Your Issued Firearm (Military and LE)


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InkEd
December 4, 2010, 01:28 AM
I have a couple questions for the former/active military and law enforcement members of the board.

First Question: What was your issued service rifle (LEOs can add/substitute their shotgun) and pistol?

Second Question: Was there a different gun(s) you would have preferred to carry if you had been a choice?

Feel free to mention the branch/department and when you performed your duties. Thank you for service.

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Jorg Nysgerrig
December 4, 2010, 01:43 AM
1. M16A1, M60, no sidearm.
2. At the time? Nope.

tangomike706
December 4, 2010, 03:15 AM
USN M16a2/ m9 (Topside sentry only) also MK 67 Torpedo Tubes and VLS systems

LEO: Sig p228/Sig P229 (backup 239)


At the Times I carried firearms in the Navy , I was happy with what I was issued . not that there was much choice in the matter . a Fast Attack subs small arms locker isn't very large

as a LEO, I'm very happy with what we carried (Sig 228) and what we have now, the Sig 229 (40 S&W) and likewise for my backup Sig p239 (also in 40 s&W)

dinky Dau Don
December 4, 2010, 04:18 AM
US Army-'56 - '65...M1 Garand...M1 Carbine...Colt 1911...Winchester 1897 12ga.Trench gun...Model 70 Winchester with a National Match bull barrel equipped with a ten power Unertl scope...M14...also carried my personel Browning Hi-Power in Southeast Asia. Thankfully they all did the job, I'm still here!

JohnBiltz
December 4, 2010, 04:40 AM
In the military: M16A1 and A2, M60, shotgun (I forget the nomenclature but its the really old one) 1911 and M9
I never wanted to carry anything else in their place with the exception of the really old shotgun with a modern one but I would not have minded a sidearm at times.

Narwhal
December 4, 2010, 04:56 AM
1. H&K USP 40 compact LEM trigger
2. I would prefer to carry an M&P 40, but in the end they really aren't that different from a user's standpoint. I don't like the magazine release or trigger on the USP. In addition the M&P has better grip and bore axis ergonomics. It is also safer to disassemble because the first step to get it apart cannot be done with a round in the chamber or a magazine inserted. If you try to strip a USP without clearing it you can accidentally fire it (yes, of course you do have to disregard a lot of basic firearms rule to get to this point, but still). Finally, carrying a USA made firearm just makes sense for a USA agency.

Jonty
December 4, 2010, 04:57 AM
FN FAL, Steyr AUG A1, no side arm.

Would have prefered to have kept the FAL

mljdeckard
December 4, 2010, 07:13 AM
I was trained on an A1 in 1991. When I got to Germany, I was made assistant armorer, and the first thing I did was assign myself a 1911A1 pistol. In the spring of 1992, we turned in out 83 1911s for new-in-cosmoline Beretta M-9s.

The A1 I trained with was falling apart. I guess the weapons in training units really shouldn't count. I liked the M-9 at the time, because it was brand new, pretty, functioned perfectly, and was easy to keep clean.

I am currently issued an M-16A2, (One of the few I have actually seen in-country,) with a CCO sight. (I still haven't really gotten used to it yet.) I also have an M-9, and I am able to stow my rifle and carry my pistol from day to day. This one is junk. It's seriously worn out, I have to keep the safety cavity well-lubed to make sure it doesn't freeze up on me. Also, if I let it go dry, the hammer won't always drop when it is supposed to. I talked to the armorer about it, he talked me into keeping it, because I know how to keep it running, if he traded it to someone else, they might not. Some of our guys got M-11s.

There are plenty of threads about why people love or hate the Beretta, I'll just say that I can do the job with it just fine. My main problem isn't the gun, it's the kind of ammo we use. Of course there are a dozen other pistols I would rather carry, but I also know what I tell my soldiers when they tell me they don't like something. "Liking it isn't part of the job description."

ChristopherG
December 4, 2010, 07:23 AM
1) Issued Rifle: Olympic arms M4gery
Issued Handgun: Glock .40 (choice of model; mine's a 35)

2) After probation and qualification with them, I exercised the option to use my own guns.
Personal Rifle: BCM 16" mid-length upper/Troy TRX rail/
LMT lower
Personal sidearm: Wilson Combat CQB 1911

Also, issued an 870--with an ugly plastic orange stock, i.e., designated Less Lethal. Not glamorous, but a nice tool to have in the kit.

I work for the Sheriff of a largely rural county.

Rubber_Duck
December 4, 2010, 07:23 AM
M4A1 assigned, but given M16A2s and M9s for training/qualification. I don't like the M16A2, it's too long and heavy for the caliber it fires IMO; the M4 is more appropriately sized for the 5.56mm. I absolutely hate the M9. I don't like the sights, I the trigger blows, I don't like how it feels or how it points. And all the M9 mags I've used have been garbage. If I could carry any handgun I wanted, I would probably take a Sig P226. I am happy with the M4, nothing I would change about it and it functions just fine with proper care (which I'm a stickler for anyways). My M4 was issued with an Aimpoint in an absolute co-witness mount which I don't care for. I would prefer lower 1/3rd co-witness. I wish I was allowed to change to a LaRue lower 1/3rd co-witness mount but the absolute co-witness works fine anyways. For some reason I have a PAQ-4C on my M4 and I've never used it. I'm glad I'm deploying with the M4 though (and M9, though I will probably never use either).

If there was one thing I would change about the M4 is I would put a Geisselle SSA in it since that is what I have in my civvy AR-15 and it is a phenomenal trigger. Nothing wrong with the mil-spec trigger but I spoiled myself with the Geisselle and now that is all I want.

d4xycrq
December 4, 2010, 07:33 AM
Boomer submarines back in my day were stocked with M-14s, 1911A1s, and Pump shotguns, mostly 870s. We were happy with them.

Ray
USS George Washington Carver, SSBN 656 (G)

luigi
December 4, 2010, 07:40 AM
First Question: What was your issued service rifle

.75 Caliber Brown Bess ( I was in a loooong time ago)

loadedround
December 4, 2010, 10:06 AM
1961-1962 in beautiful downtown SE Asia...M2 Carbine and a 1911A1. Saw a lot of personal owned Mdl 19 and 29's with 4'' barrel. Also saw my first S&W Mdl 39 carried by a chopper pilot. ASA Lives!

