Here is an example of how effective Toy R Us anti-gun policy really is.


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Mags
November 29, 2010, 01:50 PM
Here is a link to my local news website where one of the Toy R Us here was robbed at gunpoint. The manager also admits in the story that it isn't the first time this individual robbed the store with a gun.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1857382.shtml?cat=500

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Tony50ae
November 29, 2010, 02:00 PM
No no no, you don't understand the policy enough. Its okay for the criminals to have the guns. After all they are professionals and they need it for their line of work. They don't want us common folk to have guns in their store. After all can't you picture around the holidays? Two CCW holders shooting it out over the latest gotta have toy? Far too dangerous! lol

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
November 29, 2010, 02:15 PM
That GI-Joe with the Kung fu grip is MINE! BANG! Ha mine now!

That is how the "king pins" at TRU seem to perceive us.

Sock Puppet
November 29, 2010, 03:11 PM
Don't expect the libs to understand the connection.

Claude Clay
November 29, 2010, 04:44 PM
don't expect the store manger to be armed for the 3rd robbery either

hardworker
November 29, 2010, 04:46 PM
Playing the devil's advocate:

Since no one else had a gun, the situation was not escalated to shooting.

Vector
November 29, 2010, 04:52 PM
Playing the devil's advocate:

Since no one else had a gun, the situation was not escalated to shooting.
Actually you may be on to something there. It is possible that the insurance carrier says they must establish that policy to indemnify the company from lawsuits in case a shootout were to occur and an innocent customer were to be killed in the crossfire.

Now while that does not make sense to many of us, the family will not sue the robber or his family because there is no money to be had. However they will sue the store in a heart beat even if they had no culpability in the robbery.

Mags
November 29, 2010, 04:56 PM
Since no one else had a gun, the situation was not escalated to shooting.
The robbery doesn't seem like it would be a good shoot situation with the information in the news report.

The point is that despite Toys R Us no legal carrying of guns policy somehow a gun made it in and was used in a crime.

Had the situation been escalated by the criminal it sure would be nice to have your ccw piece to defend your spouse, child, or loved ones. But Toys R Us says "no legal guns" so I guess criminals can carry all they want.

Claude Clay
November 29, 2010, 05:10 PM
Since no one else had a gun, the situation was not escalated to shooting.

myself, as a bystander, i would not fire till after he did.
it is sad that i must wait for his violence to commence but i live in Connecticut and as i understand the law of my state.....thats the way i have to act is to react.
if he were to point at me & mine ( i am not meaning being swept) i will act.

3 times in 40 odd years this has happened (oh how fun Hartford is:fire::rolleyes:). 3 times the perp(s) left and so did i; no shots fired.

KBintheSLC
November 29, 2010, 05:10 PM
That poor little criminal sociopath obviously didn't get the memo.

+1 to those who stated that this would not be a worthwhile shoot.

22-rimfire
November 29, 2010, 06:22 PM
I guess that criminal didn't see the no firearms sign. Even with allowable carry, as a bystander I would have done nothing to stop a robbery unless my life was threatened.

Vector
November 29, 2010, 06:40 PM
It just dawned on me that I do not know T r Us exact policy prohibiting firearms. I have walked into many a store over the years and never remember seeing a sign regarding weapons.

Hatterasguy
November 29, 2010, 10:12 PM
Most large retail company's have a policy of non-confrontation with robbers and shoplifters. Its cheaper to write off the merchandise and cash than to have to deal with the lawsuits and fall out of a confrontation.

The most a robber can get out of a couple of registers is what a couple grand? That's a heck of a lot cheaper than fighting a wrongful death lawsuit after the manager shoot the guy to death.

The plus side to this is if you go to Ebay you can buy all the stolen power tools from Lowes...years ago when I worked their briefly we had a meeting about that. Good deals though.:D

DasFriek
November 30, 2010, 12:01 AM
Id shoot each and every one of you for a brand spanken new Rock-em Sock-em Robots!

Of course that is a complete joke of a statement as id never want people to think a joke was even remotely true.

But i gotta say CCW is making its way across the USA and only making ground and businesses are coming around to the inevitable. And id like to thank the many people who worked hard to get us this far and further into the future.

I know i personally wont stop a robbery unless i feel a persons life is in danger or mine.
And by that i mean they have hurt someone already and about to do it again.
Most robbers are gutless and just want the money and not a fight.

But try and take my money you most likley will get shot, I consider protecting myself as protecting my body and whats attached to it.

gunnutery
November 30, 2010, 12:10 AM
Quote:
Since no one else had a gun, the situation was not escalated to shooting.


Actually, the next robber could go in completly planning on shooting someone regardles of whether or not they can shoot back.

Here in Iowa a few weeks ago, a 17 Year old came from MN, showed a clerk a gun, told her to give him money and cigarettes. She fully complied with his demand, then he shot her and killed her. He continued south and then did the same thing an hour later to another clerk.

His reason for killing them was so they couldn't testify against him in court. There are robbers that don't care about money or things of value, just hurting people.

