Mossberg 100 ATR...any good?


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jwsturr
December 3, 2010, 11:19 PM
Looking to pick up a bolt action 270. I've read and watched a couple of reviews. Mossberg seems to be OK. I read that Mossberg's bolts fall apart?? True? I didn't want to spend too much, 300 or 400 dollars max with optics. It will be for deer/hogs.

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PT1911
December 3, 2010, 11:25 PM
I would opt for the Marlin offerings in a budget bolt gun... They are essentially a no frills Savage that have had very good reviews... In a recent right up, the author of the article took on in 30-06 and with 5 different types of ammo ranging from off the shelf hunting ammo to GMM he shot 5, 5 shot groups with each and showed very impressive results... I believe the worst group of all was still well under 2 inches with some around 3/4 inch.

jmr40
December 3, 2010, 11:27 PM
I don't think there is anything WRONG with them. It is just that for about the same money there are much BETTER rifles. Marlin XL-7, Stevens 200, Weatherby Vanguard come to mind.

There was a lawsuit over bolt handles breaking off and hitting shooters in the face. I don't know the exact reasons why, but Mossberg won that lawsuit.

JDMorris
December 3, 2010, 11:27 PM
No. I will never buy a mossberg rifle. this is just my opinion. get a used 700 or Howa 1500
They are too commercialized and ugly.

Arkansas Paul
December 3, 2010, 11:40 PM
My dad has one in .30-06 and it's fine. It's accurate enough and functions reliable. It's not much to look at, but for the price, I don't feel there's anything wrong with it. If it was up to me, I'd probably go with the Marlin though, or a new Savage Edge. I've been thinking about that one too.

natman
December 4, 2010, 03:37 AM
I don't think there is anything WRONG with them. It is just that for about the same money there are much BETTER rifles. Marlin XL-7, Stevens 200, Weatherby Vanguard come to mind.

I agree. The Mossberg is about what you'd expect for the low price. The problem is that Marlin and Stevens are offering rifles that are better than you'd expect for about the same amount of money. I'd get one of them before I got a Mossberg.

pbrktrt
December 4, 2010, 09:35 AM
The T/C Venture is another lower priced performer.

jpwilly
December 4, 2010, 09:55 AM
The ATR is still a good value but I agree since the intro of the Marlin for $300 the XL7 is a much better value.

Sock Puppet
December 4, 2010, 11:48 AM
The T/C Venture is another lower priced performer.

Typically a bit more expensive, but certainly worth a look. IMO it has a more "substantial" feel than the others (except for perhaps the Howa 1500). Accuracy reports have been very good as well.

Kachok
December 4, 2010, 12:49 PM
OK so I have owned almost every budget brand rifle out there today. Here is what you should expect, most budget rifles shoot good enough for hunting purposes, you won't win any bets with them (except maby the savage) but they will put a bullet through a deers boiler room at 200 yd if you do your part. Problem is that one day you will handle someones X-Bolt, T3 or Model 70 and you will realize what a cheap plastic toy you have. There is a huge difference in materials and build quality. I have fought rust with every budget rifle I have ever owned the steel is just not as good as my model 70, 700 CDL, or T3 which in my experence have never had a spot anywhere. Ergonomics tend to be better on the higher end rifles, X-Bolts and T3s have an exellent feel they are slim and relitivaly light, very easy to carry many miles. A good rifle does not really cost that much more when you consider everything involved. I paid only $408 for my T3 Stainless, $365 for my Remington CDL, and $320 for my Model 70 Super Shadow all new in the box. Keep you eyes open for a good deal on a good rifle you will NEVER regret it.

grtwhthntr
December 4, 2010, 02:54 PM
In your price range ($400 with optics) I would take a very hard look at the Marlin XL-7. I'd rather have the T/C Venture, but you won't get it for $400 with glass.

PT1911
December 4, 2010, 02:57 PM
a friend and I were looking at NEW gun options and attempting to determine what the best yet least expensive setup would be and decided that an XL-7 topped with a Nikon prostaff (comes in right around 500 dollars OTD) just could not be beaten... Just something to think about...

tmccray45
December 4, 2010, 04:04 PM
About 4 years ago, I purchased a Mossberg 100 in .270 cal. It was my first centerfire rifle.

