Springfield EMP questions...


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Balrog
December 15, 2010, 03:33 PM
I have been thinking about getting a Springfield EMP in 9mm... and was wondering... how reliable are these guns? Are they prone to any failures to feed or eject?
Has yours been reliable?
Does it feed hollow points well?

Also, do they shoot +P ammo? or does it need to be standard pressure 9mm ammo?

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Quack
December 15, 2010, 03:39 PM
they are reliable, but there may be initial issues when you get a new one. mine had the extractor tension too tight, but i fixed it at the range after the first 50 rounds. It's been good ever since then (2 years ago).

I use 124gr +P Speer Gold-Dots and haven't had a problem. i've also used Hornady and Cor-Bon ammo as well.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1009301811_fyEgU-L.jpg

Balrog
December 15, 2010, 04:10 PM
Does it really carry and conceal any better than a 1911 with equivalent barrel length?

Quack
December 15, 2010, 04:15 PM
same as any 3" alloy 1911, but it's a 9mm/40S&W

Balrog
December 15, 2010, 04:17 PM
Is it thinner than a standard 1911 through the slide area?

If it isnt thinner and doesnt conceal and carry any better, I am not sure I am interested.

harmon rabb
December 15, 2010, 04:30 PM
iirc, it's not any thinner than any other officer's frame 1911. the dimensions that are shortened are the width of the grip, not the thickness (so therefore the reach to the trigger is smaller than an officer's frame 1911).

mine should be here in a day or two :D

Quack
December 15, 2010, 04:32 PM
the width difference is negligible.
the key point of it is that it is RELIABLE since it's designed around the shorter 9mm/40S&W round.

reliability in the .45ACP 1911's goes down when you start shortening the length, more so when you go below a Commander length. Have you ever noticed that NONE of the semi-custom builders have a 3" 1911? Why? reliability.

harmon rabb
December 15, 2010, 04:37 PM
actually, the EMP was designed for .45GAP. then springfield realized nobody gave a crap about .45GAP, rechambered it in 9mm, and released it.

if it had originally been designed for 9mm, i think the slide could be a bit thinner, as could the grip.

Fastcast
December 15, 2010, 04:40 PM
mine should be here in a day or two :D

:) Congrats Harmon!......Be sure to post a range report.

harmon rabb
December 15, 2010, 04:43 PM
Congrats Harmon!......Be sure to post a range report

I ordered it from Dawson Precision and had them do an action job on it first. So, I expect my range report should be glowing :D This is my christmas present to myself... and the most expensive gun I have ever purchased :o

Fastcast
December 15, 2010, 05:08 PM
Haha....Just placed an order for my Christmas present to myself :).....A Woolrich Original Stag jacket. It does piss me off they're not made in PA anymore but it's still a great jacket.

BTW.....My present cost much less than your EMP. :cool:

Walkalong
December 15, 2010, 05:14 PM
Mine runs like a Swiss watch. Great little 9MM.

wgp
December 15, 2010, 10:06 PM
Bought a 9mm EMP, put 150 or so rounds of 124 gr FMJ and then several magazines of Hornady 124 gr JHP. No malfunctions of any kind, like it a lot, seems like a beautifully made pistol. I also have a Para Carry 9 and they are very similar in dimensions (and my Para is also a very good pistol) but it seems to me that the EMP is noticebly shorter front-to-back in the grip, which I like. I also like the ambi safety. Expensive but I am very happy with it.

Inspiribomb
December 15, 2010, 10:31 PM
I loved my EMP 40 when I had it. I switched over to 9mm and sold off all my 40's. Been wanting to pick up another in 9mm ever since. Probably a birthday present to myself, looking for the right deal. Its a lot of money, but it an exceptionally well made firearm.

Balrog
December 15, 2010, 11:58 PM
How much are EMP's in 9mm going for?

BamAlmighty
December 16, 2010, 02:18 AM
the few places I checked wanted $1000 +/- $50

duncan
December 19, 2010, 02:00 AM
A few guys over at AR15.com are having problems with their extractors AND its a two year old thread.

I'd be concerned if it was orginally designed for 45 ACP with it's heavier recoil.

A few of those guys tinkered with them and then sent their EMPs back.

I'd look for an older SA Ultra Compact in 9mm. Miss mine. Fed everthing.

Lonestar49
December 19, 2010, 02:27 PM
I'd be concerned if it was orginally designed for 45 ACP with it's heavier recoil.


...

Couple of thoughts for ya all..

