What Condition do you Carry In? (POLL)


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WalHam
December 21, 2003, 09:03 PM
I just wanted to conduct a quick poll to find out in what condition you carry your firearm in. If you could take the poll, I would appreciate it. Any added information anyone can provide, would be helpful.

Thanks.

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Mil Novecientos Once
December 21, 2003, 09:12 PM
If the big chunck of steel (1911) is behind my hip it is carried cocked & locked. When I carry the little blaster (CS9) it is carried 7+1, safety off.

WalHam
December 21, 2003, 09:14 PM
Thanks. What about in your home?

cool45auto
December 21, 2003, 09:14 PM
Loaded, one in the chamber, safety off. With the D model spacer I can carry cocked and safety on, too, but rarely do.

HABU
December 21, 2003, 09:20 PM
I carry my 1911 cocked and locked. Before I wised up I carried with one in the chamber and hammer down, DOH!:what: What a dum dum I was.

Kcustom45
December 21, 2003, 09:23 PM
I realized a long time ago that a 1911 was meant to be carried cocked and locked.
Hammer down on loaded chamber is a very bad idea with a 1911, IMHO.

Mike Irwin
December 21, 2003, 09:23 PM
I carry mine in revolver mode.

As in I normally carr a revolver, with the cylinder fully stoked.

Schuey2002
December 21, 2003, 09:25 PM
I carry my G19 loaded to the brim, with one in the chamber.

P95Carry
December 21, 2003, 09:29 PM
Currently - I am in ''condition Irwin'' ......... snub, fully stoked!!:D

If I am using a P series tho then ... well, a sorta cheat in a way ... cos they are both DC .. and so they are ....... one in chamber and full mag ..... but of course require a D/A to ''set em off'' ..... but no safety to worry about!:)

MeekandMild
December 21, 2003, 09:43 PM
Nice thing about the new generation of Tupperware guns. They are easy to carry with one in the chamber or just a slide rack away from readiness.

Some weeks ago I had a bonafide nut job come pound on my front door. I took the time to rack my Glock slide before going out to meet him. The sound through the closed door seemed to levitate him right off the porch and he was very polite standing way back in the yard when I opened the door to talk. With the Glock in my pocket it was one of those 2 million cases a year of nonlethal self defence nobody ever reads about.

XLMiguel
December 21, 2003, 09:50 PM
My carry guns are either SIGs, which have a disconnect and firing pin block, or 1911A1, which goes C&L, so I'm comfy with one in the tube. All in all, safety is in the mind of the user, not some mechanical device.

mdsteele
December 21, 2003, 09:51 PM
At home? Same way, fully loaded and chambered.

blades67
December 21, 2003, 09:59 PM
I carry with a round in the chamber, always.

Standing Wolf
December 21, 2003, 10:01 PM
My normal carry gun is a revolver. On the infrequent occasions when I pack my model 1911, it's as John Moses Browning intended: cocked and locked.

HogRider
December 21, 2003, 10:07 PM
Loaded in chamber - couldn't even think of any other way! Ok - exception old model single action Colts and Blackhawks :D ..

voilsb
December 21, 2003, 10:07 PM
Cocked and Locked.

Hazwaste
December 22, 2003, 12:24 AM
1 in the pipe, full mag w/ no safety for my two DAO sidearms.

1 in the pipe and full mag w/ safety for my old Browning Model 1922.

All 5 holes filled when carrying my wife's Taurus revolver.

Same way at home. Though I don't plan to use a pistol for home defense unless I can't get to my real guns.

Ala Dan
December 22, 2003, 12:37 AM
Hello!

I carry a .45 caliber SIG-SAUER P220A, always with one
up the pipe; and ready to

ROCK N' ROLL !

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

Edward429451
December 22, 2003, 12:48 AM
My Series 80 1911 has been cocked and locked for the better part of the last twenty years. Hammer down for cleaning, then back in the holster C&L.

Revolvers are all fully stoked cept for my Old model Super Bearcat non modernized, and my FA 22 mini revolver only gets four.

7.62FullMetalJacket
December 22, 2003, 12:59 AM
Is this a trick question?

How can it be loaded with the chamber empty? :neener:

Is this one of those "legal" definition issues?

1911 C&L at all times.
Revo full house
Brain engaged

Oh yeah, those plastic things.
Loaded :neener: and with one in the tube :D

rayjay
December 22, 2003, 01:03 AM
I carry all my auto's loaded but not chambered. I was taught to draw and chamber while bringing the weapon up to the target. When I carry a 1911 it's cocked and locked.

clubsoda22
December 22, 2003, 04:23 AM
a fan of the israeli draw, huh ray?

