.22 Hornet prices: too good to be true?


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Marvinash
December 17, 2010, 11:49 AM
I've been shopping for a good price on .22 Hornet ammo and, for the most part, 20 rds go for about $40.00 (brass cased, non-corrosive HP, JHP, SP etc.)
Then I come across this PRVI Partizan that 50 rds. for $22.00!
I've purchased PRVI before in 9mm, 9X18 mak., .223 and .38 Spl. and it's decent stuff! And reasonably priced, but this .22 Hornet is, like, 75% cheaper than anything else I can find.
I can't help but succumb to that old idea that if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Does anyone have any experience with this brand in this caliber? I'm new to .22 Hornet and I'm trying to figure out all the things that might be wrong with a 45g SP that's mostly going to be used for varmints and target practice to get used to a new gun in an unfamiliar caliber.

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frank c
December 17, 2010, 05:26 PM
Hornaday 22 Hornet ammo is $13.99 25 round box from midsouth shooters supply.:D

rcmodel
December 17, 2010, 05:29 PM
Midway has it for $20 bucks.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=133870

I know nothing about it, except I wouldn't get my panties in a wad if it proved to be a little less accurate then U.S. made ammo.

Might be fine if you can live with that.

rc

Marvinash
December 17, 2010, 06:02 PM
I don't have a Savage M40 (reviews from Midway) so it might pay-off.
The Hornady? Gotta try a few boxes at that price.

Marvinash
December 17, 2010, 06:07 PM
Buy 5 boxes of the PRVI at Cabela's and get free shipping!

dirtyjim
December 18, 2010, 12:02 PM
i've been eyeballing prvi hornet ammo too.
i shoot prvi ammo out of quite a few of my rifles and its accurate enough plus in some calibers their loaded ammo goes for about what the brass from other manufactures sell for

stanger04
December 18, 2010, 12:25 PM
Privi is okay ammo, and better than nothing for sure. I've shot it some in 9mm as well. The only thing I've noticed in my experience (take for what you will, I'm not expert) is it is a little dirtier than other ammo but for the price I don't mind cleaning my gun more.

OYE
December 18, 2010, 05:26 PM
Winchester and Remington often box 50 rounds for 22 Hornet. Hornaday usually boxes 20 rounds I don't know about the Privi. This may account for some of the price differences. It's pretty sad that you can buy 30/06 ammo for almost the same price per round. Sure
makes the case for reloading the hornet.

Marvinash
December 22, 2010, 11:36 AM
I waited a little too long to follow up on Frank C.s tip about the Hornaday 35 g V-MAX at MidSouth Shooters supply, but yes they head it for $13.95 / 50 rd. Box.
Their supply was so low they could only spare me two (2) boxes. The price list said "Low Stock" so I was prepared to buy all they had. The ballistics spec.s on that round say it has a muzzle velocity of 3100 fps and 700+ lbs.energy @ 50 yds (am I misreading that?)
I'm not looking at any charts, but (from memory) even the milder rds. compare favorably over an M-1 carbine - not one of my favorite weapons.

As for the PRVI, I've been shooting the .308 in my Tanker Garand (t-26 w/ 18" barrel). Dirty? The Garand is a forgiving design; everything except unlinked M-60 rds. cycle flawlessly and my patches take three plunges to come out clean after 200 rds. Even the 1st. one isn't THAT bad.
As for 'buying American', Federal has S&B manufacturing their American Eagle; Winchester and Wetherby have their flagship bolt-actions made in Turkey.
I'm for 'buying American', but what does that mean?
I wish American Corp.s had SOME loyalty to their consumers!

BrocLuno
December 22, 2010, 12:17 PM
Never had a problem with Prvi Partizan. It seems to shoot well and I don't notice excess dirt or grunge.

Nice to have .22 Hornet in ready supply. Nice little cartridge and regaining favor :)

351 WINCHESTER
December 22, 2010, 12:21 PM
I don't care where ammo is made as long as it's good ammo. I like a little variety. I have found that the so called "cheap, imported ammo", in many cases is as good, if not better than our American made fodder.

Marvinash
December 22, 2010, 03:57 PM
If you like PRVI ammo, and you shoot .223 (5.56mm M193), Widener's Shooting & Reloading has the best prices and shipping costs I've ever come across.
This stuff is VERY high quality.
Best prices on PRVI .380 ACP too. (and 9X18 Mak...)
Widener's should start paying.me commission.

