Any .41 Magnum Fans?


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Lead Farmer
December 11, 2010, 08:49 AM
I love my Redhawk 7.5" .41 Magnum with a ported barrel. Since this picture, I went back to the wood grips.

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Iggy
December 11, 2010, 10:21 AM
I carried this one as a duty sidearm for 13 years.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Obsidian.jpg?t=1292080631
We were in some squabbles but it always got me home.

I looked for one of these that I could afford for about 40 years and finally found one in a pawn shop unfired except at the factory.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/P1010001.jpg?t=1292080775

zxcvbob
December 11, 2010, 10:34 AM
I just received my FIL's Ruger Blackhawk .41 that he used to carry with him when he went to the farm up on the mountain. (He died of lung cancer 5 years ago) It's kind of beat up and scratched from sliding around in the back or the floorboard of his pickup. But it locks up tight and smooth, there's no rust, and the bore is in good shape. It has character. :)

I nearly had a heart attack when I priced ammo for it; it costs even more than .45 Colt.

100 pieces of new Remington brass and a 210 grain Lee bullet mold just showed up yesterday from Natchezss. I'm gonna casts some bullets for it today and maybe load a few. We're in the middle of a blizzard tho, so I won't get to shoot it for a while.

captain awesome
December 11, 2010, 10:36 AM
beautiful smith.

i have had the bug for sometime. Here will likely be my next gun purchase;

http://ruger.com/products/newModelSuperBlackhawkDE/specSheets/0863.html

1911Tuner
December 11, 2010, 10:40 AM
It's my personal favorite, and...IMHO...the .41 Magnum is the perfect revolver cartridge, and there's really no need to hot-rod it unless you use it for hunting. If you don't need romp'em & stomp'em, it just don't get any better than a 210 grain cast bullet and 9 grains of Unique. 7.5-8 grains duplicates the old "Police Load" and provides the advertised 970 fps...unlike many lots of the Remington and Winchester offerings...which generally missed it by quite a bit. I clocked a couple lots that never broke 850 in my M58.

Sadly, it is pretty much a handload proposition due to cost and lack of options, but most of us don't consider that to be a drawback.


Bob...Try the RCBS 210 mold. You'll like it.

Starter52
December 11, 2010, 10:59 AM
I am a big fan of the .41 magnum, so much so that I hardly ever bring a .44 to the range anymore. I shoot a S&W Model 57 and Model 58. Handloading is the only way to go. I mostly load Berry's plated .41 bullet. I go through thousands of them each year.

MMCSRET
December 11, 2010, 11:01 AM
It is my "Magnum" revolver cartridge. I don't do much with 44 Mag, and don't own a 454 any longer. I do shoot quite a few 357's. But, the 41 is my go to, serious magnum. I have a 57-1, a RNMBH, and a 10" bull barrel Contender. All are serious performers from mild to wild.

captain awesome
December 11, 2010, 11:14 AM
I mostly load Berry's plated .41 bullet.
Starter52,
How is your accuracy with those? I tried some Berry's plated hollow points in 44 and didn't have much luck.

HOWARD J
December 11, 2010, 11:26 AM
At one time I had 2 41's
A SS Smith with 1 1/2" barrel--nice to shoot --easy on your hand.
A blued Smith with a 6" barrel--with the factory grip it was murder on my hand.
All of us were shooting the Redhawk in 44 mag.
I got one of those " an offer I could not refuse" bye 41's.

420Stainless
December 11, 2010, 11:45 AM
Got a 6" Model 57 that I flat out love. Been loading MBC Trooper bullets over Unique and Titegroup. Haven't shot any full out jacketed loads in it yet, but the 2400 and 296 is waiting for some.

zxcvbob
December 11, 2010, 11:59 AM
So this is a "1000-ish fps with a heavy bullet" type of magnum, not "let's see if I can top 1500" magnum. The former is my favorite type of load for my .45 Colt Bisley-Blackhawk. I start flinching when I shoot more than a handful of compressed loads of W296 at a time, even in a .357 (what a wimp.) Of course the checkered grips on the .45 and .357 could be part of that... :rolleyes:

22-rimfire
December 11, 2010, 12:47 PM
The 41 mag is my preferred and favorite "big bore". No 44's in my house. There are still a couple I would like to eventually get.

