all right boys let's break out the the target/varmint rifles and lets do some bragging!
i want to see your favorite target/varmint rifle that you own. Plus why is it your favorite? why did you pick it? What is it chambered in? To make a long story short everything!! pics greatly wanted!
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December 17, 2010, 10:31 PM
Great thread! I like the picture-heavy warnings! Okay, here are some pictures, but "aged"...a few months, some a few weeks. Range trip tomorrow should provide more opportunities.
First up: Remington M700 Police, .308 Winchester. It has a B&C Adjustable Tactical stock, Ferrell 20 MOA G-Force rail, Leupold Mark 4 30mm rings, Timney 4 ounce tactical trigger, a Nightforce 12-42X56 benchrest scope and a nice harris bi-pod. Sample of steel target provided. :D
Next is a Winchester M70 Stealth, .308 Win. It has a factory original B&C stock, Ferrell 0 MOA rail, Nightforce 30mm rings, Nightforce 3.5-15X56 scope and a Harris bi-pod. This was the rig I took deer hunting this year. Never mind I saw no deer on our property. I assure you, the deer had a meeting, and they voted to avoid the property where the Winchester Stealth was deployed.
I blush. :o I was having a very, very good day. We'll see how tomorrow goes. I may be eating crow. :D
December 17, 2010, 10:43 PM
Heres some of my Howa M-1500 .308<----(terrible cartridge (is what Jake1996 told me) sporter, it's an everything rifle, as it's MY only centerfire that I get to take wherever I go.
This one below is with wolf junk.
Heres a Pic of the gun from the day I brought her home, Now has new rings, I have 2 bipods, A couple slings, and it is cleaner, :D
December 17, 2010, 10:44 PM
Savage BV 22lr for stuff under 100yrds
DPMS Varmint getter 223 rem 20" bull SS for the small stuff inside of 300yrds.
Savage 10 308 Win for the bigger stuff inside of 600yrds or over if you can shoot LR.
December 17, 2010, 10:45 PM
Rhino why don't you show us some of your rifles?
December 17, 2010, 10:45 PM
I've been thinking a fun target/varmint rifle would be a Ruger #1 in .25-06
December 17, 2010, 10:46 PM
jd, that's pretty good shooting too! not exactly clear on the diagramming you're doing between bullet holes :) but those are some nice groups!
edited to add: i don't even have a pic of my varmint rifle, but it's a rem700 etronix in 220 swift with a leupold VX-L 6-20x and the 1/10th MOA target turrets
December 17, 2010, 10:50 PM
The diagramming (SP) was for a science fair project I was doing what determined the gun prefers Hornady 165 grain BTSP. (some groups were really good not posted)
and it was to make the "groups within a group" clear.
December 17, 2010, 10:52 PM
Man! Ya gotta love those DPMS varmint rigs, especially wit a stainless barrel. :cool:
I just recently acquired this to fill my heavy accuracy rifle void that was in my collection. It's built on a right bolt left port savage target action, the barrel is a 30" McGowan chambered for .308win. I'm hoping my sightron sII 4x16x42mm target scope will arrive tomorrow (thanks jbkebert)
In just starting out on my load development saga but I've already been rewarded by more than a few sub .6" 5shot groups, even with the 12x duplex reticle scope pictured As I dial
things in I fully expect to drop well into sub .5moa territory for 100 and 300m groups.
December 17, 2010, 10:56 PM
I dont get the JDM:?
explain please sir?
December 17, 2010, 10:58 PM
Love those Howa's...had two of them in Richards Microfit stocks... .308 and .223...have only the .223 heavy barrel left with Japanese Tasco 6x24 scope....will post pics later.
December 17, 2010, 11:26 PM
The following is currently employed solely for long range target use, but if I can find a spot to do a bit of varmint plinkin' I plan to give it a go. It is a Desert Tactical Arms- Stealth Recon Scout bullpup in .300 Win. Mag. The optics are provided by a Premier Reticles Heritage 5-25x56mmMTC sitting atop a 40MOA base. I mostly shoot steel (which is to say I am too lazy to place targets), so I don't have any groups, but it is capable of 0.25MOA (and this is repeatable!) on a good calm day (or any day in the hands of a great marksman that judges wind better than I).
The next one is a new addition that I picked up just for the action and stock. I originally intended to re-barrel it in .280Rem. and use it for a deer rifle, but this one shoots well, is useful for young folks (and those that are recoil sensitive), and has a twist fast enough for heavy bullets. It is a Parker Hale 1200-Super Varmint Mauser chambered in 6mmRem; scope is a Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x42mm gloss. If I can find a farmer looking to rid himself of those pesky groundhogs...i'd be more than happy to give her a shot as well.
