CZ Is Making Dan Wesson Revolvers Again


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Mike J
December 12, 2010, 01:19 PM
I just ran across this on another forum. CZ is going to make Dan Wesson 715 revolvers again. Here is a link to the CZ catalog http://cz-usa.com/assets/files/CZ-USA_2011_Product_Catalog.pdf

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armoredman
December 12, 2010, 02:26 PM
Yes. :) The barrels and shrouds have always been available, plus the new one will be able to use the same, from what I am told. No Pistol Pacs yet, maybe later.

9mmepiphany
December 12, 2010, 04:09 PM
That is excellent news. It will be interesting to see how the new production differs for the old guns and how it affects their value

B_Li_Ber_Tar_Ian
December 12, 2010, 05:30 PM
Any idea of release date? I know this is the revolver forum, but the 10mm Titan sounds promising...

armoredman
December 12, 2010, 07:25 PM
Not yet, all I know is 2011. Hang on to your hats, 2011 is going to be a rocking gun year!

Deanimator
December 12, 2010, 08:50 PM
My next gun purchase when I get a job!

goodtime
December 12, 2010, 09:17 PM
One thing I like about Dan Wesson revolvers, besides the great quality, is the fact that serviceable used ones can readily be found for for very inexpensive prices.

wad
December 12, 2010, 09:27 PM
Rumors are; initially it will be a model 715 (stainless .357) with a 6" barrel assembly, will be packed in a case that has space for additional barrel assembles (like a pistol pack), and will include all the necessary tools. Delivery date is estimated at June 2011 with a retail price of $1200. Also, the barrel shroud will have a new profile that differers from all the past 15/715 models.


Speaking of barrel shrouds, something cool is now available:

http://www.ewkarms.com/EPC.html
http://www.ewkarms.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13_14&products_id=27

robhof
December 12, 2010, 09:44 PM
It's about time, CZ bought out the Norwich plant and they had just installed all new machinery for the DW's as the Palmer plant had used the old Monson machines that were very worn and outdated. The only machines currently in use are the barrel and shroud machines as they are made to order currently. There is a running dialog of EWK on the danwessonforums.com, he's testing several calibers of barrels/shrouds and will hopefully have an assortment for sale, cheaper than the new CZ prices, which recently doubled.:cuss:

dashootist
December 12, 2010, 11:06 PM
Wonder if they will put an internal lock?

Walkalong
December 12, 2010, 11:12 PM
with a retail price of $1200.
Dang. Now folks with the older ones will think theirs are worth more. :mad:

They have been a really good value for some time. Very reasonably priced.

19-3Ben
December 12, 2010, 11:14 PM
Wow.

Going back 5 years, when I got my very first handgun (the same day that my permit came in), i went ot the gun shop knowing that I wanted a 4"bbl .357mag revolver, and that Colt, Ruger, and S&W were good brands that would generally treat me well.

I looked in the case, and saw the S&W model 19-3, but next to it was this thing :what:. A Dan Wesson. I was a newb and I had never heard of such a thing. Probably a knock off of a Smith and Wesson (kind of like "Polex" watches). This weird revolver had a larger looking frame than the S&W, and had some oddball latch in front of the cylinder. Very strange. I asked to see it. I felt it, and it felt and pointed very nicely. It looked beautifully made, and had an amazing trigger. As a relative newbie I put down the unknown revolver and went with the 19-3 (my namesake). I LOVE that 19-3 to this day. But to this day, I still think of that pristine DW for $275 in the case and think "what if."

That's my Dan Wesson story.

Mike J
December 12, 2010, 11:45 PM
wad-Thanks for posting the EWK link. I have an old somewhat cosmetically challenged 15-2 now but I've only got the 4" barrel. If I had a 6' or longer barrel I'd like to try to take a deer with it. Right now I am also unemployed but once I get on my feet again I will check & see what they have available.

Lucky Derby
December 13, 2010, 02:18 AM
Will old barrels work on the new guns? I may yet get a .357 pistol pak.

Mike J
December 13, 2010, 10:35 AM
Unless I am mistaken the catalog says that Barrels & shrouds from model 15-2 & later guns will work with the new ones.

hardluk1
December 13, 2010, 11:04 AM
I truely love my DW revolvers but at 1200 dollars i will have to look at them as if they were a S&W custom. Just NOT worth that much money. To bad. I will be buy'n a EWK barrel assembley or two.

