Rimfire at 100 yards?


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bowzette
December 16, 2010, 06:54 PM
for puching paper with an accutate rife at 100 yards will good quality .22 LR group well or would the .22 mag be better? I thinking of getting a CZ 455 or a Salvage Mark II series with a descent scope.

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highorder
December 16, 2010, 07:01 PM
.22lr will be fine, unless you feel like spending lots of money on .22 Mag ammo.

In most cases, the .22lr will be more accurate, as there is match ammo available.

GIJOEL
December 16, 2010, 07:11 PM
I think the .22 lr would be better for a few reasons.

1.) More availability of target ammo
2.) Generally speaking .22 lr is more accurate under 100 yards
3.) Generally cheaper ammo (a buck is a buck right?)

That's just my opinion, I have a CZ 452 and love it. It shoots under an inch at 100 yards with most CCI ammo, and with the right target ammo I can pick the staples off of my target on the first shot.

True Grit
December 16, 2010, 07:20 PM
<Deleted start of thread drift> You can pick up a marlin bolt action .22 magnum for $200 or less if you do your home work, and if ammo price is a concern buy you some cheap CCI ammo. I've shot tons of it in mine and I've never had a problem. I would 10 times rather take my magnum out shooting than my long rifle.

PO2Hammer
December 16, 2010, 07:26 PM
I get more accuracy from the .22WMR at 100 yards than the .22lr, but I don't buy high end guns.
My CZ .22WMR Lux is my most accurate rimfire, besting my 10/22 w/match trigger parts and my CZ Trainer and Scout.
1" groups (rested) with 4X scope and several brands of ammo are the norm for my Lux. Even cheap Federal Champion will do 1-1/2".
Love the maggie.

UT PROSIM
December 16, 2010, 07:32 PM
I have a 10/22 that i picked up for 200 bucks last week. it is great at 100 yards, even with the stock barrel i was able to hit a 3" swing plate about every other shot. My buddy has one with a $80 A&B target barrel and can keep groups at about 1" at 100 yards.

x_wrench
December 16, 2010, 07:33 PM
i am not sure there is any money to be saved if you are buying 22lr MATCH AMMO! midway lists eley match ammo @ $13.79 for a box of 50, and cci maxi mags at $11.49 for a box of 50. now, unless my math is wrong, that is about a buck and a half more for match ammo than maxi-mags. my marlin 22 mag shoots best with them. i am sure other folks rifles have other favorites. anyway, my little marlin and i have no problem shooting bottle caps @ 75 yards.

Lovesbeer99
December 16, 2010, 07:38 PM
I use my Henry H001 at 100 yards for plinking at cans and baseballs. I use my Marlin 2000 at 100 yards at an NRA target that simulates 300 yards and I can keep all my shots in the 10 ring from prone if I do my part with wolf match ammo.

.22 is no problem for 100 yard accurate target shooting.

Marlin 45 carbine
December 16, 2010, 07:51 PM
some years back I got a M60 Marlin in trade for some owed welding work bill.
like a fool I sold it to a nephew at a good price due to his b-day.
he took it completely down (he's maintanence at local college) for cleaning, tightening and such and added Simmons 4X glass.
practices on walnuts @/50 yds offhand. any man sized target @/100 yds ain't got a chance.

bayou28
December 16, 2010, 07:56 PM
If the price of ammo is not to big of a deal and accuracy is what you want look at a .17HMR. They shoot great out to 200yds. Ammo is about $12 for 50rds.

Mr Bernoulli
December 16, 2010, 08:03 PM
I second the 17 hmr I have a marlin 917v thing is a tack driver literally! Dime groups at 100 yds and ammo just as much as 22 mag and its not really that bad. Not to mention it does a number on all sorts of varmints. Only one downfall to it is that there is a limited amount of ammo types, FMJ and the V-max only I think correct me if I am wrong. This is all I have come across when looking briefly on the internet and in stores. But those V-max are great! The 17 takes rimfire to a whole new level!

Hunterdad
December 16, 2010, 08:19 PM
I got half dollar sized groups with my Savage Stainless 93BTVS in 22mag at 125yds.

clem
December 16, 2010, 08:24 PM
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b213/clemdoggie/17HMR005-2.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b213/clemdoggie/SAVAGE17HMR006.jpg

The target is NOT mine, but it shows the potential with the rifle and round at 200 yds.

Any questions?

highorder
December 16, 2010, 08:27 PM
Nice shootin' clem!