December 17, 2010, 11:39 PM
I want that DTA mav.
Of course, I would have to get a .308 barrel to be able to afford to shoot it.
December 18, 2010, 12:05 AM
One day I am going to have to get out the Dig camera and overload my computer with pic files (maybe tomorrow or after x-mas) but my little ole list is as follows:
Custom .220swift built on a Mauser action with a Hart barrel now sitting in a Precision Ballard lowboy (was a mighty tough fit but we got it finally) Prints well into the sub MOA range as long as my blind rear does what Im supposed to.
Another .220swift on a TC pro hunter frame. Also prints well into sub MOA
22.250 Hart barrel on a Savage 110 action in a McMillan stock. Prints WELL into sub MOA
Plain Jane .223 Savage 110. Also prints well into sub MOA but I had to lap the hell out of the barrel to get it to as well as recrown and glass bed the action.
Target rifles, Well I guess that would be about every other rifle I own. I tend to take them all to the range at one time or another.
December 18, 2010, 12:11 AM
CZ 550 Varmint Laminated Stock .22-250 topped with a Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical 6-24x50
It is my favorite, because it is the only dedicated centerfire varmint rifle I have. I picked it because CZ has a great reputation, the gun looks terrific and I was sold on the single set trigger. In the end it was down to the CZ, the Remington 700 VLS (still looking to buy one) and the Savage 10 FCV.
I haven't even shot it yet
December 18, 2010, 12:14 AM
This isnt a favorite but it's my latest build.
December 18, 2010, 12:18 AM
DoubleA, You are starting to catch up to me in armory son! Nice weapons cache! Should I drool now or later?
December 18, 2010, 12:20 AM
I want that DTA mav.The bad news is, I don't think I am quite ready to part with it yet...but the good news is I think they made two! :D Thanks for the kind words, JD.
BTW, the .300WM isn't that costly if you handload (a great deal better than the .338LM that I considered to begin with).
December 18, 2010, 09:15 AM
DoubleA, What the heck happened to the nice photos you originally posted? Wow 2 steps forward 3 steps back.
December 18, 2010, 11:24 AM
Top to bottom:
.358 WSSM (Redding version), Savage 11 FNCS action, Manson reamer, 22" McGowen barrel, 1:14" twist, Redfield Tracker 3-9x40. Shoots 1/2" groups.
.308 Win, Savage 110 FP, stock, shoots MOA groups with eveything, 3/4" groups with FGMM. Goal is 3/8" 5-shot groups with handloads, used to wear the Redfield, now wears BSA Platinum 6-24x44 Mil-Dot reticle, haven't shot it yet w/ the new scope.
.22 LR, Savage Mark II BV, BSA Target Platinum 6-24x44 1/8 MOA target dot reticle, stock, shoots 0.3" to 0.4" groups. Have shot sub-0.2" groups.
Hoping to get close to 3000fps with the 75gr amax. I am heading to the shop right now to start load development and chrongrahping, fingers are crossed.:D
December 18, 2010, 02:53 PM
not as improved as I thought they were.
but that is a heavy .223 bullet.
December 18, 2010, 03:02 PM
Well, I only have a miserable Nikon that doesn't take decent pictures so I apologize for that. But this is my favorate, a Remington 700 Varmint Special in .25-06 that I bought new in 1979.
Why is it my favorite? Never seen a cartridge that is as versatile or can hit ground hogs like the 06. I had it topped with a Leupold M8 24x and if I could see a ground hog it was in mortal danger no matter what the distance. Jump up in bullet weight and its gone deer hunting and even bear hunting with me. In this picture it has a Weaver T24x scope that I was testing.
The 87 gr varmint bullets at 3400 fps are devastating.
A few years ago the barrel wore out. I replaced the barrel with a Krieger match, again in .25-06 Rem. What was good before is amazing now. It groups about 1/2" at 100 yards. So far 30 rounds through it with the new barrel.
I also have a Winchester 70 Stealth in .308 Win and another 700 VS Stainless in .22-250, both are good but just don't hold my interest like the 06.
Wow, I like that 700, Reminds me of my Ex- Stepdad's 700 BDL in 7mm mag except that one has a bull barrel.
How far have you shot that out to?