Thaddeus Jones
December 13, 2010, 11:17 AM
Great news!! Finally a company besides Ruger making decent revolvers!! :)

zoom6zoom
December 13, 2010, 11:22 AM
Speaking of barrel shrouds, something cool is now available:
WooHoo! (Can you say pistol whip?)
I'm going to have to add one of those to my Pistol Pac.

hardluk1
December 13, 2010, 03:13 PM
I got a reply from CZ about 20 minutes ago and i was told that no price has been set yet BUT only 500 will be made and then got a song and dance about how there were no blueprints and that would run the cost up and about old machinery and on and on. If the price is 1200 dollors i will keep buy'n old ones. They also have at this time NO enterest in expanding the line to other calibers.

MrBorland
December 13, 2010, 03:44 PM
no price has been set yet BUT only 500 will be made and then got a song and dance about how there were no blueprints and that would run the cost up and about old machinery and on and on.

Uh oh...Maybe Cunningham has a good reason to be pessimistic :scrutiny:

http://www.grantcunningham.com/blog_files/889d8d85bbe0556415f9a9fe80346e31-788.html

hemiram
December 13, 2010, 07:21 PM
Well, it's never been on their webpage before, so hopefully it happens. I would expect that the street price will be a lot less than list.

Mike J
December 13, 2010, 11:53 PM
I might be wrong but if they sell & sell fast I think CZ will make more & expand it to other calibers. This might be CZ testing the waters to see if they will move.

hardluk1
December 14, 2010, 12:58 PM
At a retale price close to the 1200 dollars that someone things is right I will have to pass. That would be for me as stupid as buying a s&w custom shop gun and that is never going to happen.. Got another reply that said they would up the build to 1000 for the following year. To bad that they also don't plan on building a 22 or a bullseye 38. Cuts out lots of buyers. I may just have to be happy with my 2 -357 and 1 -44mag and will keep watch for a 22.

fastbolt
December 14, 2010, 02:26 PM
Well, speaking as a revolver owner, user and enthusiast it's always interesting to hear of traditional double action revolvers generating interest.

I remember when DW revolvers were current production guns, though, and don't see their return as being particularly exciting. Many examples seemed to sit in dealer cases back then and didn't carry much in the way of resale value.

Discontinuing a product/model line often seems to generate fond memories and the desire for owning them, however, and maybe this will help the limited number of new (and apparently potentially expensive) DW revolvers sell.

I'd rather see Colt start up their revolver lines again, and I didn't see them as particularly robust and sturdy service revolvers for hard use.

I miss the Ruger Security/Service/Speed-Six model line, myself.

armoredman
December 14, 2010, 03:55 PM
I spoke to the people I know inside CZ, and the word is watch the SHOT show. Also, estimated MSRP will not be $1200, closer to $1k or less. I didn't hear anything about production limits, but I didn't ask, sorry.

Zundfolge
December 14, 2010, 05:16 PM
I still contend that if the street price of these is greater than $800 then they won't sell and CZ will discontinue the line before the year is out.


The other big question hanging over their head is going to be quality ... DW's have come and gone in different forms over the years and the quality was not consistent (for example Monson Mass DW's are considered better made than the Palmer Mass guns).

In addition to coming in under $800, they better be Monson Mass quality guns or again, they won't sell and CZ will dump the line.

I remember when DW revolvers were current production guns, though, and don't see their return as being particularly exciting. Many examples seemed to sit in dealer cases back then and didn't carry much in the way of resale value.
Frankly I suspect this has always been one of the major reasons folk bought DWs ... you could find a new (but dusty) one in the back of the gun shop case and pick it up for what you'd pay for a similar Taurus (but end up with a S&W quality gun ... built Ruger tough).

The other reason people bought these was Pistol Packs (which apparently CZ is not going to do)

hardluk1
December 14, 2010, 06:14 PM
Time well tell but if enough people that want one remind cz what is expected and offer advise on other calibers maybe they will get the message. All have to admit that if these pistols sell for a price compairable to th 1911 and no priced like there cz line of pistol it will kill any long term sales. With only 500 being built the first year they will sell them It's going to be the following years that tell if they stay around awhile. The last run was reather high so we should probably not except any great prices.

