Handloading 7.62x39


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sureshot
November 27, 2010, 04:43 PM
Can anyone give me a copy of charts that you use for Handloading for 7.62x39
Or point me in the right direction please.

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tkcomer
November 27, 2010, 04:58 PM
What powder and bullet do you plan to use?

Walkalong
November 27, 2010, 05:10 PM
Loadbooks are full of them, and there is good online data at the powder company sites.

sureshot
November 27, 2010, 05:11 PM
So does anyone have copys of charts or the info for Handloading 7.62x39 that I could use? Please.
Do you use the same info as for a .30-30?

sureshot
November 27, 2010, 05:14 PM
I dont know anything about Handloading it's for a freind that I'm going to get to load up some shells for me I want some 150 gr bullets but they are not redilly available in Canada

Walkalong
November 27, 2010, 05:14 PM
You can not use data for one caliber in another caliber, period.

There is good data online at the powder company sites, but also in load books, which it sounds like you need.

tkcomer
November 27, 2010, 05:15 PM
The load data for the 30-30 and 7.62x39 are different. If ya let us know what powder and bullets you want to use, we might be able to help you.

sureshot
November 27, 2010, 05:15 PM
Ok. Thanks

sureshot
November 27, 2010, 05:18 PM
I'm going to get my freind to load them for me I don't do Handloading. I want some soft point or hollow point 150, 140, and 130 grain bullets.

sureshot
November 27, 2010, 05:20 PM
So maybe you could suggest bullets and powders to me

tkcomer
November 27, 2010, 05:35 PM
Accurate Arms 1680 is a popular powder, but the online data for that is screwy in certain weights. Their minimum is the max in my book. I don't show a 140 grn bullet in my book, but for the others:

HDY 130grn SSP: 22.5gr@2020fps Minimum. 25.0gr@2296fps Max. OAL is 2.180”

SRA 150 SP: 20.3gr@1808fps Minimum. 22.5gr@2055fps Max. OAL is 2.180”

This is AA data and they used a HS Precision gun with a 20” barrel. Remington #9 primers were used.

NuJudge
November 27, 2010, 06:02 PM
A few links that might be useful. I don't believe they let you have AK's there, so pay attention to those relating to the SKS and bolt guns.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=13453&highlight=7.62x54R
http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/PerCaliber2Guide/Rifle/Standarddata(Rifle)/308Cal(7.82mm)/7%2062%2039mm%20Pages%20284%20and%20285.pdf
http://www.reloadammo.com/762rload.htm
http://www.recguns.com/Sources/VIID1.html
http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/the-762x39

cataway
November 27, 2010, 06:30 PM
i don't blame you for wanting to reload the 762X39 its one of my favored loadings. i have 5 different guns in that caliber and each likes a different powder, i never did try to work up a load for the SKS so i can offer very little help to you if thats what your loading for.

best bullet i have found yet is made by hornady#3142 ,i think the only place it can be had from is graff&son looks like it may be proprietary .


what gun do you have?

Sediment
November 27, 2010, 06:32 PM
HDY 130grn SSP: 22.5gr@2020fps Minimum. 25.0gr@2296fps Max. OAL is 2.180

According to my Hornady book for AA 1680 powder, 130gr. SSP Minimum is 19.4gr at 1900 FPS, Maximum is 23.9gr at 2200 FPS. Max OAL 2.180". Not saying tkcomer is wrong, but this is the data my Hornady book has listed.

Hornady BT-FMJ 150-155gr. #3037.
IMR 4198 powder, Minimum 18.1gr @ 1700 FPS, Maximum 23.4gr @ 2100 FPS. Max OAL 2.200"

Same round with AA 1680 powder.
Minimum 18.2gr @ 1700 FPS, Maximum 22.9gr @ 2100 FPS. Same OAL at 2.200"

Get to a powder manufacturer website they have most loads published online so you can browse the information they have posted.

I take no responsibility for the information I have provided. All information has been copied from the 'Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading, Volume 7'.

armoredman
November 27, 2010, 06:33 PM
I have some loads with a 160 grain CAST boolit, and 123 grain JACKETED bulet, using Accurate Arms #1680 powder, is that what you're looking for?
Get the Loadbook, that's a great inexpensive resource.

Sediment
November 27, 2010, 06:36 PM
Quote:
HDY 130grn SSP: 22.5gr@2020fps Minimum. 25.0gr@2296fps Max. OAL is 2.180”

I already posted this in the other thread created by sureshot. But just for clarity I am reposting here.