Tinpig
December 4, 2010, 10:16 AM
M14 then M16.

In RVN I trusted my life to both and both worked as intended.

I'm here now, so no complaints.

Tinpig

Quiet
December 4, 2010, 10:43 AM
US Army: FN M-16A2, FN M-249, no sidearm
I prefered the M-249.

rayman
December 4, 2010, 10:49 AM
Mini 14 GB

S&W model 10

Remington 870

Def-Tec L8 37mm launcher

Can you guess what line of work?

_N4Z_
December 4, 2010, 11:06 AM
US Army
M16A1 and M203. Lt. had a 1911, but side arms were not issued to enlisted in my experience. My section also had a M60.

InkEd
December 4, 2010, 11:38 AM
Rayman,

I'm guessing you're a corrections officer.

Chindo18Z
December 4, 2010, 11:42 AM
First assignment: M1911A1 and an M19 60mm Mortar Bipod
I would have preferred an M16A1 or CAR-15 (that most everyone else carried)

Current assignment: M1911A1 and an M4A1
No complaints...don't want or need anything different.

rayman
December 4, 2010, 11:45 AM
Yup.
Preferred weapon? M249 SAW or MK 19 grenade launcher on a mount in my guard tower on the yard.

JN01
December 4, 2010, 12:00 PM
USAF Security Police/LE Specialist. Issued a S&W Model 15. Loved the gun but since we were required to use enemic, low velocity FMJ ammo, I would have preferred a 1911.

sfc_mark
December 4, 2010, 12:00 PM
1) Rifle: M16A1, M60, M16A2, M4; Sidearm: M9
2) M4 was by choice (insistence) when the armorer tried to issue me an A2. I love the M9 (when not previously abused), which is why I bought my 92FS. I would have preferred better ammo for the M9, but of course that wasn't an option for the issue weapon.

DFW1911
December 4, 2010, 12:09 PM
USN: M-16 variant and M-9. M-16 turned in for an M-14. Yes, I had to get permission :).

Convinced a Marine Gunny armorer who was a friend of mine to revitalize an M-14, which he did and which I used vs the M-16.

I know I'll probably get some incoming, but the M-16 platform just was not as dependable as the M-14 design. One malfunction in X number is too many. "If you keep it clean it will do its job." Sure. But that's not always an option, is it?

I never, ever had an issue with that M-14, regardless of how much sand and crap I managed to get in it. However, I did lose mag capacity, some close-quarters flexibility (compare M-14 to the HK-MP5 flavors and you'll see what I mean), and gained ammo weight. Oh, not to mention the loudness.

But when the M-14 barks it bites...hard. Semi auto only for me. Full auto wasn't as efficient or effective.

I loved / love my M-9.

Anti and Counter Terrorism. No, I was not SEAL.

Stay safe,
DFW1911

gunnutery
December 4, 2010, 12:41 PM
ISSUED:S&W 410 .40
Remington 870
RRA LAR-15

PREFERRED:
Glock 22
Ruger Mini 14

I was first issued the S&W 410 and after finishing the academy, I bought my own Glock 22. The 410 never failed, I just wanted the simpler design/manipulation of the Glock.

I don't mind the RRA, but since some of us qualified on them, I also qualified with my Mini14 in case when I came on duty the two RRA were already taken/in use. Eventually I'd like to upgrade to the Socom 16.

RONSERESURPLUS
December 4, 2010, 12:56 PM
Hello all Ron L here

My Issied weapons were all in the Military but 1 stint as a Deputy sheffif in the later 70's!

Navy we had the 1911A1 in 45ACP< we were issuied it for quarterdeck and roving patrol watches, in foriegn ports we had M-14 Rifles in 7.62X51 and Remy 870 shotguns in 12 ga! On a few occasions we were assigned to a M-60 Machine gun or a M-2 but that was clear cases of threat and I didn't do those duties often!

As a Depouty sheffif we were issued a Model 10 Smith and Wesson or a Colt Police Positive revolver both in 38 SPCL, ff duty we could carry a Snub nose revolver most carried a shorter model 10 2" revolver ad a Model 36 snub, most were not issued that but bought on thier own! I broke Policy and carried a Browning High power in 9MM as I liked the 13 rounds and off duty use no one really checked anyhow and I never had to use it in the line of duty?

SharpsDressedMan
December 4, 2010, 01:05 PM
Military 1971-1977: 14 (briefly), M16A1, 1911A1. Police 1974-1996: S&W M19, Colt Government .45

Harley Quinn
December 4, 2010, 01:13 PM
Military USMC, Garand and 45 colt... In 63 I shot the M 14 also...

LEO Colt Police Positve 38spl 6" re-issue, S&W 15-3 38spl 4" double action only...Model 37, 12 gage shotgun...

45Fan
December 4, 2010, 01:21 PM
M16A2, M9, M2, Mossberg 590. Depending on where I was, and what the particular detail I was on. Generally it was just my M16, but when I was attached with one of the line companies (I was Motor T Mech in a tank Batalion) it was not uncommon for the CO to want everyone to be issued an M9. When with my parent company, and filling my primary role, I had my Ma Duce:D, mounted on a truck. Before being promoted to Corperal, I had the pleasure of standing guard many of nights at ammo dumps, and usually was issued a 12 guage. I loved my M2, but the shotgun range was always a blast too. Over all, I couldnt complain about any of the weapons I was issued, although I wouldnt have been upset if they still issued the 1911A1s instead of the Berettas, but that is more personal prefference than any functional issues with the M9.

Gottahaveone
December 4, 2010, 02:31 PM
USAF LE-K9, late 70's-early 80's.

Issued----XM-177 and S&W Mod 10.

Preferred---I was perfectly happy with the XM-177 but I often exchanged my privately owned Mod 13 for the Mod 10. Side by side they were identical, and the .357 125gr JHP filled me with MUCH more confidence than the issued .38spl 130gr FMJ did. I would have been in a world of trouble if I'd ever used it and had gotten caught but at least I would have been around to BE in that trouble.

rscalzo
December 4, 2010, 03:16 PM
Went through a slew. Up until recently, there was a somewhat flexible policy on handguns.