Marvinash
December 22, 2010, 04:35 PM
Any suggestions for a simple (single shot) but decent quality rifle in .22 Hornet?
I've gotten a lot of people on my block to go shooting with me - most of them had never held an actual firearm before. There's a buzz of interest among voting CA residents. The enthusiasm among women, in particular, is really something: vegan, decaf latte drinking, soccer moms coming over to get back issues of Shotgun News from my wife.

Now some folks are asking me about guns in this cool .22 Hornet.
I think the NEF is probably the best bang-for-your-buck entry level gun that comes in this caliber, but I'd appreciate any input on other models and good sources.
For some reason, many FL dealers refuse to deal with CA transfers. They've probably lost patience with trying to meet the screwy regulations for out-of-state sales, but a lot of them take out their hostility on the potential customer - the main victim of those laws.
Sorry, I digress.
I just want to get this caliber into some left-coast hands. Appreciate any suggestions.

Sebastian the Ibis
December 22, 2010, 06:03 PM
I'll gladly shoot PRVI over Remchester any day. From what I can tell it shoots just as good, if not better. It seems a little hotter than comparable domestic offerings, but I have not put it on a chrono so I don't know for sure. And most importantly, Aimsurplus pretty much has it available in every caliber (including 8mm Kurtz, honestly I didn't even know people shot that) at a price that is half-off Remchester at bass pro.

Furncliff
December 22, 2010, 06:26 PM
Marvinash. I was interested in this because I'm wanting a .22 Hornet myself. But this single shot would not work for me since I shoot off the bench mostly (old and shaky).

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=206757564

The rifle is simple without any nice checkering but it's a good solid design, that is well made. for the money it's at now it's a steal. The scope mount probably will not be found in the U.S. But there is a reputable seller on Gun Broker that will bring the part from Cz, for under $100.

Marvinash
December 22, 2010, 11:20 PM
Outstanding!
Thanks for the tip. I'm not that familiar with CZ, but it's got a great profile.

Just curious, what models are you looking into?

BrocLuno
December 23, 2010, 09:32 AM
That's what I was thinking. It seems the Euro's never lost faith in the 22 Hornet and kept building them all along. I seem to recall Ruger making some too. I'd be scrounging AuctionArms and GunBroker for .22 Hornet and see what you get? They been out there for close to 100 years, so there are plenty of used ones to choose from :)

In new - it could be Savage, CZ or any number of others: http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=9935_13987_14246_14272 :)

frank c
December 23, 2010, 12:30 PM
I own 3 hornets,Ruger,browning and CZ.All are tack drivers with the slight edge in accuracy goes to the CZ.:)

Furncliff
December 23, 2010, 02:18 PM
A Brno ZKW 465 is on my wish list. I have a Brno #1 made in the 1940's. They are well made and more accurate than any of my other rim fire rifles. I'm sure their hornet will be too.

Marvinash
December 23, 2010, 04:59 PM
That list of complaints in the customer reviews (PRVI in .22 Hornet from Cabela's) would scare me away from a Savage 40 in this caliber. I hear Savage makes better than expected rifles - in their price range - but certain types of .22 Hornet casings don't fire consistently. Even in a rifle that's not intended for personal defense, that's one of the most damning complaints I could hear.
I don't mean to offend any Ruger aficionados (and they are legion) but their tendency towards a heavy trigger pull (in every model, handgun and rifle) immediately removes them from any of my gun wish lists.
My most accurate shooter is my Winchester (circa 1956) Model 70 in .270, but if I could even find one in .22 Hornet I know I couldn't afford it.
I do bench shooting, too, but that CZ kept me awake last night. I don't NEED it, but that's never affected any of my previous purchases.

natman
December 24, 2010, 04:40 AM
Winchester and Wetherby have their flagship bolt-actions made in Turkey.


Could you elaborate on this a bit? AFAIK, Winchesters are now made in South Carolina and Weatherbys are made in Minnesota.

BrocLuno
December 24, 2010, 12:21 PM
I think some Weatherby's are made in Japan (Howa). I know about some shotguns made in Turkey, but not rifles ?

Marvinash
December 25, 2010, 12:25 AM
I'm basing what I know from episodes of American Rifleman. The guy starts talking about the drop in Winchester quality in 1964. Then he says, "But I"m here to tell you that the days of getting a high quality Model 70 are back!"

After citing all the improvements in the gun, he throws in, almost as an aside that "to keep costs down, they'll be manufactured in Turkey where there is a long tradition of firearm craftsmanship."