At first, I couldn't get it to group or shoot accurately. After about 50-75 rounds, I found a load (yes, I handload) that will shoot into a 1" circle EVERY time. I do have to let it cool down to the ambient temperature between shots, but once it's there, I can count on it to deliver.

I think that the fact that I was a new shooter had something with my initial trouble, but once I found that sweet spot, I can feel comfortable that my Mossberg will put a 130 gr. bullet right where I want it. I live in a shotgun only part of my state, so I haven't actually taken it into the field, but if I get the chance to hunt with a centerfire, I know which rifle I'll be taking. (Or do I want to take my 7.62x39 bolt action, or the Remington .308, or the 6.5x55?? Well, at least the Mossberg is in the running with the others!)

Rob96
December 4, 2010, 08:06 PM
I have no experience with the Marlins or the Mossbergs but I have no reason to try them. The Savage rifles are incrdibely accurate and give me no reason to search for another rifle. I picked up a Savage Model 11 package deal in 308 (no accutrigger or stock) on clearance at Cabelas for $279. With Remington 150gr Core Lokts the thing shoots .60moa. Can't wait to start handloading for it.

LoonWulf
December 4, 2010, 08:51 PM
I Agree with the rest Marlin or Savage, the ATR felt ruff while i was using it. Personally i think anything more expensive then your average Savage or...(insert 300-500 dollar gun here), is option rather then necessity. Sure if i could afford a whole safe full of Mark 5s or Coopers id probably have that, but your not gonna get much extra in performance over your average budget gun.

Kachok
December 4, 2010, 09:28 PM
If I had to go with a budget gun again the XS7 or Savage 110/Edge are the only choices, much better then the ATR and the 770 IMHO. I still own one of my chepo savages and it still impresses everyone. That said they have the new ATR coming out with the new trigger and different rustproof coating on the steel.

jwsturr
December 4, 2010, 10:22 PM
Stopped today and handled a couple rifles today. No Marlins were available, but I liked the Savage edge. I held a T3, Howa, Weatherby, Ruger 77, and the Remy 700. I don't remember what model Howa and Weatherby, but they were very nice. Getting to close to the $600 mark with optics, though. Ruger was nice, but too much. Didn't like the Remington, and I'm a fan of theirs. The T3's action was very smooth, very nice rifle, price. And the only thing I don't like about the Steven's is the magazine. Off to another place tomorrow to see about a Marlin. I don't know if I'll be able to see a Mossberg. The couple shops around here don't have them in stock. Oh, and then I moved on to the AR's, shotguns, and then a rack of Mosins...I have a sickness...

Eb1
December 4, 2010, 10:52 PM
I would opt for the Marlin XL7.

My XL7 in .25-06 will shoot well under an inch 5 shot groups. Consistently. It will also shoot 3 in the same hole if I do my part. The Marlin costs less, and is a no thrills hunting rifle. I know you asked about the Mossberg, but IMO the Marlin XL7 beats it out for accuracy, and also the trigger is really nice on the Marlin.
The Marlin will also accept Savage aftermarket barrels if you ever think of that.

hometheaterman
December 4, 2010, 10:59 PM
I don't think there is anything WRONG with them. It is just that for about the same money there are much BETTER rifles.You said this perfectly.

IMO the best deal out there is the Savage Model 10 or 110 depending on the caliber Package deals they sell at Walmart. It's got the accu trigger, that's great, as well as a Simmons scope. The scope isn't the best, but it should get you by until you can afford something better. Best of all these are right at $400. $387 at the closest Walmart and $397 at the one up the road. This is a much better rifle in every way than the Savage Edge and it's not much more money.