The 9mm EMP 1911 was built from the ground up specifically for the 9mm - thus the very thin grips and the thin mags, holding 9, 9mm bullets fit snug, like a glove.

See here:

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/spemp_010807/index1.html

And watch here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PZMyKvYdWM


Now, I'm not sure, haven't a clue, but maybe the EMP 1911 "40cal" may have been "cut" down from their Champion/Micro line of 45, really don't know.. but the EMP 9mm was, and is, built from the ground up and IMO, is one of the reasons they command such a high price along with their dependably, be it 2-hand grip or one handed shots.. Mine has gone, just over 7k flawless rounds with an occasional weak or bad bullet from time to time, but other than that clearing drill, I have full confidence with my SA EMP 1911 9mm.

As far as that 2yr old thread and, some, early owner's with guns in the serial numbered 2649 and back could, well, have had feed problems or extraction problems - as SA changed the angle of the feed ramps starting from 2650 up with the feed ramp issues, to-tight chamber issues, and some extractor issues..

As was told to me by an SA gunny via SA's outstanding CS over the phone (first class operation IMO)

And was assured, if I just polish my feed ramp and chamber, my occasional FT^Feed problem should clear up and he was right and that was from 1450 rounds on up, now, thru, as mentioned, just over 7K blissful rounds.



Ls

Walkalong
December 19, 2010, 04:14 PM
SA changed the angle of the feed ramps starting from 2650 up with the feed ramp issues, to-tight chamber issues, and some extractor issues..My 3 digit EMP had a tight chamber. SA fixed it for free. It has never failed to feed or fire anything that would fit in the chamber. Since being fixed any commercial ammo will fit, as well as my reloads, as long as I gauge the sized brass to get rid of over sized brass. If it fits the gauge, the EMP runs with it like a finely tuned machine. I polished the ramp and chamber after SA opened it up a hair with a reamer. It feeds any bullet shape.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6264758&postcount=43

harmon rabb
December 19, 2010, 04:58 PM
Since this is an EMP thread, can someone tell me if the wood grips are thinner than the G10 grips? My EMP came with the G10 grips, and they seem to add a lot of width to the grip that doesn't need ot be there.

Walkalong
December 19, 2010, 06:00 PM
I do not know, but if they do add width, I would prefer them to the thin grips. Different strokes and all that.

harmon rabb
December 19, 2010, 06:03 PM
If I didn't care about the size of a carry gun, I wouldn't have bought an EMP :D

9mmepiphany
December 19, 2010, 08:33 PM
I didn't feel much difference when I handled the two. If you'd like thinner grips, I'd recommend Alumagrips

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qMxB7Kp8E4U/S76vCIhkOzI/AAAAAAAAAeY/j498gRw28lw/s1600/DSC03148.JPG

harmon rabb
December 19, 2010, 09:06 PM
but the alumagrips are so ugly :(

9mmepiphany
December 19, 2010, 09:46 PM
but the alumagrips are so ugly
I rather like the look...this picture is from Ken Lunde's collection...I like the flattened diamonds and the grain/texture of the slabs

http://lundestudio.com/photos/emp-agbtc-right-full.jpg

harmon rabb
December 19, 2010, 10:09 PM
that's actually not so bad..

i wish they had a grip that matched the color of the slide exactly.

Walkalong
December 19, 2010, 10:16 PM
If I didn't care about the size of a carry gun, I wouldn't have bought an EMPThey would still be much thinner than the double sided safety. A little fatter grip would in no way hamper carry IMHO.

Those alumagrips sure do look cool. How are they in the cold?

harmon rabb
December 19, 2010, 10:45 PM
I had a single sided safety installed on mine ;)

Walkalong
December 19, 2010, 11:28 PM
I did the same, but put the original back in for now.

Quack
December 19, 2010, 11:33 PM
slim Horned lizards.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1006288062_AMtEp-M.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1009301811_fyEgU-L.jpg

harmon rabb
December 20, 2010, 07:35 AM
Quack, where can I buy those?

Quack
December 20, 2010, 10:03 AM
Larry Davidson makes them. He also makes the factory G10's for the EMP.

Lonestar49
December 23, 2010, 05:33 PM
...

The factory wood grips are by no means thick.. nor is the the thin grip

Kinda hard but you can look at the bottoms (of the actual wood grips) vs the above pic in post #25 and grips..

I like them both - a lot

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/Lonestar49/emp-left-flat.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/Lonestar49/emp-right-flat.jpg



Luck,


Ls

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