Start: Any 357/38 DA in six inch. Bought a M28-2 . Changed to a M19 in chrome, then M66, all 6" barrell. Then the specs allowed a M686 in 4" which I bought. then we talked the municipality into providing M659 if we supplied them, which we did to the entire department. The policy opened up a bit to eventually allow 6906, then the third gen 5906, 6906, 4006 and 4013. with the demise of the S&W SA thired gen. line, we switched to the Glock 23 for all duty use for new hires for the past four years or so. The older S&W 2nd. and 3rd. gen are still in service for a few of the older guys but they are disappearing as they retire.

Off duty was any DA 38/357/380/9mm or 40S&W after approval and qualification.

Available for use are AR15/MP5/Rem. 870 and a Steyr SSG 308 for qualified personnel.

therewolf
December 4, 2010, 03:31 PM
Back before the Earth's crust cooled, we used M14s, Colt 1911 model 70s, and Remington 870s on my destroyer in the Navy.

Generally we used the M14s and .45s for open deck watches in foreign ports.
Quarterdeck watches generally used .45s.

We also had M60s. The gunner's mates kept small arms lockers in a couple different areas around the ship, and cleaned and maintained the weapons for the security watch-standers.
We only were issued small arms at the beginning of a watch or during a security drill or breach.

IIRC, armed watch personnel had to qualify semi-annually.

I liked the duty carry choices. Still do.

-eaux-
December 4, 2010, 03:50 PM
LEO: was issued a Mossburg 500 riot shotgun, had to provide sidearm.
Carried either my Colt M1991A1 or Ruger P90, depending uopn my mood.

elgin111
December 4, 2010, 04:37 PM
originally issued - a long time ago - S&W model 10. We could carry a .357 as long as we had .38 ammo in it. So, I swapped to a 681 (still have it).

Now? FN FNP-40. Not too bad. Personally owned 870 for the shotgun.

Chief is evaluating patrol rifles now...

swiftak
December 4, 2010, 04:52 PM
M16A1
winchester 1200
colt 1911

Mags
December 4, 2010, 05:35 PM
USAF 2001-Present
Primary Weapon M500
Secondary M9

For certain jobs I have been issued an M16A2, I am still serving and have never been issued an M4.

Dragger
December 4, 2010, 05:46 PM
LEO

Issued: Glock 22 .40S&W Mossberg 590

Preferred: Glock 21 .45ACP Remington 870

TeamPrecisionIT
December 4, 2010, 06:25 PM
Navy 01-05

Issued: Depending on what we were doing obviously, but it was either a Mossberg 500/590, M9, M14 and M4.

If given a choice: Stay with the 500/590's, for a sidearm change to the SW M&P45 with thumb safety, and would stick with the M4, but instead of the M14 would have liked an M700 precision set up for a bigger bore rifle (compared to 5.56)

Damian

aka108
December 4, 2010, 06:32 PM
Had a US Rifle Cal 30 M1 (Garand) for 6 or 7 mos. Later on we had some instruction and practice sessions with the Thompson SMG, the M1 Carbine and some just about worn out 1911 A1's. This was all with USN.

Lincoln4
December 4, 2010, 08:55 PM
LEO Glock 21
AR-15

Hurt Lunchbox
December 4, 2010, 09:00 PM
US Army: M-16A1 or M-60...Always had a M1911...
USBP: HK P2000 .40 S&W

jbrown50
December 4, 2010, 09:03 PM
Military: M16A2 & S&W M15-2

Police: Glock19 & Remington 870

franconialocal
December 4, 2010, 09:04 PM
Currently (Franconia NH Police)

-Sig P220 .45 Auto w. night sights
-Springfield EMP backup
-Mossberg 500 shotty
-Colt AR-15 A2 w. Sure Fire wep. light

JoeSlomo
December 4, 2010, 09:08 PM
What was your issued service rifle (LEOs can add/substitute their shotgun) and pistol?

Army issue rifles: CAR-15, M-4, M16A2

I favored the M-4 due to the light weight, compact size, rail system, and the full auto capability (though rarely used).

Army "issue" pistol: The M-9, imo, is a P.O.S. which I loathed. I would have replaced it with either a 1911, or a 9mm glock / XD / M&P / CZ in a heart beat.

jscott
December 4, 2010, 09:12 PM
LE Carry-At different times I have been issued and mandated to carry a Beretta 92FS 9mm and then a Beretta 96D Brigadier .40. Switching agencies, I was issued my choice of a Glock 22 or 23, but we were given the option of carrying just about anything we wanted that we personally owned and qualified with. As for long rifles, I have been issued an M-4 carbine (tri-burst version even for patrol) and Remington 870 police model.

Military- Currently still in the military. We are issued M-4 carbines and M9's (Beretta 9mm). As the unit armorer, I also take care of all of the M249's, M240's, M203's, NVG's, red dots, etc.

Golan
December 4, 2010, 10:23 PM
Browning FN MK III + Galil 5.56

It did the job. I think the BHP MKIII is one of the best ergonomically designed handguns.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Police#Weapons_and_Equipment

mexica
December 4, 2010, 10:47 PM
M16 and M9, separate times. I'm due to go back with an M4 and M9, hell I wish I could take my 1911...

J_McLeod
December 4, 2010, 10:50 PM
Army: 2002-Present

1. Carried M16, M4, and M249 at various times.

2. I was somewhat satisfied with the M4 and M249, but would have prefered a lot of others. Don't like the M9 either. Too big for it's cartridge. Ideal would be a folding stock AK, or pistol caliber carbine. I was a heavy truck driver attached to Artillery battalion, so I wanted something small. The Army had a great concept with the .30 Carbine, should have modernized and kept it going.

hank327
December 4, 2010, 11:23 PM
US Army 1978-82 Infantry 11C20

I was issued either an M16A1 or a 1911A1. Never both at the same time. It depended on what my job in the Weapons Platoon was which weapon I was issued. The gunner and assistant gunner on the 81mm mortar were issued the .45s and everyone else had rifles.
I never knew anyone in the infantry companies I served in to be issued both a rifle and a pistol at the same time.

rscalzo
December 4, 2010, 11:36 PM
Currently (Franconia NH Police)

And a can of spray deicer. :D

SpamHandler
December 5, 2010, 12:14 AM
M16A1 or MG3 (when we trained with the Germans)

Would have preferred a G3 given the operating theater.

