Recommend a Good Intro Turret or Progressive Press for Pistol Calibers


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Olympus
December 3, 2010, 08:50 PM
I think for Christmas I'm going to get started in the world of reloading and wanted to get some good input on what kind of press everyone would recommend for a new reloader. I don't plan on reloading for any rifles and don't have any plans to transition into that in the foreseeable future. So I'm strictly looking to load pistol calibers in 9mm, 38/357, 40, and 45. I don't shoot a ton in a year's time, so high volume reloading isn't what I'm looking for. I may shoot 750 rounds a year of each of those 4 calibers, so approximately 3000 rounds a year.

My father in law has a Lee LoadMaster and I mentioned that one to my old man as a gift for Christmas. I guess he tried to order it and said that Natchez and Midway are sold out and backordered until after Christmas on the LoadMaster. So my questions are: 1.) Is there an introductory turret or progressive press that would be better or more affordable for a beginner? 2.) If so, where should I look to find good prices on one? Ordering online isn't a problem. And 3.) If the LoadMaster is a good choice, is there somewhere other than Natchez or Midway to purchase one? I looked on Cabela's website and didn't even see the LoadMaster listed.

Thanks for your help fellas!

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GNLaFrance
December 3, 2010, 09:04 PM
I'm a new reloader also and have a Lee Classic Turret Press (http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1291424263.1582=/html/catalog/turretpress.html#ClassicTurretPress). No complaints so far.

You could also start with four or five basic Lee Loaders (http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1291424263.1582=/html/catalog/cleeloader.html). If I were starting over, I think I'd go that way because I'm not shooting as much as I thought I would, and they take up less space.

Olympus
December 3, 2010, 09:10 PM
I'm thinking that I'd rather have something that can switch between calibers more easily than the Classic. I don't have a lot of room to work with and I would prefer something that I can easily switch dies and plates with.

GNLaFrance
December 3, 2010, 09:14 PM
Ah, then you get a plate for each set of dies and set them up. Switching plates is much faster than swapping and adjusting dies. I keep my die plate setups in 4 inch diameter PVC pipe sections cut to 1.5 inches long.

dsv424
December 3, 2010, 09:38 PM
I have the Lee Classic Turret and reload 17 different calibers with it. Very satified with its performance. Just takes seconds to change from one caliber to the next. I got mine from here.https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=629&category_id=23&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41
Very good deal. All you need is a scale and your ready to go.

dsv424
December 3, 2010, 09:40 PM
Sorry, on my previous post I pointed you to just the press. Here is the kit.https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=629&category_id=23&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41

dsv424
December 3, 2010, 09:44 PM
For some reason I can't show you the page with the kit. Must be me with internet illiteracy. Just go to the kits when you get to the Kempf's website. Sorry about that.

GNLaFrance
December 3, 2010, 09:57 PM
Here ya go: Kempf Kit w/ Lee Classic Turret Press (Lee Precision) Price: $177.95 (https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=630&category_id=190&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41)

Racinbob
December 3, 2010, 10:02 PM
With what you're looking for....Lee is the way to go. I use a Dillon Square Deal now and like it way better than the Lee progressive but you want a turret press. You won't beat the dollar/value of their presses.

Skip_a_roo
December 3, 2010, 10:03 PM
Kempf Gun Shop is about an hour and a half from where I live. They will have what you want on the shelf. Ordering online is the best way to go about it. In person, old man Kempf can be kind of cantankerous! His daughter Sue is a world class SASS shooter and they have a ton of stuff for that discipline, clothes and all.

They are a big time Lee dealer with mould on the shelf too. There are several of the Lee progressives set up in their shop to oogle over. They aren't for me, I like the blue ones!

As far as turret presses go though, there is none better than the Lee CAST in my opinion. Get enough "turrets", they can be found on flea bay, so you can simply take them out and put them in, no quicker change over can be made than that!

Dillon has an entry level press now too. It will do rifle as well though.


With the criteria you have mentioned though, I would suggest the Lee.

FWIW

www.kempfgunshop.com (http://www.kempfgunshop.com)

https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=630&category_id=190&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41

HOWARD J
December 3, 2010, 10:27 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=880135

This is a great press--you have a separate turret for each caliber.
Get yourself a good scale like RCBS 5-0-5.
Do not buy a Lee scale---it is accurate but very slow.
Pick up some reloading manuals.
Have fun

Olympus
December 3, 2010, 11:24 PM
I guess I forgot to mention that I was kind of swayed toward the Lee LoadMaster because my father in law has about 15 turrets and plates for different calibers and they're already set up. My thinking was that if I bought a LoadMaster too then he'd be willing to loan me his different caliber turrets and plates.

