Ever damaged an indoor range?


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funbob
January 24, 2003, 12:41 AM
Visited the indoor range today and decided to take along the AR-15. I knew the place would be deserted on a Thursday afternoon and it's a lot closer than the rifle range. So I'm shooting away with the target reeled out to 25 yds when all of a sudden *snip* I slice the target carrier cable right in two. Bummer. I guess it was a freak ricochet (it wasn't my shooting :D ). In any case, I informed the range staff and they were real cool about it. I simply moved to another lane and they even gave me a new target. I did have to pay a $20 range damage fee though. Oh well, guess I'll just stick to the outdoor range for rifle shooting :D

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10-Ring
January 24, 2003, 12:56 AM
Well, I have shot my share of those target arms that hold the target in place in a indoor range & I've shot a few clips off the target as well. Outdoors, I've shot the wooden frames a couple times. But recently (last few years since I learned to shoot straight), the ranges I go to are safe while I play.

PUMC_TomG
January 24, 2003, 01:02 AM
I personally haven't. But while shooting a ROTC match at U of W at Madison a girl on my team shot the target holder...

The damn thing peppered the lead bullet and made it look like she hit her bullseye target with a frangible. However... nobody knew that for sure... so they scored the target... good for her since there were about 40 holes on that target... so they picked the best ones...

:D

falconer
January 24, 2003, 02:19 AM
Not to hijack the thread, but....

Tom, are you coming with one of the ROTC teams from Purdue to the match at OSU this weekend?

PUMC_TomG
January 24, 2003, 02:34 AM
I was a Captain for Purdue NROTC Pistol... and I think they're going there this weekend.

Unfortunately I'm no longer NROTC - had an accident that saw my way out of the program... but now I'm an Aviation Officer Candidate.

However, not to hijack, did you attend the shooting clinic in Quantico last October I think it was, with the USMC shooting team?

jsalcedo
January 24, 2003, 05:38 AM
I went to the "gun store" off the Vegas strip last year
to try out their submachine guns.

My first choice was the Thompson "of course"
The range instructor clipped the sillouette to the wire with
a pair of those black paper clamps and reeled the target out to about 15 yards.

Not being familiar with the sights on a WW2 Thompson
I aimed and fired off a short 5 round burst.

The next thing I see is my sillouette laying on the ground.
I had obliterated both metal binder clips and the hanger
they attached to.

The range employee was cool about it and just laughed it off.
I ended up spending over 250 bucks firing 4 different vintage
guns that day...

AK103K
January 24, 2003, 05:51 AM
Word of advice, dont shoot a full auto M11/9mm in a Weaver stance without the stock extended. My first and only attempt was rewarded with a "snow storm" of ceiling tile pieces coming down in front of me. I did get the target with the first round though. :)

denfoote
January 24, 2003, 06:35 AM
Yup!! I've nipped the cable that runs the targets out a couple of times!! No big deal!!

dleong
January 24, 2003, 09:04 AM
I was at the local indoor range a couple of months ago with my brand new stainless steel Ruger Super Blackhawk (with the 10" barrel) and a box of my "non-magnum" 44 Mag reloads. Shooting in the bay comes to a stop and all eyes are on me as I prepare to shoot it for the very first time (talk about pressure!). I roll the 8.5" X 11" paper target out to 20 yards and take aim. BANG! The target carrier is doing a wild dance on the cable, but the target remains attached. I wait for the carrier to stabilize, then take aim again. BANG! Again, the carrier is gyrating wildly, and this time loses the paper target AND the metal attachment clip. At this point, I am thoroughly embarrassed, and roll the target carrier back. My friends are snickering at me at this point.

Turns out that Ruger revolvers are calibrated at the factory for a "6 o'clock" sight picture rather than POI (I would have known this had I read the manual thoroughly). Upon realizing this, I readjusted the rear sight so the revolver would shoot to POI (like all my other pistols). The SBH is now good for 2" offhand groups at 25 yards.