MTMilitiaman
December 5, 2010, 02:01 AM
M16A4 w/RCO, Grip Pod, 3-battery Surefire white light, and PEQ-2
M249 SAW with spare short barrel, quad-rail forend, Grip Pod, PEQ-2, and this collapsible M4-style stock that brought the finished weapon weight to 19 pounds, unloaded.

I felt confident in my ability to hit with either, but actually would have preferred several other options. For anything where the M16 with the RCO would have been useful, I would have preferred my M1A with a low powered variable. The M4s were very popular with squad leaders (equipped with M203s) and turret gunners, but weren't general issue, and I would have preferred an AK, or really any number of other modern carbines. The M249 was decent, but too heavy for what it does. It may be belt fed, but it is still a poodle shooter, and there is no place in this world for any 20 pound poodle shooter. I would have rather carried the extra weight of any of the later, more advanced M60 or M240 variants and had 7.62mm firepower than carried a 19 pound 5.56mm--esp since the 200 round boxes were loud, awkward, and clumsy, and most often discarded in favor of 100-round "nut sacks." I would have also rather had one of the newer, upgraded short-barreled PKMs, again, because it provides belt-fed 7.62mm firepower in a package with comparable weight to the SAW, or the RPK/RPD, because they provided comparable firepower in a package with less weight.

M9s were reserved for NCOs and higher. Doc Brown had one too.

rugerdude
December 5, 2010, 11:53 AM
^ the collapsible SAW stocks are pretty useless when used in conjunction with the SDO that a lot of SAWs have now.

USMC Recon: Currently issued an M4A1 with an ACOG, Aimpoint micro T1 on a larue offset mount (we used to have M68 aimpoints but couldn't use them and the ACOG together) and a PEQ-16 light/laser.

Also issued an M9A1 (M9 with a rail)

I did get an M-14 Designated Marksman Rifle for a few months, which I loved. Accurate, light (compared to the other sniper rifles it's a featherweight), and powerful. Considering the engagement distances common here in Afghanistan it is a much more appropriate weapon.

I also borrowed a guy's suppressed M40A5 for a couple of patrols.

jdh
December 5, 2010, 12:51 PM
FBOP Retired

After 92ish
Ruger P89DAO
M16A1 Carbine (Selector switch blocked for SA only)
Remington 870

Pre 92ish
S&W 38 Spec revolver
M1 Carbine
Remington 870

hcso617
December 5, 2010, 01:41 PM
U.S. Marines 1978-85 M-16A1, 1911

LEO 1985-present S&W 686, Colt 1911, Glock 21, Colt 1911
Started with the 686, great revolver my dept. allowed us to carry our personal firearm, if it was a semi-auto we had to go to "Auto-Pistol School" in order to carry it. When Glock became the rage in the early 90's I bought a model 21, I carried if for 6 months, didn't like it. I sold it and went back to my Colt 1911 which I've been carrying ever since. I'm the last dinosaur, my dept issues the Glock 22, I'm the only on left with a 1911. It's older then half of my squad. As a matter of fact my flashlights are older then most of my squad.

We are issued the S&W M&P151, the old standby 870, and I have TAC-14 Semi-Automatic Pepperball gun.

Dups
December 5, 2010, 02:50 PM
In Afghanistan, i carried a M9... (Beretta 92, 9mm basically +p+)

i would have MUCH rather carried a glock or a 1911, in NON 9mm... but i just dont' like 9mm, nothing against it.

Ala Dan
December 5, 2010, 02:53 PM
Military = M14, NO sidearm

Law Enforcement = None Issued, Personal West German SIG-SAUER .45 caliber P220A

napierm005
December 5, 2010, 04:15 PM
Active Army
Personal weapons: M4 w/ M68 CCO, M9
Crew Serves: M249, M240B, M2
M4 is fine, but the cco's are garbage, the Acog sight is best for long shots, and the Eotech is the best for room clearing. The 240B is a workhorse, the 249 is fine for foot patrols, and I think the M2 should be retired for a 50 cal. built in this century. If I had the choice, I would rather carry a battle rifle (M14, Fal, Cetme etc.) and being a glock, sig, and cz owner, I could think up an infinite number of better pistols than the M9. But who could dare doubt the US Army in it's infinite wisdom?

happygeek
December 5, 2010, 06:45 PM
M4A1 with Elcan SpecterDR 1X/4X; never been issued a sidearm but got myself a 92FS for practice. I also discovered it's surprisingly comfortable for CC.

I would love to own an Elcan SpecterDR 1.5X/6X, but last I checked they were going for close to 2 grand, which is just a tad out of my price range.

Erik
December 5, 2010, 08:00 PM
1. G17, G22, HK USPc(40), Sig 229(40), Rem 870, Steyr AUG, Colt M4.
2. Yes.

strambo
December 5, 2010, 10:04 PM
Army 1992-Present: M16A2, CAR-15, M60, M4...M9. would rather have my Sig P226 as a pistol, mainly because I think the slide mounted safety is lame and can be a PITA.

As far as the carbines, at each point in time that I had them, they were the best in our arsenal. My M4's on each tour (1 ea. theater) had an optic (ACOG or Aimpoint) and surefire light and an IR laser (PEQ-4, followed by PEQ 15).

hinton03
December 5, 2010, 10:29 PM
When I came in the Army in 1981 as an infantryman I was issued the 1911; later when I went to flight school I was issues a S&W Model 10 from the 1960's era I believe. Actually I really liked both firearms and now own 3 1911's and several smith 38's, including a 1968 Model 10.

I finished my time in the service with the M92; I have no issues with the M92 I just don't want to own one.

RetDep310
December 5, 2010, 11:06 PM
U.S. Army, 1972-1974 M-16A1

LEO, 1982-2008....started out, we had to provide our own weapon. First carried a S&W Mod 66, then a Mod 686. Later on issued Sig P226 in 9mm. We stayed with the Sigs from then out until my retirement. Would have preferred the P220 in .45.