Walkalong
December 11, 2010, 12:50 PM
I like mine. :)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=106799&d=1254961263

ACP230
December 11, 2010, 06:48 PM
I have several Smiths and two Ruger Redhawks in .41.
One of the Redhawks is stainless and one is blued. The blued one has a 5.5 inch barrel.

One of the Smiths is a 657 with an eight and three eighths inch barrel. It has a fine trigger and does not approve of missing.

The .41 has kept my interest since the first magazine article I read about it in the early 1960s.

JohnD13
December 11, 2010, 07:20 PM
A .41 Blackhawk was my second handgun purchase. I haven't found a reason to buy a .44 handgun because for me the .41 mag. can do everything I need it to do. Now if I could just find one of the Marlin .41 mag. 1894 carbines I'd be really happy.

jimmyraythomason
December 11, 2010, 07:50 PM
I bought a S&W Model 57-1 with a 4'' barrel from Wal-Mart for $260. It was extremely accurate as well as extremely expensive to shoot. Fifty rounds of 210 JHP or JSP cost $32 back then. I traded it off for something a little cheaper to feed. One of my biggest trade regrets.

Oyeboten
December 11, 2010, 08:56 PM
No image possible at the moment..but, I have an early S & W Model 58 I dearly love, which I got a few months ago after wanting one for a long time.


Only tried it out once, and the 40 odd year old tattered box of Federal 210 Grain Soft Point Bullets were clocking 1300 FPS through the Chronograph.


Recoil and Report were 'Healthy', and, it is a joy in every way.

I Plan to send off for some Brass and try re-loading for it.

Got an older LYMAN Mold for casting a 210 grain Flat Point Boolit, so that part's done.


Nice thing about .41 Magnum, it really IS .41 Caliber.


.44 Mag is really only .429 Caliber...but, you all know that, and, untill recently, I did not.

Confederate
December 11, 2010, 10:24 PM
Forty-ones only make sense if you're using an N-frame revolver. The .44 is technically a better deer hunter, and the .357 is a better manstopper (w/125gr JHPs). But the .44 is harder on N-frames. If one has a Redhawk, the gun is a bit heavier and is plenty strong. Why would anyone want a .41?

The whole idea was to create a gun that could hit like a .44, but deliver better ballistics than a .357. The question is, did it? Well, no. It may have come close to the .44, but who cares? And it didn't come close to beating out the .357 for defensive purposes.

So all-in-all, for the people who wanted .44s but weren't able to get them, or for handloaders who didn't care which caliber they ended up with, yeah, the .41 was a winner. Was it a bad idea? Probably not, because it has a following. But it really didn't accomplish anything that wasn't already here. N-frame S&Ws can shoot light loads for self defense and heavier ones for hunting, whether it's a .44 or .41.

45crittergitter
December 23, 2010, 05:08 PM
The .44 is technically a better deer hunter, and the .357 is a better manstopper (w/125gr JHPs). But the .44 is harder on N-frames. If one has a Redhawk, the gun is a bit heavier and is plenty strong. Why would anyone want a .41?

I disagree. I've seen no evidence that the .44 is a better "hunter," or that the .357 is a better "manstopper." If 125 JHPs in a .357 impress you, try 170 JHPs at 1600 fps in a .41. Yes, the .44 and .357 are more popular, and rightly so for the masses. As to why anyone would want a .41, try less recoil, more velocity, and flatter trajectory, while producing comparable energy and penetration. For me, though, it's because I like something a bit different, that everyone else doesn't have. In fact, I keep buying them...

Oyeboten
December 23, 2010, 05:19 PM
When I was trying to review Ballistics and FPS and overall everything, of the .357 Magnum, the .44 Magnum, and, the .41 Magnum...I felt most interested in the .41.


Took me some years to get one, and, I am mighty glad I did.

It is a joy...and will be a lot of fun to re-load for, also.