December 18, 2010, 03:24 PM
JDMorris, thanks. The longest shot I ever measured was 525 yards. I've made longer shots but never really measured them. That rifle and cartridge has amazed me for 30+ years. You can't see what you hit as it has some recoil, but you can hear the bullet hit, sounds like a slap.
Sadly Remington no longer chambers the .25-06 in a varmint rifle, a mistake in my opinion.
December 18, 2010, 03:33 PM
Haha, I call that squirrel thump.
I like using subsonics in my .22's for that reason.
that is the most rewarding noise you ever hear.
How much are you paying per box of good ammo for that?
December 18, 2010, 03:52 PM
That rifle to date has only seen 4 boxes of store ammo. I remember when I bought the gun I had a feeling the .25-06 wasn't going to be around long so started reloading. My last trip to Walmart I saw they sell .25-06 ammo now, so I guess it's gotten more popular over the years.
I still remember paying $238 for the rifle and $190 for the Leupold scope. At the time that was a piece of change.
When I had the barrel replaced I also had everything else trued on the action, added a Timney trigger and had everything re-bedded.
The new barrel seems to like the 87 gr bullets the best so far. I tried 100 gr for awhile but accuracy was nothing like the lighter bullet. Probably just needs a little more tinkering with the load.
Funny that a friend almost talked me into selling it when the barrel wore out. But I thought about all the years of enjoyment I had hunting on the farms around here, and decided to rebarrel.
December 18, 2010, 04:26 PM
That is awesome! I wish I had bought a 700V in .25-06 Rem when they were still made. When I bought mine, I went with the 6mm Rem instead. Regardless, those old-styled stocks have always been so attractive.
December 18, 2010, 04:29 PM
Do your 700's ever Go off when you flip your safety?
December 18, 2010, 05:10 PM
I've never had a problem with any of mine going off with the safety. The one in the picture is the only 700 that had the safety that you had turn off to move the bolt. I'll admit that I did have the trigger work done by a competent gunsmith.
Also I always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction anytime I'm using a gun. I have never trusted a safety.
December 18, 2010, 05:48 PM
The only safety I trust is my ability to point the muzzle in a safe direction. All other safeties are just for insurance :)
December 18, 2010, 06:23 PM
None of my Remington 700s ever has had a trigger/safety issue. All the same, all of my triggers, of all brands of rifle, eventually get traded-out for Timney 1.5 Lb. target triggers, or Timney 4 Oz Tactical triggers.
December 18, 2010, 06:52 PM
Just went to the range today.
Rifle is a Savage 12 BTCSS
Pillar Bedded with Devcon 10110
Ground recoil lug.
Millet LRS-1 Scope
December 18, 2010, 07:44 PM
To clarify, about 3 years back, I bought a DPMS rifle, in .308 Win. It was defective. <<You can search the link>> I sent it back to DPMS, and they made it into a custom rifle. We had seveeeeeeral back and forth calls, and DPMS did just what I wanted to that rifle. In the end, I had a custom DPMS, with a 3-pound steel receiver (total weight appx 19 pounds), that fired 0.25 center-to-center groups. They remounted the barrel in such a way that they estimated it to take about 200 round just to break in the tightness of the chamber.
With that process, DPMS really earned my respect. Though, I always wondered about having had such a rifle assembled in 5.56mm. And especially with a STS barrel.
December 18, 2010, 09:34 PM
not as improved as I thought they were.
but that is a heavy .223 bullet.
What does your 223AI produce with a 75gr Amax? What powders are you using? Can you help with suggesting any personal knowledge with the 223AI?
What velocity you expecting out of that 223ai?
taliv, I tried a couple of 223AI loads this afternoon. With Varget and the 75gr Amax seated to 2.513" which is .010" off the lands. This load averaged 3040fps anda SD of 9 through my chronograph. It's shooting ok, though I'll probably tinker a bit with OAL.
5 shot groups@100yds Left .39" Right .15"
December 18, 2010, 09:39 PM
I wasn't being sarcastic DubbleA, I just thought the .223AI was a barrel burner at 4000ish for a while, I never really told you I knew a better way and 75 grains is a heavy .223 bullet so It probably would be up there with 50grainers is what I meant.
Don't be so quick to think I'm insulting that fantastic rifle that I drooled over the first time I saw it. I just thought that was a faster round is all I meant.
December 18, 2010, 09:46 PM
DoubleA, Thats a might far off the lands for a heavy 75gr in a .223 don't you think? Been a while since I loaded for one so maybe my brain is malfunctioning (wouldn't be the first time) but I seem to remember always seating the heavy ones a bit closer. Granted you did get some pretty sporty grouping there though. One "flyer" but not bad at all.
