trigger spring kit, and hammer kit so it clicks 3 times.

I also have a colt saa that was prettied up by nutmeg.

Both are 45 long colt. I like them both. But, the Colt SAA seems less clunky. The new smaller framed vaqueros and clones should feel the same as a colt. But they will lack a pony, so it depends on how important that aspect is to you.

A Colt and true clone will have 4 hammer clicks and no transfer bar limiting you to five rounds.

Red Cent
November 25, 2010, 07:06 PM
I did not delve into the Super and all the mutations of the original Blackhawk. People are confused enough with the models. They still call the orignal Vaquero sized Blackhawk as the "New Model Blackhawk" and have attached the same title to the 2004 introduced NM Blackhawk. While not complete, which was intentional, I believe my statements about the Blackhawks described are factual.

From their introduction in 1953 to the intoduction of the Vaquero in 1972 and culminating in the 2004 Blackhawk, the best single action pistol in the world remains to be referred to as simply as the Blackhawk.

I have always found that owners of the Supers, Bisleys and Old Armies specify their particular model.

CraigC
November 26, 2010, 02:06 AM
I did not delve into the Super and all the mutations of the original Blackhawk. People are confused enough with the models. They still call the orignal Vaquero sized Blackhawk as the "New Model Blackhawk" and have attached the same title to the 2004 introduced NM Blackhawk. While not complete, which was intentional, I believe my statements about the Blackhawks described are factual.
Sorry but your statements are incorrect. All post 1973 Blackhawks are New Models and the vast majority of them are built on the large frame. The only exception is the 50th .357 and the new .44Spl's. These were new additions to the lineup, not a redesign of the whole product line. All other Blackhawks are built on the same large frame as the Super Blackhawk. Period. I don't know why you keep saying 2004, for the 50th .357 came out in 2005 and was the first mid-frame New Model.

As far as Vaqueros, there is the original large frame version, built from 1992-2005 and the New Vaquero, a mid-frame Colt-sized version built from 2005-present.

Hammerdown77
November 26, 2010, 07:54 AM
My real 4-click cowboy gun is a Cimarron Model P in .45 Colt. Great shooter, but had to go back to the factory to have the barrel turned, as the front sight was canted right making the gun shoot many inches left. I have several Ruger Blackhawks, and love them, but nothing handles and points like the original SAA.

Still, I'd like to get a Vaquero.

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq296/Hammerdown77/3ac43248.jpg

_N4Z_
November 26, 2010, 11:17 AM
I'm surprised no one mentioned any of the Italian made replicas just yet.

Mentioned my Model P on the first page of this thread, hello.


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/_n4z_/DSC03155.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/_n4z_/DSC03152.jpg

jr4521
November 26, 2010, 01:54 PM
I own a Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 mag, 4 5/8 , I love it.

Red Cent
November 26, 2010, 05:07 PM
"The typical 3-screw Blackhawk (so called because of the three screws in the side of the frame) was a blued steel revolver built on a flat top frame roughly the same size as a Colt SAA.
Colt size
1953"Rugers first frame was the XR3. It was introduced on the Single-Six, same size as Colt SAA, marked XR3.
10% bigger than Colt. You cannot get a 1st gen Vaquero into a tight holster for a Colt SAA.
1972 "Redesign of the Old Model 1962/63 XR3-RED for the New Model to accommodate new trigger spring and safety transfer bar".
Colt size
2004 "The NEW XR3 style grip frame is very similar to the original Ruger Single Action, Colt SAA style, introduced in 1953".

Red Cent
November 26, 2010, 05:33 PM
"The Ruger Vaquero is a 6 shot single-action revolver manufactured by Sturm, Ruger based on the .357 Magnum New Model Ruger Blackhawk frame that was introduced in 1973".

"Two major variants of Vaqueros exist. The original Vaquero was marketed from 1993 until 2005, and was slightly larger than the Colt Single Action Army".

