Shorten Barrel of Model 28 S&W - Revolver Smith suggestions?


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FirearmsInPhoenix
November 23, 2010, 09:02 PM
So, I recently purchased a model 28 S&W with a 4inch barrel. I'm going to have it refinished, as stated in a previous thread in which I had some questions that were seen to.

However, I'm considering also having the barrel shortened. I figure if this is an alteration I want to have done some day, best to get it done now.

I have no practical reason for doing it, other than I have a great affinity for 3-3.5 inch classic N Frames. I just like them very much.

So, I'm looking for recommendations for S&W revolver smiths. So far, I'm considering:
- Accurate Plating and Weaponry ( http://www.apwcogan.com/ )
- Cylinder and Slide ( http://www.cylinder-slide.com/ )
- Fletcher Custom Pistols ( http://www.fletchercustompistols.com/ )

Any other suggestions?

Or any comments on the above (specifically Accurate and Fletcher)? I'm leaning away from C&S because they're quoting almost 100 more than the other two and a minimum 10 month wait, though I understand their work is top notch and worth it.

I'd have the revolver sent to the Smith first to have the barrel shortened and recessed and recrowned, then off to the refinisher.

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steveno
November 24, 2010, 03:25 AM
considering the money M-28's are bringing these days I wouldn't do anything to it. sell the M-28 and find something that is closer to what you want

MrBorland
November 24, 2010, 07:12 AM
I actually have a revolver currently being worked in by Fletcher. I'll let you know how I like it when I get it back, which I expect will be within the next couple weeks.

Check out Frank Glenn (http://www.glenncustom.com/). Right in Phoenix, too.

SDM (http://www.sdmfabricating.com/) can also cut the barrel and install an interchangeable front sight system.

If it were me, as long as the gun's going to a good 'smith, I'd consider having at least an action job on it. I'd also have other functional elements (timing, forcing cone, endshake, throats, etc) checked and fixed if needed. Otherwise, you could spend the money to shorten the barrel & re-crown the muzzle, but still have a gun that's not up to it's potential.

BTW, how "original" do you want your 28 to look? If you're interested in having it look original, you'll need the services of someone who specializes in meticulous restoration work. For this level of detail, I'd contact Dave Chicoine at Old West (http://www.oldwestgunsmith.com/), who's well-known in the S&W community for his restoration work.

StrawHat
November 24, 2010, 07:28 AM
considering the money M-28's are bringing these days I wouldn't do anything to it. sell the M-28 and find something that is closer to what you want

The only thing close to a 3.5" 357 from S&W is the M27 and he will not get the $$$ from the m28 to buy one.

FirearmsInPhoenix

...So, I recently purchased a model 28 S&W with a 4inch barrel...However, I'm considering also having the barrel shortened...I have no practical reason for doing it, other than I have a great affinity for 3-3.5 inch classic N Frames...

The 3.5" is a nice length but so is the 4". For the 1/2" difference I don't think I would go to the expense. However, I have no problem if it were a 6" barrel. If it were mine, I would use it as a 4" and keep looking for a 3.5" M27.

Or convert it to 45 long Colt!

Wildbillz
November 24, 2010, 07:30 AM
Or you could call Smith & Wesson and ask them what it would take to swap barrels out on it?

If you decide to do it? I would look for one of the less desriable bbl lenths to have it done to. The 4" ones seem to be more in demand then say a 6". You might be able to sell your 4" for the cost of a 6" and the conversion.

But thats just my .02 on it
WildBill

Jim Watson
November 24, 2010, 08:11 AM
It will cost on the order of $200 to have a nice job done.
Seems like a lot for half an inch of eye candy.
If you just must, the resale value of a good M28 plus that $200 would get you pretty close to a 3 1/2" M27.

Iggy
November 24, 2010, 09:08 AM
I picked up this 64 vintage 31/2" Model 27, fired 3 times at the factory for $725 a couple of weeks ago.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/PB060003.jpg

You take a $500 dollar Model 28, spend $200+ cutting the barrel off and you will wind up with a +/-$400 gun.

The guns of our dreams are still out there, you just have to be patient and look.

