Got to be the worst gun related article ever


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Gouranga
November 28, 2010, 09:44 AM
So here is the gist. This woman was shot and kill which is tragic. Instead of focusing on that, this "reporter" goes into a controversial ammo called "Hollow points". It is the most biased, ignorant, incomplete reporting on a gun issue I have seen on a long while.

I actually was pushed to write an email to this articles writer. It is just horrible. Considering police carry this horrific ammo. They also fail to mention folks carry it because of penetration which actually makes it a safer ammo to be firing in the close confines of suburbia where FMJ provides a higher risk of hitting other homes.

It is just horrible.

Link:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/11/26/publicist.killed/index.html?hpt=T2

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Walkalong
November 28, 2010, 09:53 AM
Bad mouthing hollow points and trying to make gun owners look like blood thirsty evil people used to be big with the left. One comedian used to do routines on them. :barf:

Nothing new really. Just some old tactics. They have no care as to accuracy, just trying to make us look bad.

hso
November 28, 2010, 10:09 AM
Not like the article is a rant on hollow points. The reporter is trying to find some controversy to make an article with no new information more "interesting" and drags out a distorted recollection of "Black Talon" ammunition and the old controversy around it and transfers it to hollow points to "spice" up what is essentially a cold case with no leads and no motive. Hype. The smartest thing in the whole absurd piece is the quote of the police chief, "Beverly Hills Police Chief David Snowden asked journalists a week ago to keep "erroneous information, theories or speculation" out of their stories." Pity the author didn't follow the advice.

jonmerritt
November 28, 2010, 10:14 AM
I didn't see the article as bashing hollow points, but it did say it might have been a 9mm, which is a bogus claim. It could have been a .380, or a .38 spcl, or a .357. Or no casings could be a 9mm revolver too, they don't know yet.
What is funny is all the resonses to the article, and many of them have no clue as to what they are talking about. One did make a interesting comment above the others, that looks like a pro, that I think tried to make it look like an amateur. And I don't base that off of movies.

therewolf
November 28, 2010, 10:31 AM
First let me state I firmly believe in 2A and the RKBA. If I had my way, it would be Open Carry, pretty much everywhere.

That said, being a target shooter, I really have no use for hollow points, dum-dums, etc. I just don't see them remaining accurate over a distance, or dependably feeding in many autoloaders. But it's only in a practical vein.

Currently, I'm searching for the most accepted and non-penetrating safety ammo for SD, for CCW purposes. I'm going to avoid the ones bragging about lethal effectiveness. I'll be looking for the ones which advertise bystander safety.

As to the journalists, hype in the name of selling soap and dog food is what they're all about. We at THR are proud we hold ourselves to a high standard of objectivity. The Media is just interested in distorting a story any way they can to create sales, and our constitutional rights are just a tool to abuse in order to meet that goal. They've demonstrated repeatedly they have no shame, conscience,common sense, or consideration for the public welfare in their sensationalist race for higher ratings.

SaxonPig
November 28, 2010, 10:32 AM
It's the Commie News Network (CNN). What would you expect?

therewolf
November 28, 2010, 10:42 AM
The sad truth is if they were actually "Commies" their reporting would be for a much loftier goal than it actually is in real life.

Today's media buzzes around human misery and suffering like flies around a pile of manure. They make me sick.

mustang_steve
November 28, 2010, 10:50 AM
Watch as the weapon is discovered to be a 7.62 nagant pistol round or some other totally off-the-wall caliber. When that happens (if it happens), we should have a heyday on the reporter for reporting based on speculation and not facts, thus the article should have been on some random weblog instead of a "news source".

Carl N. Brown
November 28, 2010, 11:16 AM
Hollow-point bullets are controversial because the slug is designed to expand after it enters a body, causing greater damage to tissue than a solid bullet.

Full metal jacket bullets are controversial because the slug is designed to penetrate cover or even armor and then tumble after it enters a body, causing greater damage to tissue after penetrating cover or armor than a hollow-point bullet could do.

Plain lead bullets are controversial because the slug is designed to flatten on impact causing greater damage to bone or tissue. The lead .58 cal Minie ball caused more leg amputations in the Civil War than modern full metal jacket or hollow-point bullets could do.

Uh, hello, there's a killer loose and the news and news comments obsess about the bullet. I was always told first block the weapon (knife, gun, whatever), second take out the attacker: he's the real threat. If you just block the weapon, you have not removed the danger: the danger is the attacker. One, block weapon, two, neutralize attacker.

9mmforMe
November 28, 2010, 11:37 AM
This type of thing is generated to cause fear and play on the emotions of the ignorant thus resulting in so much inane legislation. Pure garbage.

Therewolf...if you want a bullet with less penetration you'll probably need to opt for a HP or you can go for one of the rounds discussed in a recent thread on frangible ammunition.

Here ya go: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=556111

scaatylobo
November 28, 2010, 11:43 AM
It would have been ok IF she were killed by some pos as long as he used a bullet that the reporter approved of = ***.

Must have been a VERY slow news day and the editor was a very non gun kinda guy that allowed that to be printed by a non gun [ anti gun ] reporter.

The death was a tragedy and the way it was done DOES NOT MATTER.

Killing another is WRONG,self defense is sadly required due to this kind of attack.

Carl N. Brown
November 28, 2010, 12:28 PM
A recent comment to a NYT article reminds me of the mentality of the anti-gun mindset:
No Gun, No Violence.