Shotgun: Remington pumps, then a Mossberg 590. Really loved that one.

Patrol Rifles: Got issued one a couple of years before retiring. It was a
M-16 A1, fully auto !!! Sweet gun, but it was over 30 years
old. Probably the same one I had in the Army. Right before
I left, they issued Rock River M-4's.

h20man
December 5, 2010, 11:12 PM
LEO. Carry a Glock 23 in .40cal. I would prefer to carry a M&P40.

Cmiller21b
January 13, 2011, 01:00 AM
Afghanistan 2010 I carried an M16A2, then M-4 with an ACOG, and an M-9 that I took to small arms and had the trigger lightened, sights brightened, Crimson Trace handgrips and a new barrel and spring installed. I liked the M-4/M-9 combo. They can keep that M-16 junk. Too big to get in and out of MRAPs over there.

Doru
January 13, 2011, 01:18 AM
I was issued a Colt 1911 as my on duty handgun.....Luckily I have the option of carrying a G17 on duty.

All of our patrol cars hold a Colt Commando, 40 mil blue nose launcher, and 870P that's is set up for breaching.

SWAT is issued a Springfield 1911 Operator (soon to be switched out for a Colt 1911) and no, the Glock is not an option there. SWAT is also issued a select fire M4.

Drew

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357mag.
January 13, 2011, 01:28 AM
Army 89-92 issued m-16.Had I ever been in combat I would have paid to be able to carry anything in 30 caliber.

avs11054
January 13, 2011, 01:46 AM
issued glock 22, remington 870, and colt 6920.

added surefire x300 to the glock, side saddle and mag tube extension to the 870, and magpul moe fore grip and surefire super tac to the AR

SouthronBoy
January 13, 2011, 02:32 AM
I was an Army infantry officer in the mid-80s. As a rifle platoon leader, I had an M16A1. I always said I would have taken one of our extra M203s if the SHTF. I carried a 1911 when I was assigned to be payroll officer or something like that. I never knew anyone who carried a rifle and a handgun. As a staff wienie and a 4.2 mortar platoon leader, I carried a 1911. I left the service right before they issued M16A2s and M9s.

What I always wanted to carry was an M3 grease gun, but they weren't authorized in line companies.

LawScholar
January 13, 2011, 02:35 AM
I am dazzled by all the military/LEO service on display in those last three pages.

With all my humility, thank you all for your service.

BullfrogKen
January 13, 2011, 02:44 AM
M16A2 rifle.

After infantry school I had responsibilities for crew-served guns at one time or another, and sometimes several at the same time. So that would be the:
M60E3;
M2 .50 cal;
Mk19;
M9 when I held the gunner billet

Other times I checked out one of the M249s out of the armory for patrols; an M203 once in a while.


I don't personally own an AR variant now, but I was satisfied with it then. I'd have preferred a 1911 over the M9. I'd have even settled for the Hi Power. Other than that, we made do with what we had and focused being proficient rather than pine over their weaknesses. Everything has a weakness of one sort or another. We just learned what they were and marched forward.

owlhoot
January 13, 2011, 03:03 AM
I was initially issued the Garand M1 during basic. Later the M2 carbine. I preferred the Garand for shooting but the carbine for carrying.

killchain
January 13, 2011, 03:08 AM
An M4 carbine with an Aimpoint, and then an EOTech.

TheGewehrGuy
January 13, 2011, 03:36 AM
I can speak for my dad and grandpa's on this...

Dad: Has had a Glock in .40 since he has been a cop. Never issued a rifle or shotgun, the police department doesn't think he needs one.

Grandpa 1: .38 special colt LE (not sure on model), then a Glock in .40 sw.

Grandpa 2: S&W .357 (Not sure on model), and just before he retired from the State Patrol, they issued him a Berreta 92, which he never liked because he's a 'big' caliber, 1911 .45 or revolver guy.

kmcintosh78
January 13, 2011, 10:28 AM
LEO. Glock 22 40sw. Bushy AR15. Remington Shotgun, can't remember the model.
Would have liked to carry something smaller as a second, but the Department limited it to Glock 40sw models.
Mil. Bushy M16.

FLAvalanche
January 13, 2011, 11:23 AM
1. I was issued an M16A2 and later as a section leader a Beretta M9 pistol. Our vehicles also had coax mounted M2 .50 cal and MK19 grenade launchers.

2. The A2 was just too long to be employed by the crewchief in the turret or the driver if it was ever necessary. If the crew chief was a section leader he had a pistol but if you were in range of the pistol you were already screwed and it was time to run the bad guys over. I wish we were issued something between a rifle and pistol, maybe a submachine gun of some sort. But the fact remains that we travelled in groups of at least3 and each vehicle carried at least a dozen infantry so our personal weapons were never needed.

Rexster
January 13, 2011, 11:43 AM
LE here.

1. None and none. AR15 and Mini-14 are the authorized rifles, Remington 870 and Benelli M1 and M2 are the authorized shotguns, and seven models of double-stack .40 autos are the authorized primary duty handguns. We buy our own. Most LEOs in the USA buy their own firearms!

2. Not really; the choices are adequate. The mandated rifle training and quals can be difficult to schedule, making it problematic to keep up one's certification.

I am prohibited from discussing these subjects in social media, while being identifiable as a member of my PD.

skoro
January 13, 2011, 11:54 AM
First Question: What was your issued service rifle (LEOs can add/substitute their shotgun) and pistol?

rifle: M16a1

pistol: M1911a1


Second Question: Was there a different gun(s) you would have preferred to carry if you had been a choice?

I was OK with the M16, but would have preferred the M14.

Al Thompson
January 13, 2011, 12:00 PM
Started my military (Army) career with an M16E1 built by GM Hydra-matic. Ran fine. Second was an M60 LMG. Issued 1911s, M16A1s, M203s, transitioned to M16A2s, carried a M9 in Iraq and had access to M4s when we went out of the wire.