According to my Hornady book for AA 1680 powder, 130gr. SSP Minimum is 19.4gr at 1900 FPS, Maximum is 23.9gr at 2200 FPS. Max OAL 2.180". Not saying tkcomer is wrong, but this is the data my Hornady book has listed.

Hornady BT-FMJ 150-155gr. #3037.
IMR 4198 powder, Minimum 18.1gr @ 1700 FPS, Maximum 23.4gr @ 2100 FPS. Max OAL 2.200"

Same round with AA 1680 powder.
Minimum 18.2gr @ 1700 FPS, Maximum 22.9gr @ 2100 FPS. Same OAL at 2.200"

Get to a powder manufacturer website they have most loads published online so you can browse the information they have posted.

I take no responsibility for the information I have provided. All information has been copied from the 'Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading, Volume 7'.

armoredman
November 27, 2010, 06:37 PM
I use a lot of ##1680, great powder, but I run 123grain jacketed and 160grain cast.

sureshot
November 27, 2010, 06:57 PM
I'll be loading for an Russian SKS

HOWARD J
November 27, 2010, 08:12 PM
Don't the stores in your area sell that cheap Russian ammo
Wolf, tula,Herters, etc.
I costs more to reload than above ammo////////////////////

sureshot
November 27, 2010, 08:20 PM
There is ammo but I want larger grains than are available there are very few places that sell 150gr

DANNY-L
November 27, 2010, 08:21 PM
For my mini 30 .310dia.speer 150gr. sp,cci200,22.5gr. imr4198 oal 2.200 I got one ragged hole at 50yds w/scope have'nt tried it at 100 yet but I think it will be good considering its a stock mini

rbernie
November 27, 2010, 08:27 PM
I use H4198 with 123gr-125gr and 150gr bullets and H322 with 174gr-180gr bullets.

The biggest issue with heavier .311-.312 bullets is that they're constructed for velocities greater than the 7.62x39 will muster, which means they'll penetrate well but not necessarily open up much on thin-skinned game. You also have to watch the bullet shape to make sure that you don't get a bullet that's too 'pointy' for the OAL of the chambering - don't want to be seating the bullets so deeply that the case neck winds up in the bullet ogive....

cataway
November 27, 2010, 09:27 PM
h4198 i only have one gun that likes that stuff its a TC hand gun 8'' and it likes a 125 gr 30-30 bullet your going to call me a lier if i tell ya how good it shoots

snuffy
November 27, 2010, 11:23 PM
There is ammo but I want larger grains than are available there are very few places that sell 150gr

You DO know that the 150 grains refers to the bullet weight, (the projectile), don't you?

You'd be better off sticking with the standard 123-5 grain weight. As stated, the 150's are constructed more heavily for more powerful cartridges. For deer type animals, they won't expand properly to transmit energy and cause wound trauma.

sureshot
November 28, 2010, 04:41 AM
I could use them for larger game though

steve4102
November 28, 2010, 09:57 AM
I could use them for larger game though


What do you mean by larger game?

As already stated the 150gr .310-.311 bullets are to hard for the slow velocities generated by the X39. If you must have a 150gr I would start with this one from Speer.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=282179

In my Mini-30 for 150gr I use Hornady 150gr RN 30-30 bullets. These will have better terminal performance, bu they are .308 and may not be very accurate in your SKS.

For bullets of 135gr and up, my Ruger likes H-322, H-4198 and N-130. AA 1680 is a good powder for the x39, but I haven't had it do very well with bullets over 130gr.

sureshot
November 28, 2010, 06:20 PM
By larger game I mean thicker skinned animals

rbernie
November 28, 2010, 09:51 PM
I have used the Sierra 150gr and the Hornady 174gr RN on hog, and they've done fine. I've also used the Sierra 125gr on a 500lb boar, and got almost complete pass-through of the ribcage.

You might be surprised at how well the Sierra 125gr spitzer holds up to stout use. It's a lot mo' sturdy than the Hornady or similar....

Jesse Heywood
November 29, 2010, 05:03 AM
By larger game I mean thicker skinned animals

For thicker hide you need a bullet that does not expand, but penetrates. Which is what the military surplus ammo does best.