(are you sure that's not a clipboard and a jumbo novelty nickel?) ;)

Karl Hungus
December 16, 2010, 08:27 PM
I can hit 2" x 4" chunks of angle iron at 200 yards with my modified 10/22 Target and CCI Green Tag pretty easily. Green Tag is not cheap though. About $15 / 100rnds.

788Ham
December 16, 2010, 08:40 PM
My buddy and I shoot his Win. model 52 .22 w/scope quite often, it will peg them into 1" circle @ 100 yds quite often, using Federal ammo. Not sure which scope he has on it, nicest .22 I've ever shot.

Shoot one of your chickens and hang it on a fence, then maybe the hawks will leave you alone.:neener:

GambJoe
December 16, 2010, 10:28 PM
How do any of you get 100 yard moa from a 22 lr? Best I've got at 50 yards was 2". When I shoot at 100 that spreads out to 12". I blame the wind and my ammo. Can't be my marksmanship.:( Can it?

Black Frog
December 16, 2010, 10:35 PM
17HMR is a great round, and incredibly fun to shoot.

Inherently accurate for some reason, even the cheap rifles shoot well.

Right now Dick's Sporting Goods has a sale going on... A Savage bull barrel with laminated thumb stock AND included mounts with scope for $299. That is a DEAL.

I have that same gun, and a similar Marlin 17. Windy days can play hell with them tiny bullets, but on nice days both guns can keep 10 shots within an inch at 100yds.

PT1911
December 16, 2010, 10:50 PM
I have a CZ 452 in 17mach II that i picked up last month... Finally got to take it to the range last week and was more than impressed... at 25 yds.... 1 hole groups... at 50 yds... 1 hole groups... out to one hundred (windy day) the groups opened up somewhat, but I do somewhat blame myself for that.... still managed to keep them under 3 inches but i have no doubt whatsoever that the gun is capable of 1 inch at 100 yds... I look forward to actually sitting down with my rest and seeing just what i can do with it... the most impressive part is that the gun is dead on from 25 yds to 100 with NO adjustment.

Tim the student
December 16, 2010, 11:39 PM
.22 can be surprisingly precise at 100 yards with good ammo (and for me, a wind free day.)

Dr.Rob
December 17, 2010, 12:23 AM
This is a really basic set up, Marlin 995, 1.5-4.5x Weaver scope, Federal Lightning bulk pack ammo. I wasn't really taking my time for this 100 yard group but that's still pretty good for a 30 year old pinned barrel semi auto.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=36391&d=1141242343

That's certainly good enough accuracy to kill a prarie dog at 100 yards.

I've shot tighter groups with a bull barrel 22 mag, and there is a range advantage BUT the cost of ammo is significantly different between .22LR and .22 WMR.

See the results for a .17HMR here as well: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=186289&highlight=marlin+995

Soupy44
December 17, 2010, 12:36 AM
The generally accepted potential of a .22lr at 100y is 1in. By that, I mean every shot hitting a quarter on a calm day. This past May, I hit a 1in X-ring at 100y 20 straight times in a smallbore match.

If you are good with the wind and have a capable rifle, you should have little problem keeping all you shots in a 2in circle (the 10 ring). Note that doing that will have you in the master class in a smallbore prone match.

I don't have much experience with any .22lr other than Anschutz and other high end smallbore match rifles. But I know you are rediculously lucky to find ammo that groups 1in at 100y without spending an arm and a leg for it. My last ammo batch was $600 per 5000 rounds. And I only got away that cheap by testing a dozen lots of ammo in my gun and adjusting the bedding screw torque settings to tune the groups in.

I've shot crap ammo at 100y that barely held a 3in circle and had flyers as far out as 6in. I guess the moral of my story is if you want to hit a quarter with true regularity (by my definition), you're going to have to work at it big time. I've been working at it for over 3/4 of my life and I don't have it down yet.

Pigspitter
December 17, 2010, 12:38 AM
I can hit steel with my mostly factory 10/22 at 200 and i can get 2in groups with both the henry and the 10/22 at 100. Squirrels are tough, but it's not terribly difficult to hit them at 100.

Onmilo
December 17, 2010, 09:03 AM
Black Frog is onto something with that .17HMR suggestion.
While I don't have much use for them on the hunting fields, where they really do seem to shine is on the longer rimfire target ranges.