MrBorland
November 24, 2010, 10:43 AM
Folks - as far as I can tell, the OP's not asking whether you think he (she?) ought to have the barrel shortened. It's going to be refinished, and for all we know, it might be a beater with very little value to begin with. So how 'bout helping the OP by offering info you might have on good S&W gunsmiths, eh?

Billy Shears
November 24, 2010, 10:57 AM
Well, simply from a cost effectiveness perspective, given what it will cost to do the work, if the M28 is in very good shape and will fetch a good price, selling the gun and buying a M27 with the 3 1/2 bbl might be better.

On the other hand, if the M28 is a beater with little value anyway, shortening the barrel might be the way to get what the OP wants. Swapping out the current barrel for a 3 1/2 one would probably be the most effective way of shortening it, and I should think most any gunsmith could handle such a job.

Apex29
November 24, 2010, 11:37 AM
The only thing close to a 3.5" 357 from S&W is the M27 and he will not get the $$$ from the m28 to buy one.



Wrong. By the time you add in the cost of shipping both ways and the actual cost of shortening the barrel, recrowning the gun, remounting the sight, etc, you've just paid for a 27 w/3 1/2 inch barrel. But even after that work, you've still just got a 28.

9mmepiphany
November 24, 2010, 12:55 PM
Being in Phoenix, the obvious choice would be Frank Glenn. Frank used to be in charge of the S&W Performance Centers revolver shop and would be a great resource on what and where to have things done to your gun.

I would also recommend a full action tune if you are going to get more than just a refinish on your M28.

I personally like Randy Lee of Apex Tactical in Los Oso CA (near Moro Bay), but why would you send your gun away when you have one of the best S&W revolver smths locally

1KPerDay
November 24, 2010, 01:59 PM
I picked up this 64 vintage 31/2" Model 27, fired 3 times at the factory for $725 a couple of weeks ago.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/PB060003.jpg

You take a $500 dollar Model 28, spend $200+ cutting the barrel off and you will wind up with a +/-$400 gun.

The guns of our dreams are still out there, you just have to be patient and look.
Absolutely gorgeous. :cool: *droool*

CraigC
November 24, 2010, 02:04 PM
I find myself under no moral obligation to save my guns for future collectors and I have no interest in what collectors think my guns are worth now. Life is too short and nothing is sacred. If there is a particular configuration that is unavailable from the factory, you have to take matters into your own hands. It's your gun and your money, go for it. It just gets me how so many folks are so ardently against building custom guns. Thankfully, there are plenty who have no reservations about having such work done and thus, we have more wonderfully talented gunsmiths in this country than ever before.

And if folks had been paying attention, they'd know that this particular gun had already been refinished and the action slicked up. You also need to realize that he's wanting it hard chromed, so it would be silly to sell it, buy a nice model 27, just to save a 4" refinished model 28 from getting bobbed.

That said, I'd have a hard time spending the money for half an inch, but I have spent the money for one inch on a single action. So that's purely an individual choice. It should turn out fine with something like the Weigand interchangeable front sight installed into a pocket milled into the sight rib.

Sniper X
November 24, 2010, 02:59 PM
I got a lot of the same comments when I asked basically the same question about getting a 3in barrel put on my Smith & Wesson Model 10-8. Now the 10-8 is not a collector piece, nor is it hard to find in great condition for a great price, however, finding one in 3in is nearly impossible! So I still want to swap a 3in barrel for my 4in....an inch makes a huge difference in appearence and carry-ability for me!

Oyeboten
November 24, 2010, 03:36 PM
Iggy,


How are you measuring the Barrel on that 2 Inch?


Looks like 3 inch or a tad more even, to me.

9mmepiphany
November 24, 2010, 04:01 PM
I think you're mis-reading his post. He posted 31/2", but lost the space between the 3 and the 1/2...he meant 3.5"

The original .357 Magnum came in factory barrel lengths of 3.5", 5", 6.5", and 8.375". They refused to cut to lengths between this because they said that their machinery only allowed 1.5" adjustments in cuts.

The M28 Highhway Patrolman came in barrel lengths of 4" and 6"...go figure

EmGeeGeorge
November 24, 2010, 04:05 PM
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=10105

buy another one, mod the replacment.... keep the original?