The majority of criminals don't own guns (two Knoxville cops told the papers that 4 of 5 criminals did not own a gun, and of criminals who owned guns maybe 1 of 5 got a gun from a legal source).

Criminologist Marvin Wolfgang who personally hated guns, wrote that of the 588 homicides he studied, motive and opportunity carried more weight than means, and few homicides due to shooting would be avoided merely if a gun were not present.

Now of the self-defense uses of guns I know about (for example, one woman with a rifle against four men, one woman with a pistol against two men), the absence of the gun would have meant more violence, not less.

The obsession with guns and focus on means is not effective anti-crime policy, but gun control laws can effectively inhibit self defense.

EddieNFL
November 28, 2010, 02:36 PM
That said, being a target shooter, I really have no use for hollow points, dum-dums, etc. I just don't see them remaining accurate over a distance, or dependably feeding in many autoloaders.

Thus proving ignorance does exist on both sides of the argument.

The lack of official information about the investigation has spurred speculation by residents and reporters about the killing.


What reporters do best.

Bernie Lomax
November 28, 2010, 02:57 PM
What's ironic about this article is that, while HPs are better stoppers, they're actually less lethal than regular ball ammo.

rozziboy18
November 28, 2010, 04:34 PM
"One bullet was recovered from her back while at the hospital and is possibly from a 9 mm hollow point,"

if im right, i rarly am,thats just bad grammer, and poor information. ive been corrected on here for my not good grammer more times than i can count! if what im saying is right then maybe i could be a fear mongering over imbelishing reporter too! good bye pawn shop!

Gouranga
November 28, 2010, 09:14 PM
That's what got me the most. It is possibly a hollow point. Possibly. Yet the reporter reports it as fact.

Add to that a controversy around them. What is the so called controversy? Many police departments use them. I use them for HD and CCW. Being in suburbia, chances are if I ever need it, it will be close range. Also, chances are I will be in an area with lots of bystanders and structures. Anything that lower my chances of over penetration is good for my situation.

If i was target shooting, and when I am at the range mostly I am using FMJ. Why, first and foremost it is much cheaper than my HD rounds. Second, the range requires them and third I do like to try out some longer range shooting which i do better with FMJ.

However, my HD and CCW will continue to be JHP and the reasoning is actually more around public safety than not.

orionengnr
November 28, 2010, 10:39 PM
That said, being a target shooter, I really have no use for hollow points, dum-dums, etc. I just don't see them remaining accurate over a distance, or dependably feeding in many autoloaders. But it's only in a practical vein.
For your sake, I sincerely hope you never need to fire a shot in protection of yourself or anyone else, because your thought process and conclusions are seriously flawed.
if im right, i rarly am,thats just bad grammer, and poor information. ive been corrected on here for my not good grammer more times than i can count! if what im saying is right then maybe i could be a fear mongering over imbelishing reporter too! good bye pawn shop! Hmmmm.... really? :rolleyes:

russ69
November 28, 2010, 11:24 PM
...That said, being a target shooter, I really have no use for hollow points,...

Well, in NRA bullseye pistol shooting, the last load the military worked up was the Nosler hollowpoint 45 ACP round. The reason? Better accuracy at 50 yards. The perfect flat base of that bullet helped improve 50 yard accuracy. Who would have thunk?

Thanx, Russ

Zombiphobia
November 28, 2010, 11:38 PM
I hate to say this, but I think the whole "freedom of the press" thing was a bad move. Not just for crap like this either.

pikid89
November 29, 2010, 12:08 AM
I hate to say this, but I think the whole "freedom of the press" thing was a bad move.
I dont think you ought to bash that part of the first amendment b/c with out it you get the whole Iran/N Korea "according to a statement from the state media"
personally id rather wade through the freely written BS and form my own opinions than be spoon fed by government slanted news that they EXPECT you to take as truth

ironhead7544
November 29, 2010, 09:33 AM
At one time the ACLU was very much againt hollow points. They suggested the 41 Magnum with the 210 grain LSWC as a better round. Too bad few people listened.

oldbear
November 29, 2010, 11:03 AM
I am as sick and tired or the anti gun sentiment in this country as anyone who is a member of this or any other firearm related forum, yet I donít see a great deal of bias in this report. The term hollow-point is only used three times, and from the information presented in the article all three references were correct. 1- Killer used hollow-point, 2- possibly a 9M/M hollow point, 3 Ė hollow-point are designed to expand.

So where is the bias?

The only bias I have seen so far has been posted here on our forum.

and drags out a distorted recollection of "Black Talon" ammunition I could find NO mention of Black Talon ammo mentioned in the article, as one poster suggested.

Folks IMHO we need to take the highroad, no pun indented, when we see true bias or downright lies letís expose them for what they are worth, but twisting a news story to fit our agenda only hurts us in the long road, as does attacking any person or organization that does not agree with our opinions.

Sam1911
November 29, 2010, 11:09 AM
There's really no discussion here. Yes, the media sometimes gets things wrong. Yes, for time immemorial they have tried to make stories out of thin air 'cause finding something interesting to print every day, every week, every month, every year probably gets pretty tough.

Maybe they were right, maybe they were wrong, but if you want to complain -- contact the news organization.

I hate to say this, but I think the whole "freedom of the press" thing was a bad move.


I'm closing this before we decide that there's even MORE enumerated rights we really don't care for. :scrutiny:

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