My thinking was that I could get this kit: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=536731 and then I could just go over and borrow other my FILs turrets and floor plates and I wouldn't have to buy all the different dies.

Is my reasoning flawed?

greyling22
December 3, 2010, 11:47 PM
you might have to tweak the dies a bit moving from a turret press to a loadmaster. if 100 every hour to hour and a half is an acceptable speed for you you might just buy a turret press too.

And I'm seeing shell plate tossed around a lot in this thread in conjunction with a turret press. shell plates go to progressive presses, shell holders go with turret presses. they come with a die set. shell plates are sold separately.

but I think your logic is sound. make life as easy on yourself as possible and get your FIL to help you start reloading.

chbrow10
December 3, 2010, 11:57 PM
Olympus,

If your dad is willing to share toolheads and shellplates, then yes, the loadmaster is the way to go for your application. I wouldn't recommend a progressive to a "cold start" reloader, since there are a lot of moving parts on a progressive machine (and a lot of things to go wrong at once). If your dad can teach you on his machine, then you are in pretty good shape. So much of reloading is problem solving by yourself (and THR) that having a mentor/teacher is a real advantage, especially if his press is the same as yours.

Chris

MrWesson
December 3, 2010, 11:58 PM
I'm a new reloader also and have a Lee Classic Turret Press. No complaints so far.


I agree but make sure you hit lee factory sales and order about 10 square ratchet(they're cheap) which is the bearing used for the auto index(makes the turret spin) and they are plastic and wear out pretty quick.

cfullgraf
December 4, 2010, 12:07 AM
I guess I forgot to mention that I was kind of swayed toward the Lee LoadMaster because my father in law has about 15 turrets and plates for different calibers and they're already set up. My thinking was that if I bought a LoadMaster too then he'd be willing to loan me his different caliber turrets and plates.

My thinking was that I could get this kit: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=536731 and then I could just go over and borrow other my FILs turrets and floor plates and I wouldn't have to buy all the different dies.

Is my reasoning flawed?

Midway shows the kit you list in stock today.

Dies may need to be readjusted when turrets are moved from press to press due to manufacturing variations. Not a big deal but it may not be as convenient as it seems on the surface.

greyling22, FYI, the Loadmaster uses shell plates not shell holders.

greyling22
December 4, 2010, 12:47 AM
I know, that was the point I was trying to make. I guess I failed. loadmaster, shell plate.
turret press, shell holder. be sure to check out pricing on midsouth or check for a midway coupon code. heck, cabelas runs coupons too.

Olympus
December 4, 2010, 02:43 PM
Good suggestions so far! Thanks everybody!

I didn't know that about having to tweak the dies if I borrowed turrets and shell plates from my FIL.

mallc
December 4, 2010, 04:20 PM
1.) Is there an introductory turret or progressive press that would be better or more affordable for a beginner? 2.) If so, where should I look to find good prices on one?

Hornady’s Lock-N-Load AP is an automatic, five-station press with the most user-adaptable and innovative patented quick tool change technology of all progressive presses.

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/5988

Low price seldom means good value.

Scott

JoelSteinbach
December 4, 2010, 05:37 PM
The dillon square deal B will make you thankful that you invested in it.

RustyFN
December 4, 2010, 08:57 PM
Is my reasoning flawed?

I wouldn't say flawed, I think you are just looking at a lot more press than you need. I would recommend the Lee classic turret. It is very easy to set up and operate. You can change calibers in one minute. I can load 2,000 rounds a month easy so 3,000 rounds a year would be a piece of cake. I also think it would be a lot easier to learn on than a Loadmaster.

Taroman
December 4, 2010, 09:03 PM
+ what they all said on the Lee Classic Turret. Great to just pop in a turret all set up for a caliber and go. Also, the "progressive" function is easily disabled. I prime off the press. Also, the Lee Auto Disk Pro measure is great for handgun calibers.

Olympus
December 4, 2010, 09:10 PM
Hornady’s Lock-N-Load AP is an automatic, five-station press with the most user-adaptable and innovative patented quick tool change technology of all progressive presses.


$400 without any dies is a little more than I was thinking.

