RKBA at year's end: good, bad, and ambiguous


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Mark Tyson
December 24, 2003, 10:38 PM
It's time to take stock of our accomplishments and our setbacks in the struggle for freedom.

What happened in 2003 that affects the right to bear arms? How are our rights looking compared to 2002? What went right? What went wrong? What have we learned?

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Monkeyleg
December 25, 2003, 08:07 PM
The RKBA movement has been making steady progress the last couple of years, and 2003 was no exception. Certainly there were some ridiculous laws passed in a couple of states, but more states showed progress. Alaska went Vermont-style for CCW. Missouri went from no-issue to shall-issue, with the permit system now awaiting what I have to believe is a slam-dunk decision from the state's high court. Minnesota and Colorado went from may-issue to shall-issue.

The anti-gun forces have been forced to muzzle themselves as much as possible in the political arena, lest their candidates self-destruct in the battleground states.

The current Democrat presidential front-runner is now forced to simultaneously defend and brag about his prior NRA "A" rating.

Chuck Schumer has been forced to acknowledge that the Second Amendment does exist.

All in all, not a bad year!

longeyes
December 25, 2003, 10:29 PM
While I think Monkeyleg is, on one level, correct, my sense is that RKBA remains a seriously endangered species. The educational and cultural institutions of this country are radically anti-gun, as they are radically anti-freedom. We are, among developed nations, virtually an island in even acknowledging that firearms have social and political value, and the appeals to conform to the global "sanity" increase by the day. The Supreme Court looks across the Atlantic to justify its decisions. Our media see gun owners as atavistic adolescents. Our schoolteachers preach quiescence and conformity. I think it is going to be a long, hard slog to keep our rights to self-defense and defense against tyranny alive. At some point we are going to have to move from the keyboard to the streets, I expect.

MicroBalrog
December 26, 2003, 03:34 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30762

When I wrote it, I did not expect Alaska to get Vermont-style CCW this year.

When I wrote it, I dd not expect Missouri to get shall-issue CCW this year.

When I wrote it, I did not expect the DLC to reword their platform to be more pro-gun.

When I wrote it, I did not expect Russia to pass a law to eliminate criminal penalties for illicit possession of some firearms.

When I wrote it, I did not expect Gov. Taft to say he might sign Ohio CCW (bad as that bill is).

HBK
December 26, 2003, 03:54 PM
I think that 2004 will be the most important year in our history in regards to the RKBA. We have won victories this year and last, but 2004 may very well determine our RKBA destinies for the next 100 years. The result could be :uhoh: or :D . Personally, I'm working, praying and hoping for :D .

sturmruger
December 26, 2003, 05:33 PM
I am very optimistic about the upcoming year. I am excited to see what is instore for WI, and OH. I pary everyday that they will both change for the better.

longeyes
December 26, 2003, 09:38 PM
It's good to be optimistic, Highroaders, but do a personal survey of 50 people under 30 and see how many think RKBA is an essential part of future American society. Then ask yourself what needs to be done to make sure this is not the last generation that believes in the Second Amendment. Unless there are general and pervasive reforms in what's being taught K through grad school and unless we develop some vocal and persuasive spokespeople in the culture for firearms rights, you are looking at RKBA being submerged in a globalist consumerism that doesn't fear "soft" tyranny but rather embraces it.

fallingblock
December 27, 2003, 03:18 AM
for RKBA in Australia.:mad:

I fear that despite some encouraging signs in the U.S., longeyes words are well worth heeding:

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"Then ask yourself what needs to be done to make sure this is not the last generation that believes in the Second Amendment. Unless there are general and pervasive reforms in what's being taught K through grad school and unless we develop some vocal and persuasive spokespeople in the culture for firearms rights, you are looking at RKBA being submerged in a globalist consumerism that doesn't fear "soft" tyranny but rather embraces it."
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The U.S., like Australia, now relies heavily on the urban/suburban majority for setting 'cultural values', which increasingly do not include an appreciation of the role which widespread firearms ownership plays in retaining liberty.

The drive to global consumerism is real, as is the left's domination of education at all levels. Our RKBA is not-so-gradually being 'taught out' of the next generation.

We will have a struggle to reclaim the educational process from the left and promote the Second Amendment as a keystone of the Constitution.

But the alternative may well be following the rest of the world into that leftist consumer paradise where the government will make us 'safe' .:barf:

Guntalk
December 28, 2003, 02:22 PM
Although many gun owners don't immediately recognize how it will help them, the passage of S659 (pre-emption of junk lawsuits against gun companies) will be a huge benefit to all of us.

If it passes.

Barbara
December 28, 2003, 03:48 PM
Here we have our own special RKBA problems but I don't think they'll be really evident for several years.

We did manage to get some decent new hunting legislation passed, I guess that's good.

Balog
December 28, 2003, 04:04 PM
I'd say we'll see more states turning pro-RKBA.
I'd also say we'll see more federal decisions against the RKBA.

Ultimately it's our statist anti-freedom educational system that will doom the RKBA. Every day more kids are brainwashed into good little sheep.

Barbara
December 28, 2003, 04:11 PM
Ah, we're going the direct route here. We're giving our gun rights group to a powerful, well funded, leftist group.

El Tejon
December 28, 2003, 04:14 PM
Guntalk, excellent point, sir. Closing this backdoor should by our immediate goal.

We need to maintain the initiative. Attack, attack, attack--CCW in Wisconsin, Ohio, etc. For too long the NRA has sat around and only responded to attacks. We need to ensure that we maintain the offensive.:)

longeyes
December 29, 2003, 12:32 PM
The premise of this question implies that we are one nation. Increasingly, we are not. That will become manifest in the not so distant future. One country wants freedom, the other socialism; one country wants RKBA, the other doesn't. Where this ends up remains to be seen.

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