DL

davera
January 24, 2003, 09:54 AM
A friend of mine was shooting my SIG P228 at an indoor range and was unfamiliar with the light SA trigger. He was pulling back from his shooting stance and ND'd one into the ceiling uprange. A few minutes later, one of the neon light fixtures came apart and fell to the floor. I strongly suspect it was his shot.

While he has been shooting pistols longer than me and is at this time a better marksman, his handling habits are not good. He should not have had his finger on the trigger anyway. The gun was at least pointed downrange though, albeit high.

PS when hanging around his house and handling the pistols I make sure to take the magazine out of his pistol because he routinely has his finger on the trigger or sweeps all around the room.

Blackhawk
January 24, 2003, 10:00 AM
You'd think ranges would be bulletproof....

Jesse H
January 24, 2003, 10:20 AM
PS when hanging around his house and handling the pistols I make sure to take the magazine out of his pistol because he routinely has his finger on the trigger or sweeps all around the room.

I always hand over guns w/out mag and the slide locked back, no matter who it is. Just a good habit.

mtnbkr
January 24, 2003, 11:28 AM
A few years ago, I was shooting an Erma PPK copy in 22lr. It had been developing a slamfire problem that I thought I had fixed before that trip to the range. After about 20rnds, it slamfired and cooked off about 4 shots like an autopistol. In doing this, it managed to rise up and put one round into the ceiling about 5ft in front of me.

Chris

Neal Bloom
January 24, 2003, 11:37 AM
My wife blew the target clip on the holder off at the indoor range in Albuquerque. The range staff were pleasant about it. They were impressed that she was shooting full house .357 magnum factory loads out of a Taurus 605. Little lady with a little gun that really roars.

HS/LD
January 24, 2003, 11:38 AM
I have damaged a lot of those pieces of paper they hang down in the shooting range.
Put all sorts of holes in them :D

HS/LD

Azrael256
January 24, 2003, 11:47 AM
I spun the target hanger at a local range with a friend's .41 magnum last weekend. It'll really get to spinning when you do that. Later he put one just below the center clip. Tore the paper almost completely loose from the hanger, but didn't put a scratch on the metal.

4v50 Gary
January 24, 2003, 01:00 PM
The CHP put a bullet hole into the side of a Presidio Army Base indoor range that used by many LE agencies. The range was shut as a result. We could have had a few more years of use at that range but for the incident. Eventually, it would have been closed when the Base closed. :(

blades67
January 24, 2003, 01:20 PM
Nope. I've seen some scarry things happen at some indoor ranges, enough that I won't go to Caswell's for anything anymore.

Shootist45
January 24, 2003, 05:44 PM
To some extreme damage. The names are changed to protect the guilty.

In a city in SoCal, to remain nameless, at an indoor range that had three, fifty foot long by eight bays wide, shooting ranges, I watched this happen.

The last shooting bay could be used for rifles when the business was slow. The calibers were: 22 LR, 9mm, 40 S&W and 45 ACP, all clearly posted on the far wall of that particular shooting bay.

Well, "Eddie" was the young college student who was at the counter at the time. I had gone in and was shooting in range 2, bay 8, just close enough to see the guy with the rifle take a bench rest solid position and fire. Ka BOOOOOM!!!! Followed by another and another and another. This was NOT any of the calibers posted on the wall.

I went to Eddie and asked what was going on. He said it was OK. I knew better and called the owner "Vince" and told him to get down here soon as there was a guy putting holes in the back stop!

Vince did get there in record time and sure enough there were 17 holes in the 1/2 steel plate and LARGE pock marks in the concrete wall in back of that.

When Vince found out the caliber he raced to Eddie and asked why he let the guy shoot on the rifle range. Eddie said, "well, you told me that if the rifle caliber was smaller that 9mm they could shoot. Isn't 7mm smaller than 9mm?"

Needless to say, that was Eddie's last night at the counter and Vince had to fork out over $3k to have the back stop rebuilt.

:what:

Monkeyleg
January 24, 2003, 06:11 PM
Since I don't frequent indoor ranges much, I can honestly say I haven't personally damaged one.

However...