JDMorris
December 4, 2010, 11:35 PM
the Howa/vanguard will be worth the extra money and they have superior fit and finish to most factory rifles.

hometheaterman
December 4, 2010, 11:52 PM
I read a thread on putting a Savage barrel on a Marlin rifle, but I can't remember if it was on here or another site. It ended up being a lot more to it than just changing the barrels as was expected. I don't remember what he had to do, but I remember he did run into some unexpected issues and said it would have been a lot easier to start with a Savage action if using a Savage barrel.

hometheaterman
December 4, 2010, 11:54 PM
Here we go. Not the thread I was thinking, but these talk about how you have to modify the bolt face.
http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php?topic=29350.0

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1298108

Col. Plink
December 5, 2010, 11:24 AM
the OP asked about the Mossy ATR-100.

I had one in 30'06 that was a great shooter with a cool barrel (sub-MOA) for $310, glass included (a CenterPoint 3-9x40 w/ illuminated mildot reticle).
What's not to love?

hometheaterman
December 5, 2010, 02:52 PM
the OP asked about the Mossy ATR-100.
Which is why we told him that he'd get much more gun for his money if he bought one of the others suggested.

Col. Plink
December 5, 2010, 05:51 PM
How do you define "much more gun for his money"? Did you read my post?

hometheaterman
December 5, 2010, 06:36 PM
Yes I read your post. Just because it's accurate doesn't mean it's anywhere near the same quality as the Savage or Marlin guns that are in the same price range. Just like the Remington 770's. They are pretty much crap when it comes to quality, but they often shoot halfway decent groups. The Mossberg is a huge step up from the 770, but it's no where near the quality of the Marlin or Savage rifles in that price range. I've also never used one with the new trigger, but the old style trigger is horrible compared to the accu trigger on the Savages. That's something else a lot nicer on the Savage, and Marlin has a similar trigger. You also get the ability to change barrels easily and quickly on them, where as not so on the Mossberg. Plus you don't have to worry about a bolt blowing apart in your face. Who knows if those reports really happened or not, or if they were the owners fault or the guns, but it's not a chance I really want to take when I can get something better for similar money anyway.

jmr40
December 5, 2010, 08:02 PM
The Mossberg may shoot as well as anything on the market, for now. These rifles have been around for several years under at least 3 different names. All have failed because of poor long term quality. Mossberg wanted too put their name on a rifle and bought the rights to a gun with a checkered history.

That is what's not to like.

Col. Plink
December 5, 2010, 11:47 PM
The OP asked about a rifle, I happened to have owned one (with surprisingly good results, especially for the price). I can't speak to every other rifle on earth, just the one in question. Take it for what it's worth but it's not conjecture.

Skylerbone
December 6, 2010, 12:39 AM
jw, that sort of budget might be better spent on a used rack. Hashed it out in another thread not long ago dealing specifically with used purchases. Short of "splurging for a T/C Venture at around $430 I don't think you'll find a rifle that meets the criteria for accuracy, safety, durability and good looks at your price point, the Marlin being a potential exception (I've not heard reports on the durability portion as yet).

Here's a pic of my latest $300 used find in 30-06, a Win. Mod. 70 circa 1994ish with what it did on my third three-shot group (I brought 10 rounds to zero the scope and check function).

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=131719&d=1291613170

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=131720&d=1291613170

It's survived nearly a decade, looks great and shoots as well as I do. I'll consider it money well spent though I did ponder the T/C and Savage for a few dollars more. I can't wait to see what this thing does when I find the right load for it.

hometheaterman
December 6, 2010, 01:29 AM
The Savage package at Walmart meets all those criteria and is right at $400 with a scope. Everyone I've shot or seen has shot sub moa groups, they have an amazing factory triggers, and are just super reliable safe guns. If it wasn't for the Savage and the Marlin I'd say look on the used rack too as the other options in that price range just aren't so hot. However, with those two, I see no reason to look at used unless you just want an older wood stocked rifle or something.

Eb1
December 6, 2010, 01:55 AM
Well my Marlin XL7 cost me $249.00. I could have put a Banner Scope on it for $80.00. That would be better glass, and a better gun for about the same as your ATR combo.