You are asking a lot out of a rifle and round that was designed to wound (not kill) humans at ranges of less than 100 yards. I would recommend a larger, more powerful round for animals larger than deer. For a mil-surplus gun something chambered for the 7.62 x 54 would be a far better choice.

armoredman
November 29, 2010, 10:28 AM
I would have to instantly disagree that 7.62x39mm was designed to wound at less than 100 yards. That would be a 22 Short. A lot of combat vets would disagree with you, too.
MilSurp ammo is verboten for hunting in many places, such as AZ, but a good soft point round will work very well on deer. Ballistics are often compared to 30-30, and I would hazard a guess a deer or two has fallen to it.
The bullets are out there, the load data is there, get the Loadbook and have fun. First section in Loadbook is Hornady, with loads for five different 150-155 grain bullets stepping out from 1700 to 2200 FPS.

MrOldLude
November 29, 2010, 10:52 AM
Not sure if it has been mentioned, but:

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

Put in your caliber, and it'll show you the tables for many different loads.

cataway
November 29, 2010, 10:08 PM
i agree the 762 39 is made to kill even the bullet the commies used was desigend to tumble when it hits flesh

rbernie
November 29, 2010, 10:53 PM
No offense, guys, but there's no need to speculate on how 7.62x39 can perform on game when a search of the rifles, hunting, and reloading forums here will reveal a number of first hand accounts of successes and issues with using it. For example, THR member krochus dropped a decent-sized deer at almost 300 yards with his (and posted about it here). My own experiences, also posted here, have shown that there's no reason that an accurate rifle chambered in 7.62x39 cannot put down any game animal inside of 300 yards and under, say, 400lbs.

It may not be ideal, but it's far from foolhardy.

cataway
November 30, 2010, 08:27 PM
there is no dought in my mind, i just cant find a deer that far away to prove it,less than 100yd is the norm

PtrJack
December 1, 2010, 03:17 PM
Sureshot,
Your "friend" that is going to reload for you should know most of what has been posted here so far! If he doesn't know how to find load info., you don't need to be shooting bullets he has loaded!!! No joke!! I have probably loaded only about 500 rounds total, but I studied reloading several months before I loaded my first round!

It can be dangerous or possibly fatal to do it wrong. Don't play around with it.

Do the research or just use the factory loads. The communists have been using factory loads in the SKS with satisfactory results from day one!!!

sureshot
December 2, 2010, 03:20 AM
Great point

Kachok
December 2, 2010, 01:21 PM
The 7.62x39 does not pack the speed recomanded to cause expansion of bullets designed for 303, 308, or 30-06. Not at any kind of range anyway, if you are expecting a 150gr core lock PSP to expand properly at under 1,800 fps impact vilosity you will not be happy with the results, if you get any expansion it will be slight at best expect FMJ terminal performance. Wolf makes a 122gr Hollow point and a 150gr soft point both are lethal on deer sized game. Oh and using 30-30 load data for a 7.62x39 is crazy you will hurt yourself badly, the 30-30 is a longer and higher cap case that works at a slightly higher pressure do not try to mix.

cataway
December 2, 2010, 07:25 PM
''The 7.62x39 does not pack the speed recommended to cause expansion of bullets designed for 303, 308, or 30-06. ''

so very true ,but the 30 30 bullet sierra #2020 does, also the# 2000 150gr and #2010 170gr should do better than the 308 &06 bullets

i did get some good results from the #2020 some what in the mini 30 and was good in the fox ridge encore 7.62 X39

the hornady 123gr #3142 is still the best bullet as far as i'm concerned extremely good in my AR

Kachok
December 2, 2010, 07:34 PM
I did some reading and there is a better option then trying to get 30-30 bullets to work, Serria makes a fast opening 150gr real .312 cal that works well with the 7.62x39 speeds that sure beats trying to get accuracy out of a .308 bullet in a .313 barrel. It is sold as a pro hunter so they are not expensive at all either.

Walkalong
December 2, 2010, 08:00 PM
Sounds like a viable option Kachok.

cataway
December 2, 2010, 08:06 PM
ah but will it hit were your aiming

steve4102
December 4, 2010, 09:22 AM
Serria makes a fast opening 150gr real .312 cal that works well with the 7.62x39 speeds

Are you are referring to the Sierra 150gr Pro Hunter .311 #2300? I have talked to Sierra about this bullet in the X39 and was told it was designed for much higher velocities than the x39 can produce. Haven't tried it though, maybe it will work.

Roodles
December 4, 2010, 09:27 AM
Question to the re-loaders - has anyone got an accurate load with a lee 155gr 312" cast bullet?

For use in an AK with a 12" barrel.

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