For specific instances, I would have rather carried something else, but generally everything worked OK. What I did see was that as weapons wore slap out, the Army was slow to replace them. I. E., in Germany in the late '80's, our M60s were starting to pop rivets and break. Go to the range, lose an M60 on average. Talking to the 4th ID guys in Baghdad, looked like the SAWs were wearing out as well. When we first got them (1986), the SAW ran like a sewing machine.

As for 1911s, again in the late '80's, they were having accuracy problems. Got to remember, the last time the Army purchased 1911A1s was in 1945.

EmGeeGeorge
January 13, 2011, 03:17 PM
In Navy...

M9, M500, M-16 and variants, M60, M203, M2...

Post-Navy...

was issued a Sig 229 in .40... x 26 taser, spray...

wishin
January 13, 2011, 03:25 PM
Army. Initially it was the M-1 Garand. Then I became a tanker and we were issued .45 submachine guns and personal .45 1911's. later, as an officer in Vietnam the .45 pistol, although we were also issued M16's. Somewhere in between, the M-14 was issued, but I never actually carried one. We were required to qualify with them all in one of our line units though.

Furncliff
January 13, 2011, 07:03 PM
Basic training USAF, qualified with the M1 Carbine. That's the last time I even saw a weapon that wasn't attached to an aircraft.:)

Hanzerik
January 13, 2011, 08:37 PM
USAF 1988-Present
M-16A1
M-15
M-60
M-203
M-9
M-16A2
GAU/GUU-5
M-4

wideym
January 13, 2011, 08:52 PM
M16A1 and M60 in basic. Carried an M3 Greasegun and 1911 for the first six months after basic, then went to M16A2, sometimes with M203, M249, although my primary weapon was the TOW II anti tank missle system.

Several years later my unit at Ft. Campbell tansitioned to M4s, M2 .50cals, and MK19s, and lastly in the Nat.Guard I was a M240B gunner.

I prefered the 240B, because nothing beats a belt fed weapon.

thralldad
January 13, 2011, 09:08 PM
Last deployment:

M4 and Beretta

We were able to get some M-14 EBRs which rocked in Afghanistan!

MedWheeler
January 14, 2011, 12:16 AM
It was quite a while back, so these are rarely carried by memebers of the profession.
Hired by a police department in December of 1987. Issue sidearm was the Smith and Wesson Model 67, which is a stainless revolver in 38 S&W Special. Duty load was the Winchester 95-grain STHP in +P. I thought, as did others, that this way way too light a bullet. The department did not issue a BU/OD weapon, but permitted them by way of not having any regulations against them. I bought (the day I was hired) a Charter Arms Undercover 38 from the uniform shop I was taken to for fitting for such carry.
In June of 1990, I went to a bigger agency in a neighboring city. This department issued the Ruger P-85, a DA/SA semi-automatic pistol in 9x19mm caliber. Duty ammunition was the Federal 115-grain JHP load. Backup carry was permitted, and off-duty carry was required when inside the city. My Undercover 38 was not among the guns on the "approved" list, so I bought a Walther PPK/S for such carry. I do not remember the load I carried.

Oh, the shotguns: There was one in each car (we were not issued either shotguns or vehicles.) The first department had the Mossberg 500 with a seven-round magazine, and five more on a buttstock sleeve. Three of the sleeve rounds were slugs; the remaining were 00 buck. The second agency used the Remington 870 with five rounds of 00 buck. There were no spare rounds offered.

MudPuppy
January 14, 2011, 02:05 AM
Issued an M16A1 in the mid 80s, was enamored at the time with AKs. Having a troublesome rifle in basic didn't help.

I didn't really have a problem with the rifles issued after boot camp, but was happy to have the 203.

We also generally thought our 1911s were rattletraps and the M9s were so sexy, but not yet available to our division (I think Marines and maybe the 82nd had them, along with the A2s).

Interestingly, we thought about the same of the M60 and wanted those new slick SAWs.

It's interesting that there's so many with the ARs, M9s, and SAWs that yearn for the old "junk" we were saddled with--the grass is always greener I guess. :)

(For the record, I know personally have and AR and 1911--but no M60 at the moment!)

fragout
January 14, 2011, 07:38 AM
U.S. Army Infantry 1988 to present

Just about everything issued in that time frame, along with a few that were not exactly issued.

I personally like the M4 as the general issued weapon it is today....Army wide.

It is light, compact, and handy for use by most of the Army, and serves the purpose of having something for self defense. Most of the personnel in an Army are comprised of combat support, and combat service support type of units......and their primary function is to keep the "beans and bullets" flowing in an orderly fashion. Without the hard work these types of units provide, the end results of any combat operations would resemble that of a huge cluster "mess"...so to speak. This ...combined with various types of combat support units who generally focus on using other types of crew served weapons systems, make a weapon such as the M4 a very decent "have on you at all times" kinda weapon from my experience.

With that being said, I personally prefer 7.62x51mm rifles, and the M14 to be more specific. The list of the reasons as to why I prefer it would be rather long. My choice is based on past deployments, and to some extent, the deployment I am on currently.

11B

Fleet
January 14, 2011, 08:10 AM
1911A1, Mossberg 500, M16A2 and 19" or 21" torpedo tubes. The tubes were the most useful.

vetts1911
January 14, 2011, 08:37 AM
Navy 1984 to 2004

1984 to 1996 M1911 and M14

1996 to 2004 Sig228 and M14

JShirley
January 14, 2011, 08:56 AM
Doru,

Where were/are you that you were issued a 1911, but allowed to carry a Glock? Usually those items would be reversed...:p

As infantry, I trained on an FN M16A4 in basic, late '01. Many malfunctions, especially when crawling in sand. I hated that rifle. I named her Emily.

On post at Fort Lewis, as a mortar gunner, I was issued an M9 until we had enough M4s. When I was reactivated and sent to Afghanistan, I also used an M4.

I like M4s, and a 16" short-stocked AR15 carbine is besides my bed now.

John

waterhouse
January 14, 2011, 11:14 AM
When I was in Border Patrol we were issued an HK P2000 in .40.

Austin PD we are required to buy our own, and it must be a S&W M&P .40.