I choose to put a Bushnell 4200 on the XL7, so my scope cost more than the rifle, and I promise it is probably the most accurate rifle for $250 I have ever shot or seen. The rifle is a winner. Could have just been pure luck, but I don't think so. I reload for all my guns, except shotguns and this rifle. Shooting Winchester Supreme 115 grain BT, which is the Combined Technology bullet, this XL7 will honestly shoot 3 shots into 1 hole. I have done it many times, and I can post a 200 yard target of 10 shots that you can cover with a quarter. I can do this with this rifle and round combination repeatedly. So for now it would be a waste of time to reload for this gun.

So, yes, I think the XL7 is a better buy for the money compared to the Mosseberg ATR. It isn't pretty, it isn't fancy, but it shoots true, and that is all that matters. It also has an adjustable trigger that you can set down to 2 lbs. I am not sure about the ATR.


So for $250 and a $300 scope. I am at $550 for my .25-06 Marlin XL7. Well add $50 for the Talley Light Weight Mounts also. So $600.00 for the gun, but the gun shot so well with my Bushnell 3200 I thought I'd splurge a little, and get a 3x9 for it. After all it is a .25-06. Putting the 1.5-4.5x32 on it for the first few hunts because it is all I had available at the time, and didn't have money for a new scope, but once I saw the guns ability to shoot so true. I didn't mind putting a scope on the gun that cost more than the rifle.

natman
December 6, 2010, 03:48 AM
How do you define "much more gun for his money"? Did you read my post?
Yes, I read your post. Nobody said the Mossberg is inaccurate. It's just not as well made as the Savage and Marlin. The Mossberg used to be a rifle called the Raptor, which was really crudely made. Then Charter Arms bought the design when Raptor deservedly went out of business. Charter improved it a bit, then Mossberg bought it when Charter dropped it. Not a proud lineage. The Mossberg version is better made than either of its previous incarnations, but Savage and Marlin have raised the bar higher than the Mossberg can reach.

foghornl
December 6, 2010, 07:58 AM
I have ATR-100 in .30-06, 2004 vintage. It will do its part when you do yours. I am able to consistantly get sub-2" @ 100 yds with most cheap commercial SP ammo. With GOOD ammo and steadier hands than mine, will do under 0.75".

Skylerbone
December 6, 2010, 10:47 AM
Eb, care to let us in on who made that $250 deal on the Marlin? I'd buy a pair at that price. Even Bud's is listing them at $314 and then there's the transfer fee, when they're in stock round here they want $350 or more. Sounds like you won the bargain hunters olympics.

grtwhthntr
December 6, 2010, 10:52 AM
My buddy owns a gun shop here in MI and I'm pretty sure he's selling the Marlins for $279. Might have been $289, but I know it was well under $300. Any place charging $350 is ripping you off unless it's the scope package.

Eb1
December 6, 2010, 11:42 AM
@Skylerbone

I bought it at Academy about a year and a half ago. I had no idea that they XL7 had gone up so much. Regular back then was $279, but they had a special for $249.00 that day.

hometheaterman
December 6, 2010, 12:02 PM
Yep, I've seen the onsale quite a cheap in Academy sales flyers. I'd have bought one except for the fact that we don't have an Academny nearby. They also had two Steven's 200's I'd have loved to bought for like $179 or something like that a while back. They have some great deals.

Our local gun shop sells the Marlin for $309, or that's the price listed on it, but they are often fairly high on stuff.

jr45
December 6, 2010, 01:33 PM
I also have the ATR in 30.06 that I purchased new in 2007.
Pros: Pretty good rifle for the money (I think I paid $225 out the door). Always works and fairly accurate.
Cons: Trigger pull seems a little gritty and the swivel mount tabs are weak and can break (mine did).

hboy35
December 6, 2010, 01:58 PM
I have the .243 Mossberg that I traded for awhile back. It still has the Mossberg scope on it (inexpensive 3-9x). I sighted it in with Hornady and it shoots around a 2 inch group in my unsteady hands. Someone more skilled would likely do better.

All that aside, what I wanted it for was to introduce my sons to deer hunting this year. As you can see from the picture (if I managed to attach it), the rifle performed just fine. My son doesn't really care what name is pressed into the barrel, just that he got his first deer with it--and I really don't care either, and I am a certified "gun enthusiast."