I don't know if it is because it bucks the wind better than the .22 or it is just the flat shooting characteristics of the round but in a well tuned rifle the cartridge really does extremely well at 100-200 meters.

kludge
December 17, 2010, 09:19 AM
The .22LR is falling pretty fast at 100 yards, even match ammo will open up to >1 MOA at that distance. My 5-shot groups (w/match ammo) run 0.3" to 0.4" on average at 50yd, and I have a few groups under 1/4", but I've yet to shoot a sub-MOA group at 100yd. Without wind the best I can manage from the bench and sandbags is ~1-1/4".,

Accuracy of the .22 WMR and .17 HMR are much better at 100yd. It's not that the bullets buck the wind any better or have lower SD and ES, it's just that they get to the target twice as fast, so the effects don't show up yet.

jimmyraythomason
December 17, 2010, 09:26 AM
I prefer the .22 magnum(over .22lr) for 100 yard targets. Not nearly as much wind drift.

highorder
December 17, 2010, 10:23 AM
BUT the cost of ammo is significantly different between .22LR and .22 WMR.

For plinking, this is my main concern.

I recently had a chance to fire 100 rounds through a Marlin bolt gun in .17HMR, I I was impressed. It was quite accurate at 155 yards (laser verified), and not as loud as I thought it was going to be. (I still had my muffs on, but was expecting more)

Daizee
December 17, 2010, 10:40 AM
My CZ-452 .22LR will do 0.5" at 50yds w/ a scope and rest, and CCI Velocitors. They're about $7-$8/50 and the fastest full-weight .22LR out there.

-Daizee

bobleeswagger
December 17, 2010, 11:15 AM
I shoot clay pigeons at 130 with my 39A. Pretty sweet rig. Using bulk federal ammo and iron sights, btw.

KosmicKrunch
December 17, 2010, 04:11 PM
Even with my worse than legally blind status, when I shoot my Savage 1925 model 23a in .22lr and iron sights, I can hit the 1 foot high knock down ORANGE metal plates fairly well with CCI Stingers. That rilfe is an amazingly very accurate gun. I also have a Savage model 19 N.R.A. that is just as accurate although does have orig rear peep sights on it.

K-Rod
December 17, 2010, 04:34 PM
Clem,

How do you like that Richards Stock? I've been kicking tires for one for my .17HMR. How was the drop in? They claim 99%. How's it holding up? Please forgive me guys if I'm by chance kicking a dead horse here by asking about Richards Lammies but I just got turned on to them.

Btw, +1 on the .17HMR if your leaning towards the .22mag. You can get 20gr XTP, 17gr Vmax & now they have a 15.5gr NTX. $11-$12 a box of 50 through Natchez. I've used the XTP & Vmax on "Yotes" out to 175yrds DRT!!! It's like having a lasergun! Mine is the Savage 93R17 heavy barrel. Ugly as sin but great shooter. Picked it up at Cabelas with their Pine Ridge 3x9x40 for $200. The scope even has windage & elevation turrents clicked for the .17HMR. IMO it's a great out of the box package for the price. It's not a pretty CZ, but if accuracy with low cost is what your looking for you can't beat it.

788Ham
December 17, 2010, 11:43 PM
GambJoe,

The scope is set for 100 yds, naturally the wind isn't any 10 mph or faster, waste of ammo. However, his rifle is definitely the shooter, we've even shot golf balls off the target frame that far, try that! :D

joneb
December 18, 2010, 12:23 AM
Who the heck offed the 5mm Rem :confused: stupid is as stupid does.

UT PROSIM
December 18, 2010, 06:28 PM
i like 22lr personally, i have my cheap bulk shells for when i jsut want to shoot and have fun, but i also have match/target ammo for when i really want to be accurate.

i can pay 22 mag ammo prices for the good 22lr shells but still shoot the 3 cent shell in the same rifle when i want.

Geno
December 18, 2010, 07:46 PM
This is what I use:

http://www.bkltech.com/30mm_4x0_6_Rings_6_Screw_Unitized_Dovetail_Mount_p/bkl-360.htm

That mount will never shoot loose. :D

Geno

22-rimfire
December 18, 2010, 08:40 PM
I thinking of getting a CZ 455 or a Salvage Mark II series with a descent scope.

Either should work just fine in the medium price range. I like the Mueller APV 4.5-14x AO scope for longer range "plinking" with a 22LR (about $125). I would suggest you give Wolf Match Target a try as it shoots good in most rifles.

oldbanjo
December 18, 2010, 09:25 PM
There's other sites that show targets that have been shot with iron sights at 100yds w/22LR, it's amazing what they can do. Some people shoot 200yds with a 22LR. Some of the shooting a 50yds w/irons is as good or better than the Scoped Rifles. Lot's of them use Sub sonic ammo, it's more accurate. I wanted a 22 Rifle for that kind of shooting so I ordered a CZ452 Ultra Lux, I received it Tuesday, It has a 28 1/2" barrel. Due to the weather I haven't shot it yet. I have adjusted the Trigger and a few other things.
I put up a 27' Flag Pole and within a week a Hawk was perched on top of it. It was a pretty site. All around me are Farmers I dought he lived a week.

