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hapidogbreath
December 15, 2010, 09:51 PM
Looking for a powder that meters well. Pulled a few factory NATO Issue rounds found that they had a VERY short extruded powder. Shorter than Varget. I am looking to duplicate a factory load . Using 62 GR ss109 bullets. Any help would be Great!!!!:)

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627PCFan
December 15, 2010, 09:56 PM
Good luck with that search. If anything 322 is sounds similar, but guessing wont get you much-

jpwilly
December 15, 2010, 10:07 PM
Short stick and ball powders meter well...

JDGray
December 15, 2010, 10:09 PM
H335 meters very well;)

squarles67
December 15, 2010, 10:17 PM
Win 748

Wildbillz
December 15, 2010, 10:40 PM
AA2230 Made for the 5.56mm round and and meters through my 550B like a dream. Win 748 worked well for me all so.

Also have used a little bit of Win 846 (cross ref BLC-2 or Win 748) surplus pull down powder. Still working up a good load with it but it looks promising. There is a bit of Win 844 (cross ref H335) on the market also that is pull down powder.

I have been using 55grn FMJ pull down bullets and CCI #41 primers. Going to try some 62grn ones later on.

WB

NCsmitty
December 15, 2010, 10:41 PM
There is no way to know what the NATO powder might be. You can only attempt to duplicate ballistics of the load.
As others have mentioned, H335 is a ball powder that meters through a measure very slick and is a popular powder for AR use.
BLC2 and Win 748 are other powders that give good results in the 223. I would use magnum SR primers with ball powders, but that's up to you.



NCsmitty

Eb1
December 16, 2010, 12:01 AM
For the 55 to 62 grain bullets. H335 is hard, very hard to beat.

cfullgraf
December 16, 2010, 12:18 AM
Another vote for Accurate 2230. I use it in lots of my 223 Remington loads, both varmint loads and 55 FMJs.

Littlewolf
December 16, 2010, 01:07 AM
In regards to the short grain extruded powder in the pulled cartridges, it very likely could be similar to [or possibly be] Accurate 2015. That is a short single base extruded powder that performs well with 223 Remington loads. Maybe that helps, for what it's worth. :D

Littlewolf

ArchAngelCD
December 16, 2010, 02:13 AM
H335 is the "classic" .223/5.56mm powder and will get you very close to factory ammo and it meters well too.

I see BL-C(2) mentioned above, that will work but that's a better powder in the other NATO round, the 7.62X51mm/.308 Winchester.

That said, I have gotten very good results with Varget especially with 55gr bullets. That's also worth a try in duplicating the NATO ammo. Just remember military 5.56mm brass has less case capacity than commercial .223 brass so adjust your charge weights accordingly.

Remo-99
December 16, 2010, 04:28 AM
Another powder to consider is Hodgdon Benchmark, extruded powder made extra short cut so it meters well.
It was giving me some nice results in 223rem, before I decided to give Varget a try, as I'm using Varget in my 308win plus 243win and trying to minimise my powder types on hand.

Like already mentioned W-748 and H335 are also great powders in the 223rem.

nastynatesfish
December 16, 2010, 09:08 AM
Alliant reloader 10x

sig2009
December 16, 2010, 01:54 PM
Here you go!
http://www.223reloads.com/home/223-5-56-info/223-5-56-reloading

Xfire68
December 16, 2010, 02:03 PM
I have used Benchmark, Varget and I now use TAC which I like the most because it's economical, meters great and shoots great!

For the 62g green tips I have used 23.0g-25.0g of TAC.

Glock20
December 16, 2010, 02:52 PM
I've used H322, H335, Varget, RL-10, BLC-2, 4895 and Benchmark and each of these has shot 1/2" or less MOA and had RL-10 give me a 3 shot group of 3/4" at 200 yards. All with 55gr Nosler BT or Hornady Vmax. BTW - Midway's Dogtown bullets are showing a lot of promise at a much lower cost.
Obviously, some powders meter better than others, I'm just trying to stick with one or two and call it good, but then I think "dang, maybe that one is a little bit better"....

rduckwor
December 16, 2010, 03:59 PM
Ramshot TAC 23-26Gr behind a 55Gr FMJ bullet.