About a month later, as though they'd edited the same script, they talked about a "new, high-quality offering from Wetherby"

Can't remember the model.

Marvinash
December 25, 2010, 12:39 AM
I went back and read the post. You did say Weatherby.
It WAS on American Rifleman, the TV magazine of the NRA.
Manufacturing is a tricky word. If it was forged in Turkey, plants in the U.S. might be assembling them.
On the Weatherby firearm I recall the host of the show pointing out the fine engraving that could be hand-cut on them because of the low cost labor.

I assume you take issue with that statement. I'm not happy about it either and wish I were BSing
I had to edit two posts after I cooled off.

BrocLuno
December 25, 2010, 04:27 PM
I tried a search for "rifles manufactured in turkey" and got very little of civilian interest. Seems there is a viable arms industry in Turkey. Question is who is subb'ing what components to which factories?

I can see the US Gov't wanting to have some linkage with the Turkish arms industry as they move toward NATO acceptance. I just don't know how this translates to civilian rifles? More into needed.

Now the question comes - are there any .22 Hornets mfg'd in Turkey?

db_tanker
December 25, 2010, 09:58 PM
Winchester M-70's are made in South Carolina at the FN plant or so I have heard...not sure what you guys are talking about...heard something about a 22 bolt rifle that Winchester or Remington was importing from Russia I think.

There is a pellet rifle sold by both winchester and daisy that I managed to find that was built in Turkey I think...far from their bolt rifles.

Otherwise, their special edition rifles are generally made by Miroku in Japan.

Marvinash
December 28, 2010, 01:57 PM
As far as .22 Hornets go, that auction for the CZ Brno ZBK110 is over. The winner was some guy named....MARVINASH!

dan3
December 28, 2010, 05:02 PM
I love the .22 Hornet...started out with a 14" barrel on my T/C Contender with a 4x Leupold Piston scope...loved it. After 2 boxes of commercial ammo, I spent the princely sum of $16.oo and bought a Lee Loader kit. I found I can load 50-100 rds in the evening while just "sittin' around".

Marvinash
January 3, 2011, 07:04 PM
American Rifleman did a show on how Winchester was attempting to restore the quality reputation of it's M70 rifles and closed the story by saying that they would be made in Turkey. The obvious implication, to me, was that a quality rifle could not be made in the U.S. if keeping the price reasonable was also a factor.
The show about Weatherbys concerned a line of high quality shotguns - also to be made in Turkey. I'm more familiar with Weatherbys from the days when I lived and breathed ATA trap shooting. Meaning Weatherby trap-grade shotguns.
The ORIGINAL Win. Model 12 was always a favorite in it's trap model - surprising for a pump -it had a reputation for being "forgiving" (there have a been different trap grades of the Rem. 870s, but they've always been considered "beginners" guns. Comparing them to a Model 12 is a good way to get a laugh from the trap elite).
Why anybody thinks they know where anything is made today amazes me. The Chinese make a knock-off of the Ithaca Model 37, bottom ejecting, pump shotgun design that's beautified by Browning as their overpriced BPS. But I hear the Chinese give you a reasonably-priced, rugged - tho crude - shotgun made of high quality steel (no, I'm not saying the Browning is made in China).
The point is that I love Gun Tests magazine (yes, that was my point) because by not accepting advertising money they can commit a sacrilege on the scale of criticizing Rugers.
They (Gun Tests) tested the Weatherby shotgun made in Turkey and gave it a "D" - went for the obvious and called it a 'turkey'.

BrocLuno
January 4, 2011, 11:48 AM
As far as .22 Hornets go, that auction for the CZ Brno ZBK110 is over. The winner was some guy named....MARVINASH!
Yeah - now we need a range report and pictures :)

Marvinash
January 5, 2011, 04:51 PM
The gun pics will come soon: after my FFL receives it, and I go thru the 10 day waiting period on the DROS (for a single-shot rifle! Welcome to CA!)
We're also bogged down in [I]snow[I], something that hits Castaic about every fifty years.
The last time I saw snow was 1968 at Ft. Sill. CA guys were taking pictures of it, and guys from places like MN, MI, PA etc. were shaking their heads, saying, "yeah, see how much you love it in the morning!" -confirming everything their mamas had told them about people from CA.

Seriously, I wish my FFL would call and say he got it. I can't reach him, and I'm getting antsy...

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