I can't carry yet, but i'm 100% sure that it would be my bersa with safety off and a round chambered (7+1)

Back home i keep my pistols in a locked draw so i have a loaded mag and nothing in the chamber of my HK USP .40. This is because i'm not often home and more often in my dorm. When i get my own place the gun will be ready to go with one in the chamber. This is because my own place will be in the city. My HD shotgun never has anything in the chamber but a full mag tube. This is because i want to rack the slide at the top of the stairs to scare off any wrongdoers before i have to put it "in service"

Tamara
December 22, 2003, 07:57 AM
For CCW, Autos cocked and locked, revolvers fully loaded.
"User" long guns at home in "cruiser ready" (empty chamber, full mag, safety off).

Hkmp5sd
December 22, 2003, 08:05 AM
Autoloaders have round chambered, safety off. Revolvers are fully stoked. Longguns are chamber empty, mag/tube full and safety off.

OH25shooter
December 22, 2003, 08:06 AM
You left out a spot: 'unlawful to carry in your state'. Not all of us are treated equally.

Captain Bligh
December 22, 2003, 08:43 AM
Any gun I carry has a round chambered and is ready for use, if needed. Usually for me, that means a 1911 cocked and locked.

Any gun at home is empty and locked up, unless it is on my person and then the first paragraph applies. I believe that any loaded gun should always be under a person's direct control.


RJ

aircarver
December 22, 2003, 10:03 AM
The poll should have distinguished between cond. 1 and cond. 2.

TonyB
December 22, 2003, 10:15 AM
Had to say other..I carry a revolver:D
condition"Irwin"too.....I love it...:cool:

stevelyn
December 22, 2003, 10:24 AM
Glock fully loaded and ready to launch. SG is cruiser ready next to door. Daewoo w/loaded mag nearby. BHP in condition 3 mainly because I'm left-handed and I don't have an ambidextrous safety installed yet. It's used more for better-than-nothing wildlife concerns when I'm out running at home and CCW when out in Los Anchorage.

HadEmAll
December 24, 2003, 12:32 AM
rayjay,

You said "I carry all my auto's loaded but not chambered. I was taught to draw and chamber while bringing the weapon up to the target. When I carry a 1911 it's cocked and locked."

Are you saying you carry a 1911 with an empty chamber AND cocked and locked?

10-Ring
December 24, 2003, 12:39 AM
Round chambered, hammer decocked & safety off.

UnknownSailor
December 24, 2003, 06:39 AM
I have been trained to go "cocked and locked", so that is what I do, even when I have my CZ on.

Alan Fud
December 24, 2003, 06:59 AM
One in the pipe with the safety engaged. At home I carry a snubbie revolver with all cylinders ready to go. Posted by rayjay: ... I carry all my auto's loaded but not chambered. I was taught to draw and chamber while bringing the weapon up to the target ... Unless you're jumped unexpectedly and only have one hand free, then the Israeli draw becomes a liability. Posted by Captain Bligh: ... Any gun at home is empty and locked up, unless it is on my person and then the first paragraph applies. I believe that any loaded gun should always be under a person's direct control ... RJ, I'm the exact opposite. I have those V-Line strongbox (http://www.vlineind.com/html/desk_mate.html) (with a loaded gun and a full reload inside) bolted down and hidden out of plain sight in almost every room of my house. If I need a gun, I don't have to run from one end of the house to another but can quickly reach one.

71Commander
December 24, 2003, 07:50 AM
Any one of the 1911's are one up the pipe and C&L. safety on.

Bersa FireStorm has one up, hammer down and safety on.

Any wheel gun is fully loaded.

Shotgun has full compliment but empty chamber. 5 extra rounds in a elastic ammo holder on the butt.

Would never use a rifle for home defense. Afraid of over penetration.

xjer
December 24, 2003, 10:44 AM
Full house in the SP101, One up the pipe in my P95DC, no saftey.

Mike

DMK
December 24, 2003, 11:03 AM
8 rounds of 45ACP loaded in mag on belt, 7 rounds of 45ACP loaded in mag in gun, 1 round in chamber, thumb safety enabled, grip safety in neutral, brain engaged, mkI eyeballs in condition yellow scan mode.

Wakal
December 24, 2003, 11:11 AM
STI Commander in 9 by 23 Supercomp. Round up, safety on, 18 in the tube.



