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Nar
December 14, 2010, 04:11 PM
I am considering getting a .357 snub for a BUG, I normally have a 9mm, and i want to revolver for it's reliability and i was hoping on input on some good snubs.

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Thaddeus Jones
December 14, 2010, 04:14 PM
The S&W pre lock 2.5" 66, if you must have a 357. Superb snubby. Little large for a BUG though, IMO.

Personally I prefer the Colt Cobra, and Detective Special as BUG revolvers. TJ

Mooseman
December 14, 2010, 04:16 PM
I love my Ruger sp101, rugged and its weight helps tame the recoil. I wear mine IWB, you would probably want something lighter if pocket carry is your thing.

harmon rabb
December 14, 2010, 04:19 PM
Mooseman, he said he wants the snub as a BUG. I don't really see a SP101 in that role, given it's relatively size and weight compared to the j-frames and the LCR.

So, I'll say he should get a LCR in .357.

springfield30-06
December 14, 2010, 04:22 PM
S&W 360, S&W 340 or Ruger LCR in .357. All light weight guns in .357 Mag, and all will slap your hand pretty good with the .357's. You could always load them with .38's though if you find that they have excessive recoil.

Nar
December 14, 2010, 04:32 PM
I was looking at the 360. and i know that the .357 will slap my hand but i would rather have a .357 and load it with .38 and have the option of magnum load if need be.

*Klutch*
December 14, 2010, 04:55 PM
Although I like the 357 in any gun, I think for a BUG a good 38 is plenty. Think about the role the gun is playing, think about the possibility you will have to shoot it with the weak hand; with the 357 you may only get off one shot but with the 38 you will be more in control with one hand weak side shooting. Also just like the 9mm the 38 HP +P ammo that is available is excellent for example Speer GDHP 135gr +P short barrel IMO is the best round for SD in a snubbie 38. I will be carrying my SP101 as of Friday as a primary with full power 357 loads but I can shoot it with two hands to keep more control, as a BUG it will most likely be shot one handed. I guess what I'm getting at is a light 5 shot revolver that can pack a pretty good wallop is a great BUG just be sure it's the right BUG. The Ruger LCR in 357 or 38 is tough to beat. I also recently got rid of a S&W442 which was awesome I should have kept it.

desmo21
December 14, 2010, 05:03 PM
LCR in 357. It will shoot 38 for target.

Zundfolge
December 14, 2010, 05:14 PM
For .357mag in a small frame snubbie I'd go with an SP101 ... lots of other options in .38, but the extra weight of the overbuilt Ruger will be nicer with full house .357 loads.

If you don't mind a larger frame gun than a S&W 686 or a Dan Wesson (I happen to pack a DW 14-2 snubbie) would be good choices.

Seven For Sure
December 14, 2010, 05:31 PM
S&W J frame, K frame or L frame. 5, 6 or 7 shots in the same order. That smaller Ruger seems decent but for weight to size ratio and the better trigger the S&W's are hard to beat.

Zundfolge
December 14, 2010, 05:34 PM
S&W J frame, K frame or L frame. 5, 6 or 7 shots in the same order.
Or N Frame and get 8 [insert maniacal laughter here] (that S&W Night Guard 327 is a sexy beast)

Naybor
December 14, 2010, 06:27 PM
I do agree on a SP101 as a good (tho heavy) BUG. The wife has one and we both like it a lot for CC. (She shoots .38 + P's in it, which she didn't like in an airweight). I myself am saving up for a .357 SP101 w/3 1/16 barrel to use as a BUG. I thought about a Bond Arms .38 derringer but decided on the SP101. Nearly the same price. The IWB holster I got her for her 2 1/4" barrel .357 is for a 3 1/16 model and we see no difference in ease of carry with the longer length.

I have shot a few different airweights and had even .38 spc. sting a little. Each size weapon is a trade-off. Is there a rental range close where you can try different models?