FIVETWOSEVEN
November 30, 2010, 07:54 AM
The above is my reason for stopping a robbery. You don't know what the criminal is gonna do after he gets what he wants so its best not to find out.

danprkr
November 30, 2010, 08:06 AM
Actually you may be on to something there. It is possible that the insurance carrier says they must establish that policy to indemnify the company from lawsuits in case a shootout were to occur and an innocent customer were to be killed in the crossfire.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

Not sure of course, but I bet this one covers it nicely. Every retail outlet I ever worked at had this as part of their insurance coverage. It's just one more example as to how the insurance industry is running the world.

Gouranga
November 30, 2010, 08:27 AM
Actually, the next robber could go in completly planning on shooting someone regardles of whether or not they can shoot back.

Here in Iowa a few weeks ago, a 17 Year old came from MN, showed a clerk a gun, told her to give him money and cigarettes. She fully complied with his demand, then he shot her and killed her. He continued south and then did the same thing an hour later to another clerk.

His reason for killing them was so they couldn't testify against him in court. There are robbers that don't care about money or things of value, just hurting people.

and that is the problem with the argument that not being armed and not having someone able to confront the robber is a good thing. You are at the mercy of the robber and taking the chance that he/she has some respect for human life. Good luck with that.

Now that being said, IMO, a guy with a gun in the store does not mean i need to pull out my piece and shoot him. You need to evaluate the situation, and determine if it is feasible and wise to engage the robber with lethal force. If he is grabbing merchandise and running away (not showing any intent to harm anyone), IMO, you let him go. I am not a cop, I am not interested in "getting the bad guy" nor do I have any authority to do so. I am interested in getting home alive and I am authorized by state law to protect my life and if necessary the lives of others under certain circumstances with lethal force.

To the OP, yeah this shows what we all know and the TRU managers will never admit. Their policy does NOTHING to make the store safer. I am betting their position does have more to do with the insurance than anything else. I mean I know of nobody who refuses to go to a TRU because previously they permitted CCW. I know of a lot who will not go there because they no longer allow it. Business folks care about 1 thing making money. TRU is hurting bad and I do not see them alienating a large base of customers because some manager thinks guns are bad.

That being said, to date in my family they have lost more than 2k of sales this holiday season because of their policy. It is up to them to decide whether the loss of revenue is worth it.

edit:
As if to show off how much you can trust a criminal to just rob you:

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/633396/shots-fired-at-store-clerk-during-robbery

these guys started shooting at the clerk immediately.

kragluver
December 1, 2010, 06:37 PM
Here in Texas, places that bar CHLs have to post a precisely worded sign in both English and Spanish where it is obviously visible to folks entering the establishment. We call it the "30.06" sign as that is the numbering in the statute that sets down this part of the law. They can also give you verbal notice if they happen to notice you carrying (but concealed does mean concealed). Very few 30.06 signs can be found and those places are fairly well known amongst the CHL community. Last time I was in Toys R Us, I didn't see a 30.06 and carried away:)

FROGO207
December 2, 2010, 02:06 AM
Yeah that means that you did not follow their corporate policy.:D I however will not buy from them on general principals. Anti RKBA establishments do NOT get any of my business period.:mad:

lloveless
December 2, 2010, 02:16 AM
FROGO207,
Ditto. Plus I boycott visiting Canada and their products.
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Mousegun
December 2, 2010, 09:13 AM
But Toys R Us says "no legal guns"

Guess that means if you go in there with your CCW, you would be illegal and that would be O.K. as far as they are concerned.:neener:

JoeMal
December 2, 2010, 09:47 AM
That GI-Joe with the Kung fu grip is MINE! BANG! Ha mine now! I think a situation like this actually happened a few years ago at a Toys R Us...which might explain why they have a policy as such. News articles claim it was 'gang related', not over a toy, but who knows

Mt Shooter
December 2, 2010, 10:22 AM
Here in Montana, if they have a no gun allowed sign, they must provide legal ccw with a lock box to safely store it while you frequent there Establishment.

bkhosken
December 2, 2010, 10:38 AM
"I know a guy..."
Who was robbed at gunpoint by 2 robbers at a convenience store. He gave them the cash and stood back, they took it and a 6 pack of beer and ran. Later this person found out a pair of MALE robbers at that SAME STORE took a MALE clerk into the back storage room and sexually assaulted him during the robbery. In my book, that qualifies as a good reason to carry...oh, HELLL no!

InkEd
December 2, 2010, 10:41 AM
Most companies gun policies are set by their insurance companies and legal departments.

kragluver
December 2, 2010, 11:53 AM
In Texas, if no 30.06, then they can't stop a CHL from carrying unless they come up to you and give you verbal and/or written notice - which would of course mean that they'd need to know you were packing. Gun busters, or any other "no guns allowed" signage applies. From what I understand, that is a law unique to Texas.

leadcounsel
December 2, 2010, 12:34 PM
Toys R Us needs to put up a sign:

"No robberies allowed"

Problem solved.

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