Recoil is completely agreeable to me, and, I had never thought I would like stronger recoils, but, somehow, just seems easy to get along with and easy enough to get back on Target promptly, and alright with me, now that I tried it and found out what it is like.


Not that I will never own and enjoy .357 Magnum, or, .44 Magnum some day...but, .41 seemed the most appealing to my taste so I took the plunge and am happy with it.

JoelSteinbach
December 23, 2010, 05:38 PM
These are two of my favorites

Walkalong
December 23, 2010, 05:38 PM
If one has a Redhawk, the gun is a bit heavier and is plenty strong. Why would anyone want a .41?Two things

1. I have a .44 Redhawk as well. (And that Astra ;))

2. If you don't know why, I can't explain why. :)

bannockburn
December 23, 2010, 06:32 PM
Years ago I had two .41 Magnums, a Model 58 and a 4" Model 57. The Model 57 had a an action job done to it and had one of the nicest DA triggers pulls I have ever experienced on a S&W revolver. Unforunately due to financial constraints I had to sell both of them. I think this next time around I will look for a 6" Model 57.

Rexster
December 23, 2010, 07:00 PM
Iggy, my Model 58 is far more battered than yours! Of course, it belonged to San Antonio PD, as an issued sixgun, before I bought it and then used it as my duty sixgun from 1985 to 1990 or 1991, so it had plenty of opportunity to acquire character marks before I acquired it, as well as after. I also briefly owned a Model 657 and Redhawk, both .41, too.

I finally had to admit to myself I have K/L-frame-sized hands, not N-frame-size, and not Redhawk size. I kept the old 58, and the others eventually went away. I retain a fondness for the cartridge.

I very nearly bought a .41 Magnum Freedom Arms Model 97 from a local dealer a couple of years ago. It sat in his case for many, many months, but when I finally decided I could afford it, and went to start a layaway, I found it had gone out the door the day before.

orionengnr
December 23, 2010, 07:26 PM
A year ago, I owned two .41 Mag M57s in 4 and 6-inch barrel lengths, as well as three .45 LC M25s. Financial considerations have dictated that these days, I have one each 4" M57 and M25.

The .41 Mag is the nearly the perfect revolver cartridge for me. (I say "nearly" because I can't decide which I enjoy more, the .41 Mag or the .45 LC.) I'll figure it out one day--until I do, I give thanks that I can own both. Since I handload, ammo for each is affordable.

I've owned .44s, but they are long gone. I own three .357 (two K and one N-frame), but shoot and carry the .41/.45LC N-frames far more frequently. The .357s may be gone one day too.

sw282
December 23, 2010, 11:33 PM
Like Goldilocks said in "Three Bears" story, "Not too hot. Not too cold. Just right" So is the 41 mag. l own 357,44,41. l prefer shooting the 41 over the others.
The 41 is the 16 Gauge of pistol caibers.

ralphtaff
January 6, 2011, 10:36 PM
i have a .41 used it for 38 years would not have any thing else. the recovery time is faster then the .38,.357,.45, or the .44 mag. my shooting on the tactacal range sure showed me what for so the .41 is the winner. i could sure use some data on the 195 grain cast bullet. the new books do not have it in them.

W.E.G.
January 6, 2011, 11:12 PM
For my 41st birthday (a long time ago now)

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Blackhawk41.jpg

FredT
January 6, 2011, 11:49 PM
Forty-ones only make sense if you're using an N-frame revolver. The .44 is technically a better deer hunter, and the .357 is a better manstopper (w/125gr JHPs). But the .44 is harder on N-frames. If one has a Redhawk, the gun is a bit heavier and is plenty strong. Why would anyone want a .41?

The whole idea was to create a gun that could hit like a .44, but deliver better ballistics than a .357. The question is, did it? Well, no. It may have come close to the .44, but who cares? And it didn't come close to beating out the .357 for defensive purposes.