LTR shooter
December 19, 2010, 09:00 AM
My CZ 452 22lr does very well at 100 yds in calm conditions. Also used to own a 452 Lux in 22 mag some years ago. The two rifles were fairly close in acccuracy in the limited times I tested at 100 yards.

My Marlin 17 HMR shows very good 100 yard accuracy but I rarely shoot it because of price of ammo.

Redneck with a 40
December 19, 2010, 10:18 AM
I much prefer 22 mag at 100 yards, it has more energy at 100 yards then the 22 LR has at the muzzle. Flatter shooting too, its about 900 fps faster.

CraigC
December 19, 2010, 11:03 AM
I reckon it depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If you're just paper punching or plinking, the .17HMR will typically cut very tiny groups at 100yds but ammo is not inexpensive and that gets boring after a while. Building a good .22LR that will do MOA or better is a little more of a challenge. My latest 10/22 (actually Nodak NDS-22) with Clark midweight barrel and KID trigger will do ¾"@100yds with Wolf MT. Which was/is more fun than just going out and shooting half inch groups with the .17.

Slap a 20MOA base on your trusty .22 and get after the 200yd golf balls.

BrocLuno
December 19, 2010, 12:56 PM
My CZ-452 .22LR will do 0.5" at 50yds w/ a scope and rest, and CCI Velocitors. They're about $7-$8/50 and the fastest full-weight .22LR out there.

-Daizee
Faster than Aguila Super Max at around 1700 FPS?

hirundo82
December 19, 2010, 03:14 PM
Faster than Aguila Super Max at around 1700 FPS?

He said "fastest full-weight .22LR[/u]. The Aguila is 30gr @ 1750fps (per manufacturer), while the Velocitors are 40gr @ 1435fps. CCI Stinger is also faster than the Velocitor, but is only 32gr.

Carl N. Brown
December 19, 2010, 09:14 PM
Rimfire at 100 yards?
for puching paper with an accutate rife at 100 yards will good quality .22 LR group well or would the .22 mag be better? I thinking of getting a CZ 455 or a Salvage Mark II series with a descent scope.

I shot my son's CZ bolt action with Win SuperX at 100yds recently and got groups like I get with my Savage in .22 mag. Of course the LR drops more at 100yds than the WMR and may be a little more sensitive to the cross-wind, but for punching paper at 100 yds an accurate rifle with good quality .22 LR ammo will match .22 WMR accuracy with ease and the ammo tends to cost less.

Hangingrock
December 19, 2010, 09:19 PM
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc277/lowflash/IMG_2318A.jpg
Not @100yds. The CZ with a 4X-Leupold @ 50yds (holding center on a 2” square) trying to establish an ammunition preference. The really expensive ammunition was excellent as always but the Federal auto match wasn’t bad either. I have to do some tweaking on the CZ in regards to bedding and trigger system. Optics maybe more-X required.

noob_shooter
December 19, 2010, 11:03 PM
just grab a 17hmr rifle.. Cost slightly more to shoot, but who cares.. It ain't gonna make you broke. At least i hope not.. $12/box of 50 isn't bad. Who really shoots like 500 rounds a day anyway. i get bored after like a few boxes since the rifle is so accurate..

I own 2 savage 17hmr's and can easily do dime size groups at 100 yards if i do my part... nothing like a straight flat shot to 100 yards..

CraigC
December 20, 2010, 03:00 AM
Who really shoots like 500 rounds a day anyway.
I do. If I shot my .17HMR as much as I do my .22LR's, I'd be a pauper. At a minimum of 20,000rds a year, you're talking about $685 vs. $5200.

Norrick
December 20, 2010, 03:14 AM
the thing about 22's is you can get .5 inches at 50 yards... but it turns into 2 inches at 100. It opens up disproportionately compared to other calibers.

Some people will say because of the whole transonic barrier thing, I don't really buy into it, but with subsonic match ammo, the trend I described above still holds true in my experience.

But it makes it more of a challenge and more fun. I love to shoot 22lr's at 100

oldbanjo
December 20, 2010, 10:41 PM
I'm retired and thought it would be something to do when I'm not shooting Turtles in the Pond with the pellet Rifle. If your tired of shooting at 100yds try 200. That's what some are doing. I have 180yd range here and today I took measurements and will have 200+ next week. Haven't shot my Gun yet. I want to test with Factory sights first.

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