RMD

Offfhand
December 16, 2010, 05:01 PM
Go to Hodgdon web and check out IMR8208XBR. It has become the top choice of accuracy geeks for the .223 and several other calibers. (One of the winners at the 2010 SuperShoot was uisng it.) It is an extruded propellent with very small grain size and feeds through powder measures beautifully. Was actually developed by ADI for military and very stable in wide range of temperatures. Very clean burning as well, which is another reason it is so popular with the accuracy crowd.

Mags
December 16, 2010, 05:05 PM
I started using TAC when I began loading for 223 it was not accurate as I wanted it to be with 55 grain FMJ and VMax. I now use IMR 4895 and I like it. As a matter of fact if anyone in NM wants to trade a pound of IMR 4895 for a pound of TAC PM me.

FlyinBryan
December 16, 2010, 05:16 PM
h322 is the best metering extruded powder ive used.

one other reason i really like the 322 is that you can load 22g behind 55g fmj bullets as opposed to 26-27 with many other powders. this essentially means that every 6th or 7th round is a "gimme"

its not the highest velocity that you can achieve, but i chrono everything, and im getting roughly 2900fps out of a 16" ar, and very consistent sub m.o.a. (usually .7-.9" @100YDS)

I also use h335, varget, and benchmark, but most of my 223 gets h322.

68wj
December 16, 2010, 10:29 PM
h322 is the best metering extruded powder ive used.

one other reason i really like the 322 is that you can load 22g behind 55g fmj bullets as opposed to 26-27 with many other powders. this essentially means that every 6th or 7th round is a "gimme"

its not the highest velocity that you can achieve, but i chrono everything, and im getting roughly 2900fps out of a 16" ar, and very consistent sub m.o.a. (usually .7-.9" @100YDS)

I also use h335, varget, and benchmark, but most of my 223 gets h322.
Glad to hear that! I have two boxes of .223 with 22gr of 322 (say that 3 times) ready to try out. If everything checks out, I will be down to only 4 powders between all rifle and handgun cartridges that I load for.

BigBob3006
December 21, 2010, 08:57 PM
You might want to look at Hodgdon Benchmark. It is a short, small diameter extruded powder intended for cases with about .223 capacity. Worked fine in a .222 with a 55gr bullet.

Ian Sean
December 21, 2010, 09:44 PM
H332 is a great performer and as FlyinBryan noted, you don't need as much and get an extra powder charge out of ever 5 or 6 or so compared to others.

I have a good load built up for the 62 ss109's using H332, H335 and Varget. My go to powder is H332 for plinking, you should be able to build up a load replicating the Nato performance with it, and you will probably do better.

Curious if you weighed the powder charges from the Nato rounds you pulled. What was the charge weight?

Walkalong
December 21, 2010, 10:02 PM
it very likely could be similar to [or possibly be] Accurate 2015. 2015 is a short stick powder that meters very well and shoots great in .223 (and .222 Mag). H-322 is similar in size and meters great. The fairly new 8208 is even finer and is getting great reviews. Naturally any of the ball powders that shoot well in .223 (W-748, H-335, AA 2230, TAC, etc) will all meter superbly.

Waywatcher
December 22, 2010, 12:25 AM
Varget is metering phenomonally well in my Uniflow using the smaller pistol drum. +/- 0.05 grain!

Par8head
December 22, 2010, 10:01 AM
Alliant RL 15 is a short, extruded; it meters very well through either my Uniflow or Dillon 550. Using 68 gr HPBT 25 gr 2.25 OAL
As previously mentioned have also used TAC (ball) but it's not quite as accurate in my rifle - Noveske Lt Recce

vernosr1
December 22, 2010, 02:09 PM
Win 748 and BLC2 are my hands down favorites.

Given the above 2 choices are available, I would surely skip past IMR 4198 or H4198 due to choppy metering...although they do work well.

Skip_a_roo
December 22, 2010, 02:38 PM
I have two 223 go to loads. One is with a 69gr HPBT with a maximum charge of Varget and the other is a 55gr FMJBT with a maximum charge of BLC-(2).

The only reason for the difference is because of how I produce them. I run my 223 loads on a Dillon XL650. When that baby locks into place, it does so with a real "snap". When loading the Varget rounds, the case is so full that that motion causes the powder to "slosh" out of the case a bit. Since the 69gr loads are for target/long range sniper type of shooting and I need far less of them, I can go slow and hold the shell plate to keep this from happening. When I load the 55gr load, I am making range fodder. The BLC-(2) loads, while still maximum, don't fill the case as full and no "sloshing" occurs.