So all-in-all, for the people who wanted .44s but weren't able to get them, or for handloaders who didn't care which caliber they ended up with, yeah, the .41 was a winner. Was it a bad idea? Probably not, because it has a following. But it really didn't accomplish anything that wasn't already here. N-frame S&Ws can shoot light loads for self defense and heavier ones for hunting, whether it's a .44 or .41.
Learned something new tonight. I did not know that the .357 Mag is a better man stopper than the .41 Magnum. It is a good thing that I still have Dad's fine stainless Security Six.

I am still gonna keep my stainless 7 1/2 inch .41 Redhawk, the 6 inch S&W 57 and the extremely accurate .41 cal. 4 5/8 three screw Blackhawk.

I do have to confess that the 14 inch .41 Mag TC barrel became a .41 GNR II.

Nice site here!

Tomcat47
January 7, 2011, 12:46 AM
Love This Caliber.....!

S&W Model 57
Desert Eagle...Auto ... Fun Fun Fun
Thompson Contender Super 14

Still want to buy a Marlin Lever Action in .41 Mag.....:evil:

I seen a ballistics test against .44 Mag and the .41 had more penetration than the .44 mag. which comes in perfect in hunting enviroment.

41 Mag
January 7, 2011, 05:58 AM
I have had one for going on 25+ years now, in fact it was the very first handgun I purchased. It was a beautiful 3 screw flat top which I held on to until I found the Redhawk I swapped it for.

Since then I have shot every bullet weight I could get my hands on, and while I do admit to having 2 - .357's a 44 and a 454, the 41 does it all just as good for anything I am going to shoot.

As for the pre-mentioned not as good as, I cannot say this has been the case I have found. Using standard handloads, I have found it is easily as good or better in most cases than the lighter or heavier calibers. Using the 200gr Remington SJHP, over a mid velocity load of .296, I have not found myself feeling a bit underpowered.

With the 170's as mentioned if that don't stop the BG then you need something way bigger, and bumping up to the 250gr cast, it penetrates like a bunker buster. This said it does it with a very easily manageable recoil, when compared to a similar load from other calibers.

Hunt480
January 7, 2011, 08:24 PM
I have the 41,44,480,475LB & 500S&W. I still like the 41 the best. It may be the most accurate of all. I been carrying the 41 for a woodsgun for 20 years and still do.

Onty
January 8, 2011, 06:39 PM
If you want to shoot your gun and have a it in very useful calibre, there is no gun IMHO that has optimum balance of power, recoil and gun weight as 41 Magnum in Blackhawk or S&W 57/657 without underlug. I personaly have Bisley with 7,5 barrel and like it more than 357, 44 or 45. If you are silhouette shooter, 41 Magnum is the top choice. Excluding 4 inch and shorter 38/357 as predominantly self defence revolvers, any sturdy 357 revolver with 6 inch barrel is basically the same weight as 6-6,5 inch Blackhawk or 57/657. As an outdoor gun, 357 is the best when loaded with 180 gr bullet and full load using slow burning powder. This is formidable combination, but where 357-180 stops, similar bullet weight and velocity in 41 is just a fairly moderate load. When I go on the range, I like to have the load that is powerful enough, yet not punishing for hands, and found that 200-220 gr at 1100-1200 fps is just that. And as a result, I can shoot all day long without fatigue. I tried 250 gr from 44 at same velocity, and found that after less than 100 rounds I feel bit tired with tingling in my hands.

Somebody might point to plinking loads from 41 Magnum? Not my cup of tea, for plinking I use to shoot 22LR. On top of that, loads at about 800-900 fps are not enough flat shooting on distances beyond 50 meters. Heck, if I want such loads I will just go with 40 S&W.

Now, if you want top load, take 260 gr or heavier slug with large meplat, use full load of slow burning powder and such load will kill cleanly anything smaller than grizzly. If I want more than 41, I will skip even 44 and 45, and get 480/475, or even better, one of those 500 revolvers. Nothing wrong with 44 and 45, but those larger bores could lunch heavier bullet with even larger meplat. Recently, I found information that Linebaugh is now making almost all his big bore in 500, just few 475.

Back to 41; yes, factory ammo is pricey. However, if you want to shoot, you have to reload. If you reload, you need reloading components, and in that respect loaded round is just cent or two more expensive than 357.