VerdeVolpe
December 14, 2010, 06:36 PM
I like the LCR in .357. Same size as the J frames and LCR in .38, but has a stainless steel frame. At a little over 17 oz. it's just a tad heavier than a 642. The Hogue Tamer grip really helps with recoil. It's going to be my next firearm purchase.

Rexster
December 14, 2010, 06:38 PM
BUG is a relative term. I carry multiple SP101 snubbies frequently, and almost never need something as small as a J-frame, though I have a couple of those, too. I don't EVER want to fire a magnum from a alloy-framed J-snub! From an SP101, magnums are no problem.

FMJMIKE
December 14, 2010, 09:11 PM
Ruger SP101................:evil:

66912
December 14, 2010, 09:33 PM
I am really not that big of a guy so a BUG period is a stretch in a large caliber for me. BUT, One of my primary carry weapons is a 2.5" 686+ pre-lock. Pretty large for the barrel size but accurate, reliable, and sturdy. No issue's in 10 years and thousands of rounds. Also I live in the PNW so stainless steel is a big plus for me. I would say find a nice classic #19 ir #66. They are still to be had for around $400 or so. Anything .357 by ruger will last you a lifetime as well.

Nar
December 14, 2010, 09:47 PM
Thanks for all the input guys, I have used S&Ws and do agree they have good triggers, no i don't have a rental range by me, I do live near the Ruger factory though so i can probibly find a good deal on a new Ruger. Thanks for the advice and if there is more to say then I'll gladly listen.

Surefire
December 14, 2010, 10:08 PM
I prefer the Ruger SP 101.

Enough weight to make .357 magnum recoil seem mild with any full power load.

Not so heavy that it is a chore to carry.

MMCSRET
December 14, 2010, 11:43 PM
My 357 snub is a J frame Colt, specifically a Lawman Mark III. Big, heavy, 2" round butt and can shoot the heaviest, hottest 357 round and still be easily controlled and back on target for follow up shot. Smooth a silk!!!!!!!!!!

ArchAngelCD
December 15, 2010, 02:46 AM
For a good .357 Magnum BUG I would choose either a S&W M640 or S&W M649. The M60 is also a good revolver but the exposed hammer might be a problem when drawing. Those revolvers are ~23oz which isn't ultra light but not that heavy either. They are easier to shoot well than a 12oz Aitlite. I own a M640 and it's a very good revolver even when shooting full house Magnum ammo. (couldn't find a M649 lol)

atlctyslkr
December 15, 2010, 12:52 PM
For a good .357 Magnum BUG I would choose either a S&W M640 or S&W M649. The M60 is also a good revolver but the exposed hammer might be a problem when drawing. Those revolvers are ~23oz which isn't ultra light but not that heavy either. They are easier to shoot well than a 12oz Aitlite. I own a M640 and it's a very good revolver even when shooting full house Magnum ammo. (couldn't find a M649 lol)

649 rocks! Love mine.

Cosmoline
December 15, 2010, 02:00 PM
The Speed Six is about the best shooting snub-nosed magnum around this side of a Python. The SP-101 is also great. I would NOT want to have to rely on a magnum LCR under an circumstances. The recoil with magnums is going to be horrific, which means you won't practice enough with your carry loads and if the worst case happens you'll be lucky to hold onto the thing in recoil.

gorenut
December 15, 2010, 02:09 PM
Everything else sounds like great advice.

Also might consider a Chiappa Rhino. I haven't handled one personally but heard great things from people who own them.

Only thing to be slightly concerned about is that it hasn't been as time-tested as the other choices out there, but I haven't heard of anything going bad yet.

Nar
December 15, 2010, 03:25 PM
Just looked at the rhino, has te upside down configuration, that's interesting, reminds me of the metaba, I would like to own one, but not as a BUG, something like that seems more of a range or target gun.

DAdams
December 15, 2010, 04:22 PM
Have you considered the S&W M&P 340? At 13.3 ounces it makes for a reasonable weighted pocket carry.
If you don't plan to pocket carry I would probably lean more towards the S&W K Frames for a little more heft and less felt recoil.