FirearmsInPhoenix
November 24, 2010, 11:25 PM
Check out Frank Glenn. Right in Phoenix, too. Ė MrBorland

Being in Phoenix, the obvious choice would be Frank Glenn. Frank used to be in charge of the S&W Performance Centers revolver shop and would be a great resource on what and where to have things done to your gun. - 9mmepiphany


Very interesting comments from all contributors. Thanks for the interest.

To MrBorland and 9mmepiphany, exactly one of the answers I was hoping for. I was sure their must be a good S&W smith in Phoenix, but I just didn't know. I will be contacting Mr. Glenn. Thank you very much. very helpful to me.

whitecoyote
November 24, 2010, 11:54 PM
I can highly & personally recommend Mag-Na-Port.
http://www.magnaport.com/
Here is a S&W model 28, .357 mag. they built for me. Barrel is 2.5", grip is converted to a round butt, etc. Grips are Elk horn, and rear sight is a C&L Extreme Duty.
You can read about it here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1961-1980/91912-project-s-wm28hp-updated-09-11-09-w-pics-pg-6-a.html
http://i54.tinypic.com/15d6v7k.jpg
Here is another S&W model 28 I had converted by Mag-Na-Port. It is very similar to the .357, but I had this one bored out to .44 Special. :)
You can read about the .44 Special here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1961-1980/141829-project-s-wm28hp-44special.html

http://i53.tinypic.com/o5w114.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/2ds8pl.jpg

Jim Watson
November 25, 2010, 11:17 AM
The original .357 Magnum came in factory barrel lengths of 3.5", 5", 6.5", and 8.375".

Strange.
I always thought the original .357 "Registered" Magnum was anything you wanted between 3.5" (right in front of the underlug) and 8.75" (10" NRA maximum sight radius). Soon reduced to 8.375" for 10" NRA maximum barrel + cylinder length.


I hope the OP gets what he wants; I had a couple of guns sawn off at 5" when that was accepted by IDPA and had to have them cut again when the maximum was reduced to 4". But it seems not cost effective to me.

1KPerDay
November 25, 2010, 11:45 AM
whitecoyote... very jealous.... drooooool :cool:

CraigC
November 25, 2010, 12:15 PM
I always thought the original .357 "Registered" Magnum was anything you wanted between 3.5" (right in front of the underlug) and 8.75" (10" NRA maximum sight radius).
It was, in 1/8" increments, if I remember right.

9mmepiphany
November 25, 2010, 01:06 PM
I always thought the original .357 "Registered" Magnum was anything you wanted between 3.5" (right in front of the underlug) and 8.75" (10" NRA maximum sight radius). Soon reduced to 8.375" for 10" NRA maximum barrel + cylinder length.

You're correct, my mistake...I was thinking of the M-27

I remember reading about the change in max length from 8.75" to 8.375" when I questioned the odd length

FirearmsInPhoenix
November 26, 2010, 06:06 PM
VERY Nice. That's actually very close to what I want. Except I'm looking for about a 3.25 inch barrel with a little more recess on the crown. I also want the original front sight setup used, just re-applied to the shortened barrel (like yours). I think I'll be going with the C&S rear sight set up as well. I was already considering it. I'll be sending mine of to get the Metalife SS Chromium finish done. And I think I'm going to add a red insert.

Magnaport did excellent work.

I can highly & personally recommend Mag-Na-Port.
http://www.magnaport.com/
Here is a S&W model 28, .357 mag. they built for me. Barrel is 2.5", grip is converted to a round butt, etc. Grips are Elk horn, and rear sight is a C&L Extreme Duty.
You can read about it here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-rev...cs-pg-6-a.html
http://i54.tinypic.com/15d6v7k.jpg

9mmepiphany
November 26, 2010, 06:16 PM
Just another option if you wanted to stay with the adjustable sights...rugged and fast to align, from Apex

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1139.snc4/148099_10150326509555117_465376485116_15711594_6776832_n.jpg

SaxonPig
November 26, 2010, 06:42 PM
If you want a 3.5" 27 then you should buy one. You will spend a lot of money to wind up with a less than fully satisfying gun trying to make a 28 into what you want.

Really, the 1/2" all that important? I have N frame 357s in both 3.5" and 4" and you never notice the difference unless you turn the gun sideways and look at it.