BTW, if you are looking for quality 41 mould, here is the post about group buy (GB) for H&G #258 http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=565425

Regards, Onty

Dave T
January 8, 2011, 09:28 PM
I'm setting in front of my computer, trying like the dickens to figure out how a 125g 357 Mag is a better man stopper than a 41 Magnum (pick any load you want). Can someone please explain this? It makes no sense to me and I'm not a 41 fan...not a detractor either.

Dave

W.E.G.
January 8, 2011, 10:09 PM
I'm setting in front of my computer, trying like the dickens to figure out how a 125g 357 Mag is a better man stopper than a 41 Magnum (pick any load you want). Can someone please explain this? It makes no sense to me and I'm not a 41 fan...not a detractor either.

The differences are miniscule.

Easily explained by errors in sampling and reporting.

Ala Dan
January 10, 2011, 12:06 PM
Well, like some other's I'm a use-to-be owner of a 4" Smith & Wesson
model 57-1; but one day, I got a wild hair up my a$$ and traded it
straight up for a nearly worn out 4" nickel S&W model 29-2. Its just
a damn shame, considering I only paid $185 for the S&W model 57-1
new in the factory supplied mahogany box~! Now, I don't own either
one of these two guns~! :eek: :uhoh: :rolleyes:

jimmyraythomason
January 10, 2011, 12:33 PM
Well, like some other's I'm a use-to-be owner of a 4" Smith & Wesson
model 57-1; but one day, I got a wild hair up my a$$ and traded it I feel your pain AlaDan!

McCall911
January 10, 2011, 05:30 PM
Yes! Dire financial straights forced me to sell one of my favorite revolvers ever. An OM Ruger Blackhawk with a 4 5/8" (?) barrel. :(

dgvc63
January 12, 2011, 07:04 PM
Eyeing a blue 6" S&W 57 as my go to big wheelie... 4" ruger service six is the carry wheelie...

Bush Pilot
January 12, 2011, 08:46 PM
I would sell a friend's kidney before selling one of my 41s. Just when I think there's a favorite 41 I change my mind.

mes227
January 12, 2011, 11:53 PM
The latest addition to my collection: S&W 625-4 Lew Horton 6-1/2" brl.

wad
January 13, 2011, 08:32 PM
Here is a Dan Wesson model 41.


http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae60/wdelack/DW41-2.jpg

bhp9mm
January 13, 2011, 09:18 PM
625-4 or is it a 657-4 i never seen a 625 in 41 mag.

230therapy
September 28, 2011, 10:03 PM
http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/IMG_1567.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/IMG_1572.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/IMG_1563.jpg

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Crazy Carl
September 29, 2011, 10:14 PM
Count me in. Got a 5.5" Bisley BH & LOVE that gun. Thinkin' a SBH Hunter or 657 "Classic Hunter" is next on the list.

Goin' out Saturday to test a few loads for hunting season. Did up 5 different batches with from 16.9gr to 18.2gr of 2400, under 215gr Dardas LSWCs. Oughtta be fun.

msjayhawk
October 21, 2011, 08:59 PM
Got a Taurus 416SS6 Raging Bull. Incredible gun! Smooth action and kick up is not bad due to the ports. Absolutely love it. It completes my collection. I will not use the 44 much after this (S&W), will probably sell it to a friend. 1,320 ft-lbs with Buffalo Bore and a 6.5" barrel. 750-1050 with factory loads. Shot 3" group of 6 out of the box at 25 yards...

The new modern me. .22 WMR 12" Savage Striker Bolt-Action Pistol (small game), .327 Fed Mag 4" carry, .41 Rem Mag Taurus for all other needs :-)

-Msjayhawk

1911Tuner
October 23, 2011, 08:51 AM
Forty-ones only make sense if you're using an N-frame revolver.

Unless you're fond of Blackhawks. Then, the .41 makes perfect sense. Lighter than a Super Blackhawk for easy packin' with comparable recoil in the top-end loads...which are only necessary under certain conditions.

. The .44 is technically a better deer hunter,

Technically, a lot of things are "better" than others. Like my old pal Yogi once said:
"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice...they ain't."