Bottom line--get what you want, or can afford--and get it out there and enjoy the experience.

Skylerbone
December 6, 2010, 11:03 PM
I wasn't trying to call anyone out on the Marlin price, I was just shocked that Bud's would be that high (don't have an Acadamy near me, never even seen one). Still tempting at the sub $325 price point, anyone know if New Haven has shut down yet? (Marlin was nabbed by the same clowns running Remington and planned to move the operation, last I heard, possibly to KY or even overseas).

Hboy, congrats to your son on his first deer and to you for getting him to that milestone.

trax306
December 21, 2010, 09:24 PM
I concur with other comments about alternatives to the Mossberg ATR in .270. Just tried to sight in a nephew's Christmas gift (not from me). Managed to get 1.75 in. group with 130 gr hunting ammo. Not satisfying for someone with an accuracy fetish. Oh well, hope the kid likes it and doesn't wound too many.

jpwilly
December 22, 2010, 12:26 AM
I concur with other comments about alternatives to the Mossberg ATR in .270. Just tried to sight in a nephew's Christmas gift (not from me). Managed to get 1.75 in. group with 130 gr hunting ammo. Not satisfying for someone with an accuracy fetish. Oh well, hope the kid likes it and doesn't wound too many.

1.75" is as good or better than many popular lever 30-30 rifles will shoot. Plus what ammo did you try 1 or more??? I wouldn't count your 1 subjective test netting 1.75" groups as a bad thing. Maybe you tried the wrong ammo. Maybe that really is the best your ATR will shoot...still a decent deer rifle. Just don't take it to a rifle match.

grtwhthntr
December 22, 2010, 09:30 AM
I was thinking the same thing. While those groups aren't worth bragging about, you certainly won't be missing or wounding any deer as a result of them.

Suomi54
January 22, 2011, 10:30 PM
I bought a long-action .30-'06 Mossberg ATR a couple of years ago and have been very satisfied. I put a Banner 4 X 12 on it and shoot 1.5" groups at 100 yards, with 180 grain ammo. I recently bought a box of Remington 220 grainers and launched a few downrange. Definitely more oomph in the recoil, but the group was still fairly tight. Don't figure on using them for anything smaller than moose or elk, though. Overall, I'm quite happy with the ATR.

Lloyd Smale
January 23, 2011, 06:48 AM
I bought 3 of the atrs when my buddys gunshop was going out of business. I got them cheap. Two 243s for the grandsons and an 06 for a freinds daughter. The only one i put serious time behind was the 06 and its a tack driver. Probably the best shooting 06 ive ever owned. Between myself and her theres probably at least 500 rounds though it now and its taken at least 10 deer. Not the prettiest gun around and not the best fit and finished gun around but a good serviceable rifle for not much cash.

Col. Plink
January 23, 2011, 04:27 PM
Right, so we've established that its performance is as good as a Marlin that has to be found on a screamin' deal to be in the same price range...

Skylerbone
January 23, 2011, 04:56 PM
It's been a month and a half roughly since the OP and we're still arguing.

Accuracy and performance are two different things. A Silverado can travel 100mph but at that speed I would hardly consider its performance the equal of say the Audi A6 at the same speed. An off road comparo might tip the balance elsewhere. Accuracy without control means little and if it breaks, even less.

I still like the Marlin or T/C for an inexpensive rifle, a solid used Win. or Rem. if budget is tight. If the OP doesn't mind the feel of the Mossberg there seems enough conviction to think it will suit his purpose.

ElPasoWrangler
April 7, 2011, 11:49 AM
I love my Mossberg and I own a Stevens too. I like the Mossy better in some ways and the Stevens in others. At 69 I no longer believe in status symbols but in tools that work. Mine works for me.

BrocLuno
April 7, 2011, 02:27 PM
The only downside I have noted has been the Savage wrist - I don't like the feel of the stock. The Mossberg, on the other hand felt very nice coming to shoulder. If I needed a reasonably priced new gun, I'd surely consider it.