"The original Vaquero was built to safely fire higher pressure 45 Colt ammunition than the Black powder chamberings, having significantly thicker cylinder walls than other revolvers."


"In 2005, Ruger introduced the "New Vaquero" which incorporated a smaller frame, based on Ruger's XR-3 grip frame, making the pistol closer to the size of the Colt Single Action Army revolver of 1873. The New Vaquero will accept two-piece stocks made for the Colt Single Action Army."

"With the arrival of the New Model in 1973 the .357 Magnum Blackhawk joined the rest of the centerfire Rugers on the .44 Magnum-sized frame. The balance mentioned by Keith was gone."

".......the Anniversary Model has a true Flat-Top frame the same size as the original with no protective ears around the rear sight as well as the original grip frame size...........

stanmo
November 26, 2010, 11:11 PM
I like my US Firearms Sheriff Model in 45 Colt, 4 inch barrel. Has all the clicks and a sweet trigger. No I don't miss the ejector.

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww215/MotownStan/USFALeft.jpg

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww215/MotownStan/USFABarrel.jpg

CraigC
November 27, 2010, 12:30 AM
Red Cent, I do not wish to get into a lengthy peeing contest over this and I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with your last two posts. Your initial post is still incorrect and I stand by my previous responses.

Your introduction of "generation" nomenclature is not common or accepted practice and only makes it more confusing for the uninitiated.

Cocked & Locked
November 27, 2010, 07:47 AM
As a a replay of post #26 (mine) I prefer the Blackhawk because of the "Ruger Only Loads" I can hand load for it.

I've had the Italian guns as well and they are nice and lovely to look at. My favorite was a Beretta Stampede Marshal .45 with the birds head grip and 3.5" barrel. It scored high in fit and finish.

The Blackhawk can perform out the muzzle in a way the others can't...just my preference. It all depends on what one wants to do with the gun I suppose.

Red Label
November 27, 2010, 09:51 AM
How about a Ruger Single Six for just having fun? Cheap to shoot.

Jonah71
November 27, 2010, 09:56 AM
I really do like my Ruger BH Convertable 45acp/LC. If you can find one, I also like the old 70's BH .357's. I shoot my '72 a lot.

Red Cent
November 27, 2010, 02:50 PM
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/redcent69/03andRugeroldmodel45005.jpg

Red Cent
November 27, 2010, 03:08 PM
Love my Rugers, including the Mini-14.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/redcent69/rugers003-2.jpg

vanguard7
November 27, 2010, 03:18 PM
man red you are blessed, i wish i had just one of thoses.

Average Joe
November 27, 2010, 03:25 PM
The Rugers get my vote.

rozziboy18
November 27, 2010, 06:21 PM
red cent
im totaly loving the bi-toned rugers man! did you do that yourself

Erik M
November 27, 2010, 06:38 PM
It's hard to beat a Ruger Vaquero for reliability versus cost. They're very strong guns. I cast my lot in with the Ruger crowd as well. For the price point I dont think the quality could be beat. I also have a Uberti 1851 Navy that a hoot. :)

thunder173
November 27, 2010, 06:57 PM
+1 for the Ruger's here too.

I have 4 single action revolvers,..all are Ruger's; A blued New Model Super Blackhawk .44 magnum in 4 5/8 inch,..(which is my favorite woods bumming handgun),..a 1973 vintage blued 3 Screw .357/.38Spec/9mm Blackhawk Convertable with a 6 1/2" barrel,..a "Baby Vaquero" Single Six in .32 H&R magnum,..and a 5 1/2 inch blued Single Six Convertable in .22LR/.22WMR....

I think that has about scratched all my itches for SA Revolvers,..and pretty much fills that need.

mini-14
November 27, 2010, 08:56 PM
Another vote for the Blackhawk.
Step 1 Buy used Blackhawk.
Step 2 Disassemble, clean, install wolff 3 piece spring kit (15.00)
Step 3 Shoot the snot out of it!;)

bannockburn
November 28, 2010, 07:37 AM
Red Cent

Very nice collection of Rugers you've got there. I especially like your dual tone models. I've been thinking about doing that with the grip frame of my Single-Six some day, if the black anodizing ever completely wears off.