Both perform well in my AR-15 by DPMS. It has a 1:9" twist. MOA with the heavier bullets. MOBG (minute of bad guy) with the other! ;)

ArchAngelCD
December 24, 2010, 02:40 AM
I have two 223 go to loads. One is with a 69gr HPBT with a maximum charge of Varget and the other is a 55gr FMJBT with a maximum charge of BLC-(2).
Ship,
You like BL-C(2) in the .223 with a 55gr bullet over H335? Like I said above, I've found BL-C(2) works better in the other NATO round.(the 7.62X51mm)

I found a sub 1/2MOA load for a 55gr .223 round shot from my bolt action Howa 1500 using Varget.

jake556
December 24, 2010, 10:26 AM
Varget meters well on my 550. Benchmark would be my next choice its smaller than Varget.

cheygriz
December 24, 2010, 01:04 PM
I've been using the powder that Winchester specifically developed for the 5.56 Nato with excelllent results for over 30 years. Never had a desire to change it.

H335 :):)

hapidogbreath
December 24, 2010, 10:26 PM
Pulled Charge weight was 23.8 Grs and appeared to fill the caseto the top of the shoulder.

dc.fireman
December 24, 2010, 10:32 PM
Isn't IMR 4895 the choice for NATO? Or is it the choice for Lake City ammo..?

23.8 gr. could be just about anything I suppose. I have an affinity for both 4895, and Varget, but for the big machine latley I've been using 2460, for it's watery metering characteristics, and I plan on trying the Benchmark, H8208, and 2230 pretty soon.

So many choices! So little time!

mickeygrimreaperblueeyes
December 24, 2010, 10:36 PM
I like BLC-2, it is good for my .223 and I use it in my .308. It was designed for the military. I copied and pasted the notes from the Hogdon site about it. I use it for my bolt guns and my semi autos. the 62 grains will fly just fine with it.

"A spherical powder that began as a military powder used in the 7.62 NATO, commonly known as the 308 Winchester. When it was first introduced to the handloader, benchrest shooters and other target shooters made it an instant success. BL-C(2) works extremely well in the 204 Ruger, 223 Remington, 17 Remington, 22 PPC and of course, the 308 Winchester, plus many more. Available in 1 lb. & 8 lb. containers."
http://www.hodgdon.com/rifle.html

ArchAngelCD
December 25, 2010, 02:28 AM
mickey,
Right above that is the description for H335 and it states:
Originated as a military powder, used for the 5.56 NATO, or 223 Remington as handloaders know it. Obviously, it sees endless use in the 222 Remington, 223 Remington and other small cartridges. In particular, prairie dog shooters will find this a favorite, as J.B. Hodgdon has for years!
So yes BL-C(2) can be used for the .308 and .223 but Hodgdon is telling you the original powder for the .223 was H335.

jem102
December 26, 2010, 03:45 PM
AA2230 for that bullet and Rem 7.5 for hot loads. If you stay with moderate loadings WSR's and 2230 are a great match for bullets under 70 gr.

As an example if your rifle won't shoot with the 60 gr. SVHP over 24.3 gr of AA2230 with the WSR or Rem 7.5 you have a rifle problem IMO.

For the 62 gr. I would start @ 24.0 gr and work up .2 at a time to 25.0 with overlaid targets. Somewhere in there you will find a sweet spot. (Please remember this is not the worlds most accurate bullet.) This powder will also meter to .1 gr. all day long in any half way decent meter.

IMR-4895 will work in the same load range but does not meter as well.

Shawn Dodson
December 26, 2010, 05:51 PM
I use H322 for both .223 and 6.8.

My standard .223 load uses 24.5gr H322 to propel Hornady 55gr FMJ-BT at 2940 fps (chronographed) from a 16" bbl.

I've loaded .223 to 5.56 pressure using 26.0gr H322 to propel Hornady 55gr FMJ-BT to 3100 fps (chronographed) from a 16" bbl.

I really like H322 - it consistently meters very well in my RCBS Pro-2000 progressive press.

Ky Larry
December 26, 2010, 07:17 PM
Why are you looking to duplicate a factory load? Why not try to find the most accurate, reliable, safe load for your particular rifle? Just about any powder will give you good performance in the .223. It's hard to find a bad combination. IMR-4064 is a stick powder but it shoots very well with 60gr bullets. Good luck.

Redneck with a 40
December 26, 2010, 08:54 PM
I'm a big fan of H4895, for 50-69 grain bullets. It really pushes them hard and its accurate.

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