There's a whole discussion on the boards over at TexasHunting or something on how to clean-up the trigger and get the pull you want. There's also info on improving the bolt. Mossberg uses the cross-pin to center the firing pin. There was some problem with early cross pins being to soft which lead to bolt failures. That was worked out quite a while back. So as long as it's a new production rifle, I'd say go for it :)

Lloyd Smale
April 8, 2011, 07:23 AM
I have zero marlin bolts but have at least a dozen marlin lever guns and have owned at least 20 others in my life. I will have to say this to the guys claiming the marlins quality control is so much better, I have seen more crappy guns come out of marlin in the last 5 years or so then about any other manufacture. Marlins quality control has taken a big dive lately. Maybe there bolt guns are better, I dont know, like i said i dont own one. But i kind of chuckle at guys that think they have some kind of a higher quality gun because they picked a marlin over a mossberg or savage. I recently bought a savage edge in .243 for the last of my grandsons that needed a rifle. Its a decent gun for the money but im not seeing where its one bit better then the mossbergs i bought for the other kids. One of my grandkids has a howa in 243 that i picked up used. Now that gun just feels like a higher quality gun then all the others mentioned and arent much more money.

30-06shooter
April 19, 2011, 06:32 PM
was only one- i have a atr 100, its very reliable for the price, its accurate, feeds well,. not for shooting 200 a day, but for hunting or some target practice its fine

jpwilly
April 19, 2011, 10:55 PM
I already chimed in on post #8 but would like to add that given the newer Mossberg ATR has an adjustable trigger, fluted barrel, and is available in a marine coat finish I might just pick up another one "if the price is right".

PS here's a picture of my Mossy ATR 30-06 and it will shoot 1" with the right ammo.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/DSC_0227.jpg

Kachok
April 20, 2011, 02:33 AM
The old ones made me gag a little :barf: but the new ones look pretty slick. I would try one if the price was right. I am kinna small and don't like bulky plastic stocks + the finnish reminded me of my REM 700 ADL which SUCKED! I just hope the fixed that whole exploding bolt issue. I still don't think they will outshoot a good old savage or XS7 but who knows they might like my handloads.

Col. Plink
April 20, 2011, 10:35 AM
I had one in 30'06 that was definititely sub-MOA with a cool barrel. A boatload of recoil with that synthetic stock.

jpwilly
April 20, 2011, 12:13 PM
I just hope the fixed that whole exploding bolt issue.

FYI: They have now weld the bolt body to the bolt handle assembly they use to braize them...

There always seems to be a lot of Mossberg ATR bashing in threads. Seems that everyone has forgotten about Remington bolt handles falling off and mulitple wrongful death lawsuits for a saftey that sometimes isn't a saftey.

I cannot be sure but there was a bolt incident that went to court as far as I can tell Cotterill v. O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc. centered around wheter or not the assembly pin was broken during operation or possibly even removed and by Cotterill earlier during disassembly of the bolt. If you haven't read about this please be sure you do so at the link provided below. You can keep your opinion if you like but be sure you check your facts before spreading opinions as fact.

Certainly a missing pin or broken one could have dire consequences same for a seperation of the bolt handle from the bolt body.

If you haven't read about the incident for yourself please read pages 2-4 of 16 at this link:

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/florida/flmdce/8:2007cv00262/190822/185/

Kachok
April 20, 2011, 12:24 PM
I don't buy Remingtons any more either :D Tikkas, Savages and the new Model 70 are my cup of tea. MUCH better quality control, I never had the 1st glitch with any of those rifles. Remington used to be the best thing out there, but have fallen off bigtime (owned 4 of them over the years). The only remmy I still own is an oldschool 552 Speedmaster.

Col. Plink
April 20, 2011, 12:41 PM
+1 on the fact checking, a little goes a long way (and there has been some misleading information posted as fact many times about this rifle).

I'd buy another, and may in .243

Kachok
April 20, 2011, 01:31 PM
I don't know if that whole story had a single shread of truth to it, I am sure there is some moron out there that blew up a Browning in his face too. I won't judge the whole company off of one questionable incident. I did not buy one because the finnish was really cheap the stock felt worse then the budget savages. I am sure they can be real shooters, almost all modern rifles will handle one or two factory rounds really well.

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