Red Cent
November 28, 2010, 09:42 AM
Since that picture an additional 3 screw 4 5/8" 357 has been added to the family.
You will see the two tones at cowboy matches. I have the sand blaster, bead blaster, buffing machines, etc. Since that picture I have polished the ejector housing and grip fames on those two. The bead blasting is nice but gets marked up by the use in cowboy. The two tones have been fired thousands of times since about 2002 and the only thing I have replaced is one trigger return spring. They were built by Cody Conagher with hammer stops in addition to an awesome action job.
Thanks for the compliments.

TAG2501
November 28, 2010, 09:06 PM
in 45 colt, I'd recommend the Cimarron pistols. the actions are smooth and the finish is pretty nice. However, check out the pricing on CDNN for some of the Beretta (they now own Uberti) stampede revolvers. You can some times find a great deal there. If you want to shoot loads heavier than the standard cowboy loads, stick with the Blackhawk. the colts are nice, but the quality (I own two) is a bit spotty. For slightly less $ the USFA single actions are excellent. USFA also sells a couple of models of the Rodeo, which is the same mechanicals but less well finished (no color case hardening) than the Single Action.

In short (IMHO) the best performance option is the Rodeo, but the finish and feel of the Cimarron's make them more desirable for a bit less money.
One option to consider is Long Hunter (www.longhunt.com) - he'll sell the above pistols for not much more than t normal retail with some tuning laid on - that makes a very nice shooting pistol.

CajunBass
November 29, 2010, 09:10 AM
How about a Ruger Single Six for just having fun? Cheap to shoot.

That would be my choice. A Ruger or some other S/A 22. At least for a start.

1958 Ruger Old Models. One converted to transfer bar (the rear one), the other unconverted.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0078.jpg

2003 Ruger 50th anniversary Single-Six. 2008 Bearcat.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/Rugers2.jpg

1967 Colt Frontier Scout

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0069.jpg

1858
November 29, 2010, 11:02 PM
the USFA guns are probably built better than the Colts (at a cost only slightly less)

If you can get past the utilitarian finish of the Rodeos they're a good buy, particularly if you buy from Jim at www.longhunt.com. He includes quite a few desirable upgrades in the price and consecutive numbers are free and you'll pay quite a bit more for a new Colt SAA ... maybe twice as much. They Rodeos are superbly accurate, the triggers are excellent and the fit and finish is truly something to behold. The only downside is the finish but it's not THAT bad.

http://128.171.62.162/hawthorn-engineering/thr/revolvers/usfa/photos/rodeos.jpg

Pilot
November 30, 2010, 08:50 AM
^^^^^^^^^


I love my Rodeo and sent it to Longhunter for a tune up and spring change when my hand spring broke. He did a nice job and it now has the coil spring so I don't have to worry about it any longer. I like the four clicks and don't mind carrying with an empty chamber. If five .45's can't protect me, I'm in trouble.

I still want a Colt SAA though, and will probably get one at some point.

Zsnark
January 31, 2011, 07:37 PM
Hi there Single Action Gunners,

I have an Italian clone of the 1873 Bisley. I love the thing, but it hates me. It's .357 and when I shoot it with my usual revolver grasp, it smacks me in my knuckle (the trigger guard, that is). I've gotten into asking the Cowboy and Percussion guys about this situation and the suggested the "pinky wrap"; little finger under the grips. Well, that does work as far as saving my abused middle finger knuckle but the feeling is "dainty", feels like i don't really have control of my piece. I should mention that I have extra large hands with long slim fingers.

Any of you guys had a similar situation and/or a remedy? I really don't want to put any big-assed rubber grips on it which will mess with the Old West mystique...I mean it looks like 1895 or so and I like it that way.