Chuck Perry
December 14, 2010, 06:29 PM
Another service sized, 6 shot 357 Magnum revolver? Seriously? The hot ticket right now is 22LR versions of centerfire guns. Someone needs to introduce a reasonably priced full size double action 22LR revolver. DW offered a 22LR at one time, I believe on the same frame that CZ is going to manufacture for the reborn 715. Seems like a no brainer for CZ, if they can keep to cost down below the S&W 617.

fastbolt
December 14, 2010, 06:33 PM
The other reason people bought these was Pistol Packs (which apparently CZ is not going to do)

I think you're correct to some degree about the pistol packs when it came to enthusiasts wanting to use the same frame for different roles with different length barrels. The ability to change barrel lengths was a bit intriguing and enticing, but the overall size of the frame mitigated against the really short barrel length being practical ... unless you considered a wheelgun approx the size of a 2 1/2" Python being a "practical" concealment choice (and some folks did).

The potential for some owners to not properly secure the barrels was also something to consider. After all, some folks have a hard time replacing a lid on a jar. :scrutiny:

The choice of caliber would seem to be a decent all-around choice, especially for the hand-loaders, although there's also been some improvement and variety when it comes to bullet design and weight in recent years. Maybe the silhouette and handgun hunting part of the market will find some interest in these new DW's.

Considering the size of the DW frame, it's too bad they didn't consider increasing the cylinder capacity to 7 or 8 rounds, though.

Personally, I never cared for the cylinder release being upfront on the yoke (crane, whatever some manufacturer cared to call it ;) ).

I guess we'll learn more at the Shot Show. I may not care for the DW revolver, myself, and the quality has yet to be demonstrated, but I like seeing American-made revolvers remain within the market. :)

Rexster
December 14, 2010, 06:34 PM
I am interested. I had long wanted to get a good pre-owned .357 DW sixgun with the pistol pac. They have shown up occasionally at a large local dealer.

The aftermarket shrouds are interesting, too. This also has me thinking yet again of asking a highly talented local 'smith about the feasibility of adapting the DW barrels and shrouds to one of my several Ruger sixguns. Some 'smith used to do these conversions with S&W revolvers, in the 1980's, as I recall.

carbuncle
December 14, 2010, 06:35 PM
This is pretty cool, I'm a fan of DW revolvers. I'm not going to rush out and buy one of the new ones, but it does remind me to keep an eye out for the old DWs. I still regret selling my 6" barrel .357, that was a fine-shooting revolver.

Zundfolge
December 14, 2010, 06:40 PM
... but the overall size of the frame mitigated against the really short barrel length being practical ... unless you considered a wheelgun approx the size of a 2 1/2" Python being a "practical" concealment choice (and some folks did).
Hey, I resemble that remark. :D

http://www.macvanpublishing.com/mike/sourdough/IWB_in_pants.jpg
http://www.macvanpublishing.com/mike/DW14-2_TylerT_1.jpg

fastbolt
December 14, 2010, 06:52 PM
Hey, I resemble that remark. :D


I figured I might elicit a response. :neener:

Admittedly, while I often carried an issued 4" M66 or a 4" M686 on my own time, as well as any number of Security/Service/Speed-Sixes and even later one a 5 1/2" Redhawk and a couple of N-frame .44's, I haven't belted on a medium or large frame revolver for concealment roles in some time.

I still take some of them out to the range upon occasion, if only to let the youngsters see that a Magnum revolver can still run with the pistols in the hands of a long time revolver shooter ... and usually run the course as fast, or faster, when it comes to rate of accurate fire/shot strings, losing time only on reloading (and not as much as many folks might suspect when it comes to regular pistols shooters who don't really practice or understand effective loading techniques with their hi-cap wonder pistols :uhoh: ).

The last time I cleared & maxed out a service pistol qual course-of-fire with a couple of my .44's, using full power heavy bullet weights (315gr JHP, as I recall, since I had some on hand), a couple of the other instructors came up to me and started reminiscing about when they used to carry revolvers on-duty, and one of them used to carry a S&W 44. Magnum as a motorcop.

Then I took a M66 2 1/2" out to the range and showed folks how it could be used with various Magnum loads to make accurate hits from the commonly used 3-11 yards drills out to 75 yards. It made me remember why I used to enjoy carrying an issued .357 Magnum ...

Glad to see you're keeping your older DW snub in good shape. ;)

hardluk1
December 15, 2010, 10:22 AM
That dw looks pretty small to me. You might slip 8 22 mags into a 15 series cylinder not 357 just not that large. They are the same basic size as a combat masterpiece. How many DW owners can reload quicker than with a sw mid size. me me me. I have had both a model 10 sw and my dw 15 series for 34 years and i can reload quicker for sure with the dw. People just out think thereselfs sometimes and make things tougher than it really is.

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