Alex

WhoKnowsWho
December 24, 2003, 11:46 AM
I always carry with it loaded into the chamber. I am not going to treat the gun any different whether one is in the chamber or not. All the same rules apply. So I leave it in the condition it can be quickly put into action.

rayjay
December 24, 2003, 02:14 PM
Sorry guys, I should have worded that alittle differently. When I carry a 1911 it is chambered and cocked and locked. When I carry a SA/DA or DAO I carry them loaded but not chambered.

clubsoda22

Big fan. The training was hard, and long, but it has stuck with me for years now. It has instilled in me "habits" that are hard to break, not that I'd want to break them anyways. They are good "habits" and the training was priceless.

Alan Fud

We were taught to chamber the weapon with one hand by either hooking the rear sight on our holster,belt or belt loop and pushing down or by digging the rear sight into the side of our thigh and pushing down. One handed chambering is no problem. It might slow you down a "tad" but with practice it can be done rather quickly.

hutch24
December 24, 2003, 05:49 PM
CCW- Keltec P11, one in the chamber 10 in the mag.
At home- Rem 870 cruiser ready. :D

rick newland
December 24, 2003, 06:18 PM
Been carrying Colt Govt Models for 30 years cocked and locked, on and off duty. Retired now and still carry 1911 cocked and locked.

Dave Markowitz
December 24, 2003, 06:19 PM
When I carry my Makarov it's with the chamber loaded and hammer down, safety off.

When I carry my S&W M640, it's loaded to full capacity with 5 beans in the wheel.

Kalvan
December 24, 2003, 09:43 PM
I carry cocked and locked (.45 Govt primary) and 6+1 hammer down (.380 DAO BUG).
It might slow you down a "tad" but with practice it can be done rather quickly.
I'm fascinated. What possible advantage do you perceive acrues in carrying a DA/DAO auto in Condition 3? Why is it OK to carry one up the pipe in a 1911, but not the DA/DAO guns? There are three downsides to Condition 3 carry that I can see. a) A lot slower than a tad. I watched a DOE SWAT guy trying to do the "snag the rear sight" thing on his drop-down holster while under stress once (he was actually doing one-handed malf clearance); it wasn't pretty. b) One less round immediately available. c) No rounds available if it misfeeds in the process. The Israelis do it because they had a law or military regulation that prohibited carrying their Hi-Powers cocked-and-locked. This seems latterly to have come to "featuring the flaw" in marketing of self-defense techniques. It's a bafflement to me, akin to carrying a modern 6-shot revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer.

HBK
December 24, 2003, 09:50 PM
If it's not ready to fire, it's not much use. ;)

Brian Williams
December 24, 2003, 09:57 PM
I'm never loaded but my always gun always is.

P95Carry
December 24, 2003, 10:02 PM
I'm never loaded Hehe! Wonder what ''loaded'' that means Brian!!:D If it's cash then I reckon we are all in the same boat mostly.

Hey ..... where's Gus gotten to these days?! Can't say as I've ''seen'' her for a while. Happy Hol' to y'all there.:)

Glamdring
December 24, 2003, 10:17 PM
Handguns are always loaded & ready to go.

Long guns are in cruiser ready, chamber empty mag full.

Ironbarr
December 24, 2003, 11:14 PM
When I carry my Makarov it's with the chamber loaded and hammer down, safety off.I know a Makarov 9x18 DA/SA/decocker Pistolette has a floating firing pin (no spring), but I fail to see the advantage over a typical draw-safety off-squeeze-bang-bangbangbangbangbangbangbangbang (1&8), particularly (IMHO) when the front sight comes up normally this way.

I'd think that there would be a wobble or so when putting the front sight on target and having to thumb the hammer for the "first shot SA" capability.

I also think that the floating firing pin/dropped hammer is a safety consideration - especially if dropped.

I consider my Bulgie to be as safe a pistol as can be found when carried as designed and following the four rules.

Since you may be on to something though (I haven't tried your method), I'm willing to learn. Can you relate your experience with this method? Any safety problems?

Thanks.

-Andy

rayjay
December 25, 2003, 02:34 AM
I'm fascinated. What possible advantage do you perceive acrues in carrying a DA/DAO auto in Condition 3? Why is it OK to carry one up the pipe in a 1911, but not the DA/DAO guns? There are three downsides to Condition 3 carry that I can see. a) A lot slower than a tad. I watched a DOE SWAT guy trying to do the "snag the rear sight" thing on his drop-down holster while under stress once (he was actually doing one-handed malf clearance); it wasn't pretty. b) One less round immediately available. c) No rounds available if it misfeeds in the process. The Israelis do it because they had a law or military regulation that prohibited carrying their Hi-Powers cocked-and-locked. This seems latterly to have come to "featuring the flaw" in marketing of self-defense techniques. It's a bafflement to me, akin to carrying a modern 6-shot revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer.