Given good bullet placement and bullet construction at adequate power levels, the buck or the boar hit well by the .41 will go down swearin' it was a .44 that got him.

the .357 is a better manstopper.

Based on...what data? Marshal and Sanow's book?

Given the large number of shootings involving the .357 and the small number involving the .41 Mag...most of which were taken with the "Police" load...it's little wonder that the .357 came out on top. If we hypothetically use a light-for-caliber 170-grain JHP at 1450 fps for the .41 Magnum, and collect a comparable number of shootings, those results might be very different, and the same can be said of the 180-grain pill in the .44

It's mostly about placement anyway...not caliber and velocity/energy figures...assuming all else is equal, like body size/type...mental state...drug and/or alcohol involvement, etc.

Many of us...including me...have owned, shot, and lived with all three. Some of us have found the .41 Magnum to be the near perfect balance of power, trajectory, recoil, penetration, and effectiveness. Personally, after having used them all extensively over the years...I can't see a real need for a .44 Magnum other than the ability to use heavier bullets for maximum penetration on large or dangerous animals. How often and how many of us spend a lot of time in big bear country?

In the final analysis...in a comparison between the .41 and .44 magnums...assuming that both are loaded to their potential...there isn't enough rear-world difference to flip a coin over, and any advantage that one holds over the other is pretty much of no consequence.

Between the .41 and the .357 the advantage goes to the .357 because it's chambered in smaller, lighter guns. That's a concern for concealed carry...but anything else is moot.

Missionary
October 23, 2011, 07:53 PM
Good evening Yep another caliber.41 mag shooter since 1981. Sadly I cannot have one down here in Peru.
Mike in Peru

wyatte
October 23, 2011, 10:19 PM
I have two 41 mags, one a 6" model 657-3, and a 657-4 Mountain Gun. I let a very pristine blued 6" pinned and recessed model, complete with the presentation case and all tools get away from me last year, that I regret very much. I bought it for a great price, and for some reason found the urge to sell it. I hope to remedy that situation someday. I really like the cartridge. wyatte

41 Mag
October 24, 2011, 06:06 AM
1911,

I find your post to be right on the money. Having had Redhawk's in both calibers for over 20 years I can say I have put them both through the wringer as far as loads and hunting goes. The 44 has a tiny bit of advantage with the availability of heavier bullets, but as mentioned that's about it.

I have used them both on deer and hogs, and over the past dozen or so years the 41 has gotten more service than the 44. Either will do the job, but the 41 does it so much more smoothly. I load the Remington 200gr SJHP over a mid range load running right at 1300fps from the 7.5" barrel and out to 100yds it will do all I need it to on deer hogs or yotes.

Also like you mentioned, with a 170 or even 200gr bullet I doubt very seriously that any BG would disagree that you were using an ineffective caliber or load.

msjayhawk
October 25, 2011, 03:42 PM
I use this place to find all the ammo I buy...

http://ammoseek.com/?from=resultspage&gun=handgun&cal=32&type=&grains=0&mfg=&keywords=&sortby=cpr&.submit=Search

guitarbob
October 25, 2011, 06:12 PM
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W.E.G.
March 5, 2012, 08:42 PM
'nuther one

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Model%2057/DSCN8825smaller.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Model%2057/DSCN8872smaller-1.jpg

msjayhawk
March 6, 2012, 12:44 AM
I must admit, being an engineer, I analyze the crap out of stuff. I have shot a ton of guns in my lifetime, and we have a huge range out my back door at work. I have ended up with two favorite cartridges for what they can deliver with their level and feel of recoil.

Of course my sniper pistol is a 22 Win Mag in the Savage Striker. My car gun is a .327 Magnum Revolver with a 4" barrel. Awesome power to weight. And the ultimate stud and sweetest shooting member of my carry group is the Taurus .41 mag with the 6.5" barrel. Sold my .44 after I shot several boxes from 650 ft-lbs to 1,300 ft-lbs through it. Just the difference of the POP and PAP and the feel in your hand.

Not that my opinion counts, but I have shot thousands through, and that is the two I feel like are 'me'....

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