This made my FAQs.
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\Modifying a gun into a different configuration.

33. Trying to turn the gun you have into the gun you want is never a good idea. It will be cheaper, faster and easier to sell the gun you donít want and buy the one you do want rather than try to alter or convert your gun into a different configuration. In most cases the alterations suggested are not possible due to physical limitations and if they were doable the cost of such work would be beyond all but wealthy fools who like to throw their money away.

CraigC
November 27, 2010, 12:36 AM
If you want a 3.5" 27 then you should buy one. You will spend a lot of money to wind up with a less than fully satisfying gun trying to make a 28 into what you want.
It would help if folks actually read the thread(s). His model 28 has already had an action job performed and been refinished. He wants his finished product to be HARD CHROMED. So yeah, it makes a hell of a lot more sense to chop a half inch off his existing model 28 and have it plated than to sell it for peanuts, buy a high dollar model 27 just to have an action job performed on it and plated. Get a grip folks, it's a refinished Highway Patrolman, not a minty Triple Lock!


Trying to turn the gun you have into the gun you want is never a good idea. It will be cheaper, faster and easier to sell the gun you don’t want and buy the one you do want rather than try to alter or convert your gun into a different configuration. In most cases the alterations suggested are not possible due to physical limitations and if they were doable the cost of such work would be beyond all but wealthy fools who like to throw their money away.
That depends entirely on the individual circumstances. In some cases, it is indeed desireable to modify an existing gun that to liquidate and replace it. In this case, it would be stupid to sell the 28 in favor of a much more costly 27 that doesn't fit the need anyway. Read folks!

Oyeboten
November 27, 2010, 01:16 AM
Here's one I did, it was fun, educational, and satisfying to do even though much of it was new to me...been carrying it pretty well every day since -

There are Captions if you click on the first image to enlarge, then easy to just click on 'next'.

http://public.fotki.com/PhilBphil/s--w-model-10-proje/

whitecoyote
November 27, 2010, 01:33 AM
Here's one I did, it was fun, educational, and satisfying to do even though much of it was new to me...been carrying it pretty well every day since -

There are Captions if you click on the first image to enlarge, then easy to just click on 'next'.

http://public.fotki.com/PhilBphil/s--w-model-10-proje/ (http://public.fotki.com/PhilBphil/s--w-model-10-proje/)

SWEET!
You did an excellent job.
http://i56.tinypic.com/2po2yqs.jpg

bdb benzino
November 27, 2010, 03:27 AM
That is the nicest model 10 I have ever seen!:cool:

Checkman
November 28, 2010, 01:38 PM
So how much are Model 28's bringing nowdays? I'm talking stores not Internet auctions. I haven't seen one for sale in a few years though I know that can often be a matter of timing.

Actually I've seen more five screw pre-number S&W revolvers for sale these past few years than Model 28's!

Heck I've actually come across a few Model 27's recently. What is going on?

Anyway just curious about M28 prices. I paid $350 for my 4" Model 28 in 2004.

SaxonPig
November 28, 2010, 01:52 PM
"It would help if folks actually read the thread(s). His model 28 has already had an action job performed and been refinished. He wants his finished product to be HARD CHROMED. So yeah, it makes a hell of a lot more sense to chop a half inch off his existing model 28 and have it plated than to sell it for peanuts, buy a high dollar model 27 just to have an action job performed on it and plated. Get a grip folks, it's a refinished Highway Patrolman, not a minty Triple Lock!"

Actually, it would help if folks accurately represented the replies and not create words not offered. I never said anything about preserving the M28. I said it was not economically sensible to rework a 28 just to have a 1/2" shorter barrel.

The OP seems determined to have a chopped and refinished 28 that will be unattractive to most people (Hard chrome? Shudder.) and be worth about 1/3 what he has invested in it. If this is really what he wants then that's OK by me (but please don't post photos when it's done). His gun and his money.

CraigC
November 28, 2010, 07:15 PM
Yes, because brushed hard chrome is so ugly that folks mistake it for stainless steel all the time. We all KNOW how most folks take to stainless steel.

Nobody builds a custom gun with any regard for resale but your 1/3 projection is silly at best.

The Weigand front sight will almost look like it was born there.

http://www.jackweigand.com/images/fsramp.jpg

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