It's worth a look. I typically carry mine with Plus P though. Nice with a Crimson Trace grip.

Lighter yet....340PD.

rnpollard
December 25, 2010, 02:57 PM
for about a month now and love it. It is the "Tame the Beast" model from Jack Weigand Customs. It is a sweet gun.

I sold a Smith 65 years ago and regretted it until I got the 101.

I just took it to the range and shot 125 magnum loads through it with absolutely no problems.

I generally carry Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel .38+p loads in it but don't hesitate to stoke it with magnum loads in the woods or while traveling. I'm happier with the .38s in a home defense situation.

pappi
December 25, 2010, 03:22 PM
If you get a chance check out the Smith & Wesson 340PD .357 Mag Airlite on Buds Gun Shop.

Retails for around $800 or so but, is a great ccw firearm.

Gunner4h1r3
December 25, 2010, 07:54 PM
For .357's I use a 3 1/16" SP101. As a BUG it is pretty big. If you are looking for a BUG I would recommend a .38 as many have mentioned. My BUG for over 2 years has been a S&W 638 Airweight Bodyguard. Light enough for pocket carry,snag-free, has the option for SA shooting and the trigger is smooth with the single action downright scary. I keep it loaded with +P Gold Dots. I have fired .357's in light guns and they hurt. A lot.With .38's they are manageable but I am not fond of the titanium/scandium models on the market. But that is my personal opinion.

Prosser
December 26, 2010, 12:01 AM
I have the 360PD. I load it with Fioochi 148 grain JHP that go 1131 fps out of that gun.
I could also use .38 Plus P by Buffalobore, 1040 fps, 158 grain LHP, and the recoil is the limit I can shoot decently out of the gun. I have big hands, and pocket carry grips have to be small. I find at 7 yards I can hit center of mass, but, no head shots consistently.
Anything over that level is unshootable. I did the recoil numbers, using buffalobores
loads:
360PD recoil figures:
180 gr. L.F.N. -G.C. (1,400fps/M.E. 783 ft. lbs.)
Recoil Energy of 41 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 60 fps.

158 gr. J.H.C. (1,475fps/M.E. 763 ft. lbs.)
Recoil Energy of 37 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 57 fps.

125 gr. J.H.C. (1,700fps/M.E. 802 ft. lbs.)

Recoil Energy of 35 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 55 fps.

Anytime the recoil velocity goes over 35 fps, your entering a wrenching, horrible recoil
area, that hurts a LOT.

I shot ONE round each of the first two loads, and never again.

The recoil of the 148's is:

148ís @ 1131 fps
Recoil Energy of 13 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 29 fps.

The problem with the scandiums is that light weight, while making the gun a REAL pocket carry BUG, also allows it to reach recoil velocity that other guns only dream of.

Also, keep in mind, I calculated these figures with a fully loaded gun. IIRC, my Scandium weighs 12 oz, unloaded.

That effects recoil considerably.
The Fioochi 148ís @ 1131 fps
Recoil Energy of 13 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 29 fps.
With the last shot, and a near empty gun, it weighs 12 oz. This changes the recoil to Recoil Energy of 16 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 38 fps.

That last recoil velocity figure shows how much of a difference, nearly 25% in recoil speed, gun weight makes with very light guns.

Stepping up the the Model 60, and you cut the velocity speed in half, and, it can take far heavier loads, and recoil velocity stays at a bearable rate. It also weighs easy twice what the 360PD does.

At BUG ranges, I figure the .357 has some advantages and disadvantages over the .38.

I shoot reasonably well Flat point, 130 grain @ 950 fps .38's. They recoil at:
Recoil Energy of 7 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 21 fps.
That's about the only .38 load I'd like to carry, since any of the HP loads are really marginal on penetration, except Buffalobores 158 grain, 1040 fps heavy 38 load, and, that recoils the exact same as the Fioochi 357 mag ammo.

Hope this helps.

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