And I've watched several YouTube videos of the Classic Turret press and I'm just not quite sold on it. I'm thinking that if I was able to reload ammo and save some money, I'd probably shoot more than I do now. And since my FIL has the LoadMaster, I figured I would have him help me set it up and get it tuned in. Then if I ever had any problems, he has the exact same one so I could easily troubleshoot with him. And maybe it will give me a little room to grow into. I think I've just about decided. But I appreciate all the feedback and helpful information. I'm sure once I get it set up, I'll be back over here to ask some more questions.

chbrow10
December 4, 2010, 09:54 PM
Olympus,

Glad you have made your decision. As I am sure your FIL will tell you, go slow, be deliberate, and take your time. Once you figure out all the moving parts, the speed will come.

If I can make a suggestion: Picking from your list of calibers, start with 45 ACP first. It is a big case, easy to see into and handle with fat fingers. It is also a low pressure cartridge, and the guns it is chambered for are usually pretty strong, so it can be forgiving. It is also very easy to see into to see if it is charged or double charged with powder. Primer pockets are never crimped, so priming is pretty easy.

9mm and 40 are rather high pressure cartridges, and military 9mm brass has crimped primer pockets and is difficult to prime without removing the crimp.

My two cents, and good luck.

c

floydster
December 4, 2010, 10:39 PM
Get the Lee Classic Turret, it is an excellent unit, I like it better then my Hronady LNL.:)

RandyP
December 4, 2010, 10:56 PM
For low cost value you would be hard pressed to beat the Lee Classic 4-hole turret. I bought separate turrets for each caliber I reload (they are inexpensive enough) so switching calibers on the press is very fast and like I mentioned very economical. My output is about 150-175 rounds per hour which is more than enough for meeds.

Hondo 60
December 4, 2010, 11:36 PM
Get a Lee Classic Cast Turret with extra turrets for each caliber.

cfullgraf
December 5, 2010, 12:08 AM
Good suggestions so far! Thanks everybody!

I didn't know that about having to tweak the dies if I borrowed turrets and shell plates from my FIL.

The operative work is "may". You won't know until you try one. Just check out the dies' settings when borrowing one of your FIL's turret/die set ups.

kludge
December 5, 2010, 12:46 AM
If it's just pistol and only pistol I'd be tempted to go with the standard Lee Turret. It has a shorter throw, I just don't like the random places primers end up. I have the Turret, Classic Turret, and Loadmaster.

For calibers that are simply range fodder, like .38, .40, .45 Colt, it's nice to have the Loadmaster, I can sit down and crank out a years worth of ammo. But for load development I wouldn't want to do it on the Loadmaster, but you could.

RustyFN
December 5, 2010, 11:02 AM
I'm thinking that if I was able to reload ammo and save some money, I'd probably shoot more than I do now.

Good luck with your Loadmaster. I know a few people that have one and are very happy. A good place to get help and just find out some secrets on the Loadmaster is http://forums.loadmastervideos.com/forums/index.php. Darwin, Uncle Don and Shadow wrote the book on the Loadmaster, it's a great site for any Lee product.

jfh
December 5, 2010, 12:02 PM
Olympus, I am a long-time Lee user: I currently have a Load-Master set up (for my "fodder"), and an older Turret (for load development). Here's a couple of thoughts for you--

1. Were I your f-i-l, and I found you had "readjusted" my dies each time you borrowed them, I might start having a negative impression of you.

2. Load-Masters can be notoriously hard to get running smoothly, so while you are using it initially remove the indexing lever and use it as a single stage.

3. Personally, I think you should go for the Classic Cast Turret (or whatever it is called now). The benefits of a true progressive for the volume you plan on shooting is really not there when one compares the learning curves on the two.

4. Bookmark the loadmastervideos.com site, as RustyFN notes.

Jim H.

Olympus
December 5, 2010, 02:24 PM
Thanks for the info on the videos. I will make sure I go there and check everything out. I'm really not interested in load development. I don't have a chrono or have any interest in working up different loads. I'm primarily interested in reloading bulk ammo for range time. I'd also like to venture into the world of SASS shooting one of these years and it's pretty much impossible to do if you don't reload.

Me and the FIL are pretty tight, so I'm sure he wouldn't care if I had to tweek his dies. He had 3 daughters and he always wanted a son. And he is about as obsessed with guns as I am, so we have a pretty good relationship. And he's like someone else mentioned, he sits down in the winter and cranks out all the ammo that he uses for all year. So it wouldn't be like we'd be swapping dies every other month and each of us having to fiddle with the die settings. But that if that were the case, then that would be something pretty important to take into consideration.

ssgrock3
December 5, 2010, 05:22 PM
dillon square deal, can be found on ebay for less than retail. some dealers also take them in on trade on other gear..ask around. IF you are only loading a single caliber, but want something not so brain numbing then check out the square deal B press. A1 for loading 9mm!

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