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blindhari
November 30, 2010, 08:47 PM
I picked up 10, 500 rd boxes of 118 grain lead flat point with a .313 diameter. I am going to use it for nagant pistol. Can I also use this for a light 30-30 rifle load if I load with Trailboss? I know 30-30 is .308 instead of .313 diameter and was just wondering about possibilities. Any advice appreciated.

blindhari

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NCsmitty
November 30, 2010, 09:41 PM
They would probably work better if sized to .310-.311, but try them at the .313 and see. They may lead the barrel at the larger size.
Trail Boss will work fine.

A Lee sizer is not too expensive.

http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1291171132.4048=/html/catalog/lubesize.html



NCsmitty

243winxb
November 30, 2010, 09:43 PM
In the 30-30 i have loaded bullets as large as .311" So i would guess you might be able to use the .313" ones if the loaded rounds will chamber? A loaded rounds maximum neck diameter is .330" You might get a larger expander for your die set to open the case mouth on sizing. Or possibly not size the fired brass at all, just load the fat bullet. Lee Universal Case Expanding Die will open the case mouth to start the bullet on seating. The Lyman "M" die is what i use to open the neck and expand the case mouth for a .310" /.311" bullet.

ArchAngelCD
December 1, 2010, 01:49 AM
I would be cautious using a .313" bullet in a 30-30 Carbine with Trail Boss. Trying to force a bullet that fat down a long barrel using only Trail Boss just might get you a stuck bullet in the barrel. Trail Boss will probably push the bullet at only ~1100 fps which might not be enough to clear 18.5" or more of barrel because of the bullet diameter.

Just be careful...

Fatelvis
December 1, 2010, 07:07 AM
Those would work well in a 303 Brit, if you have one.

243winxb
December 1, 2010, 07:14 AM
Trying to force a bullet that fat down a long barrel using only Trail Boss just might get you a stuck bullet in the barrel. A jacketed bullet would need at least 750 to 800fps to clear the muzzle. A lead bullet @ 1100fps, even if it had a gas check, would surely make it out the barrel. The swaging down of the bullet in the barrel may cause leading, but you have to shot them to know. Here is a good read on sticking a jacketed in a rifle barrel. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=513183:) The length of the bearing surface of the bullet has a direct affect. More bullet bearing surface coming in contact with the barrel grooves results in more pressure because of more drag/friction. The barrel sizing a fat bullet will also increase pressure, but mostly in a jacketed bullet.:)

rcmodel
December 1, 2010, 11:14 AM
If they will fit in the chamber they should work.

I would not have any concern about them sticking in the barrel or raising pressure.

A .313" lead bullet will be a .308" lead bullet after if moves one bullet length in the bore.

Or, you could buy one of the cheap Lee push-through bullet sizers and size them .309" to start with.

They are already lubed, so you don't have to mess with that.
http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1291219983.4871=/html/catalog/lubesize.html

rc

CraigC
December 1, 2010, 11:59 AM
If they will fit in the chamber they should work.

I would not have any concern about them sticking in the barrel or raising pressure.

A .313" lead bullet will be a .308" lead bullet after if moves one bullet length in the bore.
I agree and there shouldn't be any leading concerns. You'd have more problems if they were undersized. Sounds like a good .32S&W/.32H&R/.327Fed/.32-20 bullet to me.

ArchAngelCD
December 2, 2010, 01:24 AM
I guess I'm just over cautious with a too wide bullet, a long barrel and slow velocity. :scrutiny:

blindhari
December 2, 2010, 02:26 AM
I picked up these at an estate sale with the boxes in rough shape. Boxes were marked .313 dia, rnfp, lead, lubed, hardcast. I offered $100 for the batch and a few loose in a can. When they said, Deal my wife told me I had bought more than I could carry off. (She was Right). I have 32-20 brass for converting to 7.62 Nagant. Being able to use them in a 30-30 is a bonus. Every tin can and jack rabbitt will soon be facing a new predator.
Thanks for the advice,

blindhari

243winxb
December 2, 2010, 10:41 AM
I guess I'm just over cautious with a too wide bullet, a long barrel and slow velocity. Its good to be cautious.:) Seen a guy using hot loads of unsized very fat bullets in a 40 S&W. The result was 2 damaged barrels. The problem went away when he sized the bullets. http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/40SW_1-1.jpg http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/40SW_2.jpg

CraigC
December 2, 2010, 12:10 PM
Apples to oranges, we ain't discussing hot loads and oversized bullets in Glocks. We're discussing slightly oversized bullets at reduced velocities in a .30-30 rifle. I'd suggest reading some of Paco Kelly's articles over on leverguns.com for info from someone who actually does this stuff.

ArchAngelCD
December 2, 2010, 01:13 PM
I picked up these at an estate sale with the boxes in rough shape. Boxes were marked .313 dia, rnfp, lead, lubed, hardcast. I offered $100 for the batch and a few loose in a can. When they said, Deal my wife told me I had bought more than I could carry off. (She was Right). I have 32-20 brass for converting to 7.62 Nagant. Being able to use them in a 30-30 is a bonus. Every tin can and jack rabbitt will soon be facing a new predator.
Thanks for the advice,

blindhari
You bought 5,000 118gr lead bullets for only $100??!!!
That is a GREAT price even though they were too heavy to cart off all at once. Any time you can buy 118gr bullets for only 2 cents a piece it's a very good day. You will be shooting on the cheap for a while I'm sure!

Kernel
December 3, 2010, 01:05 AM
I use .32-20 bullets in my .30-30s. In my Microgrooved Marlin I size them to 0.311" with a Lee sizing die. In my Winchesters I size them to 0.309" (this size also works in rifles chambered in .308 Win and .30-06). In my .303 British Lee-Enfield I leave them at 0.313". One cheap little pistol bullet, bought in bulk, sized three different ways, for almost all of my .30 cal rifle plinking. IIRC I pay about $45 for 500. 5000 of them would keep me set for a looooooong time.

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