Also, it's a EMF Jager 4 3/4 and I need to find out what Colt it is based upon. Apparently there are several generations of SAs. Where can I find out which version is mine was cloned from. I've had it since the mid 80s; and I'd be quite surprised if Colt's quality was any better.

How about it Gunners?!

Al W

sixgunner455
February 1, 2011, 03:40 AM
People have been putting their pinkie under the grip of single-action sixguns to manage recoil for a long, long, long time.

Don't worry about it. :D

CraigC
February 1, 2011, 10:25 AM
Pinky under works for the short SAA and `51 Navy (same grip frame) but not for the long 1860, Dragoon, Walker and Bisley grip frames. It will place your hand too low on the grip frame. I have large hands (size 9 glove) and the Colt Bisley design is very comfortable for me to shoot but recoil is very subjective. If the Bisley raps your knuckle, then it is probably not for you. You 'may' benefit from slightly thicker grips but it will be a $200 experiment.

Old Fuff
February 1, 2011, 10:36 AM
You 'may' benefit from slightly thicker grips but it will be a $200 experiment.

:what: :what: :what: :what:

If I was going forward simply as an experiment I'd take a piece of scrap wall panel, trace each grip on it, cut them out, and place each one under the reassembled Ruger stocks.

My Ol' Daddy always told me that brains beats money every time... ;)

CraigC
February 1, 2011, 11:53 AM
It ain't a Ruger, if it was, you could spend $30 on a set of Hogue Cowboy grips to see if thicker is better for your paws. Which would also address another issue with Ruger grips, besides the thickness, and that is the atrocious shape. The squared off corner behind the triggerguard, the funky flare at the bottom and the thin section at the web of your hand. I think an expert in medieval torture devices designed them.

Finding what works for you is not cheap or easy but once you do, shooting bliss is the result. I know, because it took a set of custom $200 "thin" grips to learn that lesson. ;)

Old Fuff
February 1, 2011, 12:44 PM
It ain't a Ruger,

Whatever - it still uses 2-piece, slab panel stocks. Experimenting shouldn't cost 200 bucks. The solution that was discovered might, but the Old Fuff learned along time ago how to make his own handgun stocks. :cool:

BCRider
February 1, 2011, 01:22 PM
Zsnark, I hear you about the differences in holding SA guns compared to the firm and total hold grip used on DA revolvers and semi autos where the idea is to get a grip that doesn't shift with multiple shots. But SA revolvers are just not shot the same sort of way. I'm still working on the proper SA grip but so far I'm finding that the big part of the grip occurs in a "ring" formed by the thumb and middle finger that the gun is free to slip through a bit when fired. And as mentioned the pinky lives under the butt so it can both push the gun back into place and to act as a feeler gauge for the proper positioning. All this being one handed. And one handed seems to be the proper way to shoot an SA gun if you're doing it for fun and to relive the old west days. If hunting then it would be a different story and I'd probably go for longer extended rubber Hogue grips to aid in steadying the gun and using a two handed hold to support the typically longer barrels with scopes on them.

cane
February 1, 2011, 05:04 PM
Are you sure it's a "Bisley"? 1873s were Single Action Armys.

snakeman
February 1, 2011, 05:51 PM
ruger vaquero or blackhawk, also uberti makes an excellent small frame 38 that is light and points naturally its also nicely finished.

aryfrosty
February 1, 2011, 09:15 PM
My play/serious revolvers are a brace of Rugers: A stainless Bisley Vaquero
.45C with Grashorn stags and a stainless Birdshead Vaquero.45C with Grashorn stags.
My new toy is an Uberti Schofield Model 2 No.3 replica in .45C. It's much better made than the originals.
If wishes were horses and I suddenly awoke to find myself in cowboy times I would want to have the Rugers and my Uberti "Lightning" replica short rifle in .45C.

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