MisterMike
January 14, 2011, 12:03 PM
I can't give you precise models, but I was issued at various times: S&W 38 revolver, Beretta M9, M-16A1, GAU-5, M60, M79 and M203.

janedoedad
January 14, 2011, 01:48 PM
U.S. Navy:

Shipboard: 1911 and 2 magazines with 5 rounds each, not inserted in weapon.
Remington 870 SG with 5 or 10 rounds not inserted in magazine
M-14M (Semi-Automatic) 2 magazines 20 rounds each, not inserted in weapon.

Shore Duty: Generic .38 revolver with empty chamber under hammer and 2 speedloaders.

It has been a few years. . . .

I would have happily traded the revolver for a 1911

unterlegend
January 14, 2011, 01:57 PM
1. M16A4 w/ Trijicon ACOG and PEQ-16
M1014 Benelli (civilian M4 supra I think) for breaching
Barretta M9 pistol (we left them in the armory for most of the deployment)
2. I would have liked to have an M4 or an M16A2 (weight issues carrying an extra weapon, ammo, and detonation materials) and I would have liked iron sights.
I liked my M1014 (the only problem was our DoD breaching rounds couldn't cycle right)

I am USMC infantry and on deployment I was a breacher.

TexasBill
January 14, 2011, 02:39 PM
When I was in Border Patrol we were issued an HK P2000 in .40.

Austin PD we are required to buy our own, and it must be a S&W M&P .40.

Bummer! Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, Austin PD used to issue some sweet weapons, like the 3.5-inch-barreled S&W Model 27 in nickel with .38 Special Super Vel 110-grain JHPs. Heaven help you if you got caught with the .357 Magnum Super Vels - we used to reload privately purchased SV .38s with the Magnum powder load. Issue gear also included Jordan-style holsters made by Cowboy Ellis.

Of course, this was some years ago back when they also had Winchester Model 12 shotguns and a few 1928 Thompsons.

Travis County used S&W Model 28s with the 4-inch barrel. You furnished your own rig.

OD and plain-clothes had whatever they qualified with. Mostly .38s and .357s (Model 19s with the 2.5-inch barrel were popular). At TCSO, there were some .45s but APD was mostly wheelguns. Back then, your choices in a double-action pistol were the S&W M39 or a Walther P-38 or one of the little .380s.

Also had Mace and a 24-inch baton.

I had a nice Done Hume rig with Jordan-style holster (still my favorite). I later switched to a Colt Python.

cliffjr
January 14, 2011, 02:58 PM
When I first entered the Navy I carried an M-14, 870, and 1911 .45. I ended with an M-16, 500 and an M-9. I was much happier with the early years.

postalnut25
January 14, 2011, 04:27 PM
Active Duty USMC- was issued an M9. I was aircrew, what was I supposed to do with a rifle? So I didn't have one.

Currently deployed National Guard- M9. I have an M16A4 with me, but it's of no use. It's been locked up in a connex since I got here. I get a FN303 occasionally inside work. It's fun, too.

I would perfer a smaller frame pistol. The M9 is fine, but it's a little on the large size for small hands. A M&P, Glock or the like would be nice. No use for a Sig, they are still too big and I think they are over rated. Not a big 1911 fan either.

bogie
January 14, 2011, 04:30 PM
I was issued a Harrington & Richardson...

SmokeySam81
January 14, 2011, 04:36 PM
USMC Infantry, Iraq.

at various times I carried: M16a4, m16a4 w/203, m249, m4, and the m9.
Most of the time I spent with the M16a4, with an ARCOG on top, and various other gizmos. I only carried an m9 for a few months, they don't feel grunts deserve them very often.

Wanted: m14 or ar10 variant, preferably with piston instead of gas impingement. I like accuracy and power. For a pistol I would have loved an HK usp in .45, or a 1911, for mostly the same reasons as the rifles.

41magsnub
January 14, 2011, 04:45 PM
Army 94-97

M16A2 (mix of colt and FN) sometimes with an M203

Carried an M9 once on a special detail to the field to train reservists in a classroom setting and in the field. Had to carry a weapon but talked the armorer into taking pity on me.

Was an M60 gunner for a year but transitioned to a M249 halfway through

The mechanics had M3 grease guns but were replaced with M9's in 1996.

VBVAGUY
January 14, 2011, 08:25 PM
US Army:

M16A2 with M203 grenade launcher, M60 with tripod and spare barrel.

goon
January 14, 2011, 08:32 PM
M-16A2's were the only ones I was officially issued. I loved the 240B - was able to trigger single shots and from the bipod I was surgical with one!
My favorite acquaintance - a M2HB dated 1921!

d2wing
January 14, 2011, 10:28 PM
M-14, M-16, M-60, assigned to .50 cal on occassion.

bobbarker
January 14, 2011, 11:00 PM
Through several different duty stations it changed, but my first Permanent duty station:

Security Forces-
M16A2, M203 Grenade Launcher, M9 Service Pistol, M1014 Shotgun.

Final Duty Station, Camp Pendleton, Infantry
M16A4, M203 Grenade Launcher

United States Marine Corps 2004-2009

Jesse Heywood
January 15, 2011, 12:00 AM
Small town cop in the early 70s. We were issued one piece of equipment, a badge. One car for all three shifts. If it broke we were SOL. We could carry any gun we wanted to, as long as we thought it would do the job.

essayons21
January 15, 2011, 02:14 AM
M4 w/ M68. Kept it clean and it always fired when needed.

Favorite and primary weapon was my M2HB. Ran like a top no matter what, even when coated inside and out with a thick sand-sludge. When moisture from the marshes between two rivers interacts with a sandstorm coming out of the desert it makes for some nasty stuff falling from the sky.

shotgunjoel
January 15, 2011, 02:32 AM
M-16A2's were the only ones I was officially issued. I loved the 240B - was able to trigger single shots and from the bipod I was surgical with one!
My favorite acquaintance - a M2HB dated 1921!
What, that's first year of production! The HB wasn't even designed until 1933. Crazy.

mljdeckard
January 15, 2011, 02:42 AM
Just goes to illustrate. The army uses go/no go to categorize just about everything.

rfnut
January 15, 2011, 02:54 AM
USMC 75-79

M16A1 - 1911A1

Would have preferred a Rem. 700 with heavy barrel. Never really liked the AR style rifle. Qualified Ok with it, but would have preferred a scoped rifle. But that might be because i was an airwinger and didn't shoot it much.