Kalvan,

If the SWAT guy wasn't quick in charging his weapon then I suggest he do alittle more practicing. I'm not saying that my way of carrying weapons is the best way to carry. I carry this way because it was how I was trained. You see 3 downsides to carrying a weapon in cond 3. I see several upsides to it. You have your opinions and I have mine.
The topic of this thread is "What Condition do you Carry In? " NOT "What Condition do you Carry in? Oh really? I see several flaws in the way you carry your weapon." The thread asked and I answered.

Hot brass
December 25, 2003, 04:29 AM
The 1911, is loaded, hammer cocked, and safety on:scrutiny:

Skunkabilly
December 25, 2003, 04:34 AM
Am I the only one who walks around at low ready? :scrutiny:

Just kidding...hammer down, loaded chamber, safety off on my decocker only 92G Beretta, or P7M8 with chamber loaded in condition P7M8, whatever that is....

Blackhawk
December 25, 2003, 05:03 PM
Always chambered.

I read all the responses to find out what "other" might mean. Only 1 poster said he voted that way, but it has 4 votes so far.

A revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer is just as "ready" as a DA or DAO auto with one in the pipe.

What else might "other" mean in the poll...? :confused:

jacketch
December 25, 2003, 07:12 PM
I just go around with a squib in the barrel:D

Seriously, it's C&L with a 1911 or BHP and chambered and decocked with a Sig.

Kalvan
December 26, 2003, 12:01 AM
rayjay,
Excuse me for asking.

LynnMassGuy
December 26, 2003, 09:40 PM
TDA with round chambered and safety off.

GunNut
December 26, 2003, 10:37 PM
Ready to rock and roll, of course.

Otherwise you're just packing a club. I've tried to explain this to a friend.

If you're not comfortable carry your gun loaded, then a person needs to try a different gun.

I have ALWAYS carried every gun I own ready to go.

Steve

BkHawk13
December 26, 2003, 10:45 PM
1911-cocked and locked, revolver full up, OM single action five with one empty.

Poohgyrr
December 27, 2003, 12:42 AM
C&L Hi Power, or cylinders fully topped off ;)..

And reading Meekandmild's post, our dogs took me to the front door about 0330 AM about two months ago. The 35 year old man with no good reason for being in our neighborhood, let alone being on my front porch, got pretty nervous glancing at my eyes and trying to see my right hand behind my hip. He quickly decided to take the driveway back to the street and on out of the neighborhood. :mad: The dogs got treats and I went back to sleep. Another successful non statistic. :D

Gabe
December 27, 2003, 01:46 AM
USP45C loaded, chamber empty, safety off.

I estimate my chances of needing to shoot one handed is extremely remote. I feel safer with the Israeli carry. If the gun gets taken from me, at least it'll confuse the other guy for a few seconds.

dave3006
December 27, 2003, 08:23 AM
When I carry my Glock in my Smartcarry, it is in condition 3. Mr. Murphy says something funcky could happen on the draw during a stressful situation. I don't want the badguy to hurt himself laughing after I have shot myself in the wee-wee.

riverdog
December 27, 2003, 10:21 AM
Cond 3, regardless of pistol -- whether it's a 1911, Glock or a Makarov, the manual of arms is the same. If I carried in areas where I might be surprised and need an immediate action capability, I would upgrade to Cond 1 with a 1911 or Cond 2 with a Glock or Mak, but I tended to avoid areas where immediate action was needed (still do) and my profile as a target was and is relatively low. I'm not in LE and I can choose to not go places that make me nervous. This comes from decades of never having any need to be in condition 1 and 99.44% of the time Cond 3 is just fine -- I've never been in that other .56% so I haven't been convinced of the error of my ways. If the pistol is a revolver, it's carried with 6 rounds, hammer down -- that's just the way a revolver is carried.

Around home where I don't carry, the pistol out of the safe is at Cond 3 and roomies revo is full. Anyone entering will make a lot of noise and will probably be met with a 12 ga Rem 870 -- five rounds in the tube.

joeoim
December 29, 2003, 10:36 PM
All my guns are always loaded. Always. I don't play with them.
I will unload them if someone wants to look at one, before I hand it over.
Theres never any question.
The way I was raised, and what I'm used to. Joe

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