I did on one occasion take a couple of clients to shoot my full-auto Thompson, and one had never fired a gun before. Walked him through the safety rules, but didn't think to start him out in semi-auto mode. Well, he started firing and I could see the splinters falling from the ceiling. The other client and I were yelling "cease fire! cease fire!", but it wasn't until the drum emptied that he stopped.

We left without saying anything. I just hope the owners of that range aren't reading this tonight.:uhoh:

TheFrontRange
January 24, 2003, 06:25 PM
Have never damaged the range, but had the jacket portion of a .45 ACP CorBon Pow'rBall round from my 1911 zip back uprange and strike a shooter two bays over in the chest! Thankfully it had lost most of its velocity and didn't hurt him. The other shooter was most pleasant about the whole thing...said he'd been shooting at indoor ranges a long time and that this was not at all uncommon...told me he'd been hit like that a few times!

Once *I* settled back down we resumed firing...I just set the rest of my hot little CorBons aside and stuck to FMJs after that. :)

Call it a mighty good case for protecting the eyes as well as the ears while shooting, too!

45R
January 24, 2003, 07:07 PM
I was with a friend of mine at Target Masters in Milpitas one afternoon shooting semi auto's. I believe I had a .38 Super in my hand. We were conducting regular business when I fired a few shots at my target. On of the overhanding lights from the lane over fell into out lane and shattered.

We both looked at each other, realed the target in and counted all the holes. Every bullet was accounted for.

Walked outside to tell the rangemaster and he asked me if I knew how to shoot a gun. :fire: HEHE I said sir, you line up the target with the sights on the gun and fire. He said okay dont worry about it and laughed, "We'll have the rookie here come out and change the light later" :neener:

P95Carry
January 24, 2003, 07:31 PM
A mere 22LR thru range roof once ... long, long ago!:rolleyes: :p

Sisco
January 24, 2003, 08:27 PM
Doesn't involve guns, but I was with a guy at an indoor archery range once. He cranked his compound bow up to 75 lbs or so, let an arrow fly and missed the target board. The arrow went through the sheetrock and the side of the metal building.
Owners drew a large black circle around the hole and wrote his name next to it.

CAP
January 24, 2003, 08:32 PM
None that I know of or reported.

I'm mainly worried about some yahoo muzzle flashing me and having to yell at them to stop point that gun at me unless they want me shooting back! :cuss:

BerettaNut92
January 24, 2003, 08:53 PM
No, but I see homies try to be cute and take headshots and end up swinging their hangar and bobbing everyone else's.

I guess I need practice shooting moving targets anyway.

Soap
January 24, 2003, 09:20 PM
Nope. But newbies do it at Purdue at an astounding rate. If you turn around for one second all of a sudden there are a bunch of .22 slugs in the top wooden part of our bullet trap system :rolleyes: A small price to pay for RKBA though.

Standing Wolf
January 24, 2003, 10:59 PM
I've never damaged a range, but was in a match once when a fellow hit a fire extinguisher with a .45 A.C.P. Such a mess!

larry_minn
January 25, 2003, 01:33 AM
. My brother came along and I was having him shoot .22 rifle. Then he wanted to try handguns. As range was mostly empty I set him up. First rd the RO happens to walk in as he fires. He hits hanger and lead cuts target in two.. RO yells "CEASE FIRE" So I take gun and unload and bench. The RO comes over and yells at us for having some kind of explosive ammo or something. He saw it shred the target. I retreived the holder and part of target and you could see the smear of lead.
The RO then apoligized and got us some free targets....
I did hit a hanger with a Ruger single action. Like was said must aim low and I aimed normal. Just ticked it with a cowboy load. No damage.
BTW in case where 7mm being shot. Even thou it was printed on the wall what calibers allowed IMO if range Officer in charge gives me permission to shoot the gun I bring I should not be liable for damages. It sounded like shooter ASKED if it was OK and idiot said yes.... If that was case I wouldn't pay the $3k

Pappy John
January 25, 2003, 08:59 AM
Well.... it was supposed to be only a SEMI-auto Mac 10. Sorry about the ceiling....and the roof....and all the mess. :what: :uhoh:

JamisJockey
January 25, 2003, 12:18 PM
No...but...
I once chastised an older fellow (and he gave me that 'shut up you don't know nothing you young whelp' look :rolleyes: )
for doing quick draws at our indoor range..with his finger on the trigger! :fire:
There is a waist high brick wall for the 'firing line' at that range, and there are several holes in it where idiots have had AD's in there....
:banghead:

Stam-knees
January 25, 2003, 12:40 PM
I used to work on a gun store/pistol range in Central Ohio, those of you from Ohio will know which one Im speaking of. We had put up new sound insulation and a gentleman came in and shot the side wall of the range up with his Gold Cup. We called a cease fire and he refused to leave the range, the police were called and he was escorted from the range. I remember fixing alot of target hangers because alot of the people who come and shoot cant shoot worth a damn. All they want to do is make noise. I can only remember a few people actually coming out and admitting to doing damage to our range. Most people would come out and not say anything and we wouldnt find out until we put the next person on that lane. Of all the people that used to come out on that range, I only remember a few that were true marksmen, the rest were a bunch of amateurs who had no business around firearms.

2dogs
January 25, 2003, 12:45 PM
Never did it myself but the last time I was at the range another fella did- shot up the metal plate that the target hangs from.

The range person was not at all pleased with this. I don't know if the person shooting was trying to hit it- if he wasn't then he sure needs more practice.:)

Kentucky Rifle
January 25, 2003, 01:56 PM
..in high school (MILITARY high school), a guy kept having AD/UD's into the ceiling. This was the same guy who kept sweeping us with his rifle. It WAS "high school", so we took him out back and "explained" it to him.

KR

STPRMON1
January 25, 2003, 02:44 PM
When I was at the shooting range yesterday, we heard a crash
and all you could see was a flourescent light and fixture falling down from the ceiling. Boy the shooter sure was embarrassed.

MessedUpMike
January 25, 2003, 03:06 PM
I was at an indoor shooting range with a Buddy of mine one night when we saw tow new shoots blow the entire taget hanger right off the wire. Marvelling at how anyone could do such a thing and not die of embarrassment (they where pretty red though) we went back to shooting and then five minutes later my buddy double tapped his golck and took his hanger out to.:D

mdsteele
January 25, 2003, 09:57 PM
Shot a few holes in the ceiling of my local range. First time shooting full auto with an MP5. Didn't happen anymore:D

gbelleh
January 26, 2003, 10:08 AM
When I was 18, my first time shooting a 12 gauge pistol grip shotgun, I shot the entire hanger down. I got yelled at pretty good by the staff but didn't have to pay anything.

MLH
January 26, 2003, 12:13 PM
You'd think ranges would be bulletproof....

They sorta are. They just aren't IDIOT proof!:banghead: :uhoh:

teknical
January 26, 2003, 01:18 PM
How are indoor ranges constructed, though? The same as a normal commercial business structures? If you were to shoot straight up into the ceiling of a one-story range, would the bullet conceivably exit the roof?

That just seems odd, though I don't can't say I know of a way of keeping it from happening...

jsalcedo
January 26, 2003, 01:40 PM
It would be very difficult if not impossible to make an indoor range ceiling bulletproof.

I don't think it would be a wise thing to do
because of ricochet dangers and weight considerations.
I'm wondering if there are any regulations on indoor ranges other than dealing with ventilation and the backstop.

Shane
February 5, 2003, 02:17 AM
One of the time I was at an indoor range, the guy next to me was shooting at a paper man sillowet target that was really long (and low to the ground). The target went so low, that even though he was hitting the target, the angle of the bullets caused them to bounce off (graze) the cement floor!! I could see slight dents in the cement, but luckily the bullets didn't richochet. The range master had the guy change targets that didn't go so low, but I don't know whether they made him pay for the damages or not.

Kahr carrier
February 5, 2003, 04:05 AM
I Havent ,but My Friend was shooting a Benelli and he was a little careless and took out some ceiling tile.:what: :neener:

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