Risky
January 15, 2011, 03:22 AM
Last time around, (and I do mean last :neener:) I had an M4 with an ACOG, standard light Marine get-up. Used it with a single point sling and one of those grip pods... I loved that setup. Loved the ACOG... possibly the smartest optic ever designed. With all of that, sling set right, that grip at just the right distance... I couldn't have asked for a better setup.

Never had to fire it and I am thankful to this day :D

Of course we had the gamut of the usual. M9's all over, left the 249's at base, 240's on trucks (had no M2s). Most interesting was switching from the 240 on the highways to standing on an MRE box on top of the turret stand with one of the Benelli shotguns when we went into the city. It was at the point that IEDs were of no concern... just RKG3s, and if you went into the city regularly it was only a matter of time. We had decided the shotguns were the best chance at hitting a guy if you managed to see him in time. Of course no one ever did.

CH47gunner
January 15, 2011, 05:27 AM
Fort Ord CA. - Basic Training - M14
Fort Rucker Ala. - Aircraft Maintenance/Doorgunners school - 2 M60's
RVN - First five weeks pulling bunker/perimeter guard - M14, M79, & M60
RVN - Helicopter Crewman (CH47D Chinooks) - 2 M60 D's (aviation model)
S&W Model 10-5 w/ 4" barrel
M16A1 - zeroed and never removed from arms room again
freshly stolen/traded Chinese AK47 w/ folding stock.

Bruce

My work station for 11 months w/ the mandatory pig.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/ch47gunner/vacapicsmontana/ch47gunner.jpg

S&W Model 10-5 w/ 4" barrel not the original but close enuf
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/ch47gunner/model10/DSC_0776-1.jpg

Grunt Medic TXARNG
January 15, 2011, 05:42 AM
Issued Service Rifles - M16A2 carried as a Marine, early M4 as a paratrooper, M4 MWS with M68 CCO as a National Guardsman deployed to Iraq.

The only Service Pistol I've ever been issued was the M9 - carried both the 'before' and 'after' slide safety mod versions.

I like the AR platform just fine - but I would like to see us go to 6.8 SPC or similar. And I have a 3x amber horseshoe reticle ACOG on my competition AR - MUCH better than the red chevron issued model.

The best full sized pistol I've owned was an HK USP .45 - given my druthers I would select it instead of the M9.

ironhead7544
January 15, 2011, 07:15 AM
Border Patrol in the 80ties: S&W M66 .357 Magnum, Remington 760 Carbine in .308, Remington 870 in 12 ga.

Gladius
January 15, 2011, 06:00 PM
Me (LE): S&W 645.

Dad (US Army): M1 Thompson, M1 Carbine, M3 "Grease Gun", 1911. Also carried a "confiscated" CZ27 .32 auto.

Dad (LE): All S&W's: .44 Special Hand Ejector, M10, M28, M19, M60 "Chief's Special". Also a Stevens 12-gauge double barrel with bakelite stocks (his "street howitzer"). All privately purchased (except the hand ejector, which he borrowed from a friend before purchasing the M10).

Rogue6
January 24, 2011, 12:54 AM
M4 with Aimpoint M68 CCO, Surefire Scout taclight, PEQ-15 laser, I think a LaRue BIS (Back-up Iron Sight), and a three-point sling with the elastic in the shoulder part. Also a Beretta M9 with a Safariland thigh rig that I didn't like, so I bought Fobus kydex roto-holsters - a thigh rig to wear with with IBA and a paddle for in the FOB.

USAF_Vet
January 24, 2011, 04:33 PM
First issue rifle was M-16A2, not bad but a bit long for climbing in and out of small places when servicing aircraft on an active runway. Later was issued the M-4 and an M-9.
I like the M-4, and will one day purchase an M-4gery of my own. I detested the M-9, mainly because the mags the USAF (and apparently other services as well) were destable pieces of junk. I would have much rather carried an M1911.

gdcpony
January 24, 2011, 06:10 PM
USAF- (Security Specialist)
M-60 (that I loved a ton more than the 240)
M-9 ( I detest that thing to this day. Why can't we get 1911's??????)
M-16A2 (I learned to love it)
GAU-15 (An A-1 version of the M-4 to describe it as good as I can)


USMC- (Radar Repairman, Technical Controller Chief, Wire Chief, Comm Maint Chief)
M-16A2 (Still liked it)
M-9 (Still hate it)
M-4 (The only complaint is how much crap they put on it till it weighs as much as a varmint gun)

I have played with allot of others but theses are the ones I have/had weapons cards for. Ironically (probably because of the jobs I did) I got allot more training in the AF on more weapons than the Corps. I mean no one in the Corps had ever even heard of an M-79 till we got to Al Asad, nor have I gotten to shoot a 107 when the AF hooked me up with a 82A-1 shoot. Weird, but funny. When I comment on it I am told it is a result of going from an AF grunt to a USMC techie!

As a Security Guard I carried a 1911 like the military should.

OngoingFreedom
January 24, 2011, 06:32 PM
M1911A1, serial number 723012, rack number 46. I also signed out from the armory when we had an alert or when we had an exercise an M16A1 for the tank, but that was only carried when the loader dismounted for an OP. I got out before I had to qualify with the M9 and never saw the M16A2 or M4.

I liked the .45 but it was really inaccurate. When you shook it you could hear the barrel rattle.

US Army M1 tank crewmember, 1984-1988

CathyGo
January 24, 2011, 06:42 PM
I carry an M4 and SHOULD have an M9 but our company ran out of them. The M4 works fine for our needs. I have an Eotech holographic sight on mine and love it. An M16 would be a PITA to get in and out of vehicles with. I'm fine with an M9 but the Army needs to maintain them or buy some new ones.

There are a lot of M9's out there that should be doing paperweight duty but instead have been issued to someone. Trigger is too heavy for accurate work and the grip is too large for many people with small hands. Never had a malfunction with one but have seen many "problem" M9s that messed up shot after shot.

It's time for the Army to get a new sidearm or at least start replacing the oldest M9s.

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