December 19, 2010, 12:04 PM
heres a pic of mine, not really a target or varmint but i do both with it.
its a remington 700sps 7 mm rem mag that i bought new in march, rebarreled with a 26" .850" straight taper ershaw barrel. put the helical fluting on it cause the wife was yelling at me for "wasting money" lol, guess i showed her how to waste money.
i bought a bdl stock and opened to 1 1/8 inch to accept the barrel and then put a magpul flat dark earth dura coat on it.
it shoots great but i dont have any targets to post now so ill keep it shut till i can
I have a savage in 7mm that I loved and its great for muledeer and elk. The round is very versitile and shoots great. The 7mm ballistics are hard to beat for long shots. I've taken 3 deer with it and not having to track one down is a big plus. Right bullet right load and the right shooter make any rifle a hell of an all around gun but the magnum takes any what if out of the mix.
December 19, 2010, 01:35 PM
I use a Winchester Model 70 Heavy Barrel Varmint in .308. The twist is 1 in 12, and I'm able to use something as light as Hornady's 110 gr V-Max all the way up to Sierra's 175 gr MatchKing with excellent accuracy.
Winchester made the HBV with a stainless barrel for only a few years before they switched to a blued chrome moly barrel for cost savings. Everything I heard or read about people who own one or the other report that the factory stainless barrels were/are slightly more accurate.
I got group sizes in the teens at 100 yards when it was new. Years and about 6,000 rounds later it's begun to open up to about .75 MOA on me. In the new year it's being shipped out to get a Hart barrel put on it, and I'll probably settle on a 24 inch to replace the factory 26 inch length.
Plus why is it your favorite? why did you pick it? What is it chambered in?
Because .308 gives me plenty of distance for my area. I like the higher B.C. on the .30 caliber round over the .22 caliber. It makes shooting in field conditions easier. I've got to judge wind and distance much more accurately with a .22 caliber round.
I picked it after seeing a friend's of the exact same model. It had everything I wanted. I'm a Model 70 man, and this came out of the box with a good H-S Precision stock and a great barrel.
I put a Leupold fixed 12X Varminter scope on it. It has the older-style, Marine-spec oval Mil-Dot reticle. I'm just a fan of that style. Leupold discontinued that model years ago, but I love it. 12X is plenty for me, and the cost was a good bit less than a variable of the same quality. I've never had a situation when 12X was too much. I've taken groundhogs with it as close as 30 yards and never felt like I needed a lower setting.
I've shot out as far as 1,000 yards with it, but it's practical limitation is about 800. The scope tube is only an inch, so I don't get the range of adjustment a 30mm tube gives me. With a 15 MOA base I can get to 1,000 yards with Lapua's 155 gr Scenar, but it's not really why I got the rifle. 800 yards is plenty enough challenge.
December 19, 2010, 01:42 PM
One more, my Winchester 70 Stealth in .308 Win. Not a varminter but bought it for target shooting.
Nice gun, I want one like that in .223Per my understanding Winchester discontinued that particular model. Furthermore, they were never as popular as the .308Win. version (why that is the case I haven't a clue) so you might want to grab one when you get the chance.
December 19, 2010, 08:28 PM
Want, and getting, are very different mav ;)
I will probably get another Howa when I buy a .223 varmint rifle, that or a Rem SPS tac.
but that is a bit down the road...
December 20, 2010, 10:50 AM
Per my understanding Winchester discontinued that particular model. Furthermore, they were never as popular as the .308Win. version (why that is the case I haven't a clue) so you might want to grab one when you get the chance.
It was even a surprise to me. About 3 months ago I wanted to pick up another Stealth only in .22-250 Rem. There are none. I found a few on the auction sites for over 1k but that's to rich for my blood.
The Stealth in the picture was bought right after Winchester announced closing the plant, believe the price was $540 back then.
December 20, 2010, 05:06 PM
Joed, Perhaps they will add a few more later on. They recently added several new series (SS fwt., safari, ult. shadow, and fwt. deluxe), so they might expand some of the existing ones, or build you what you want in the custom shop (if they have one). I wouldn't bank on asking their CS reps., when I asked them if a .375H&H would be amongst their new offerings (after they said new models were coming, but had yet to disclose the chamberings), they replied that there wasn't enough interest and that wasn't a consideration...3mo. later they unveiled the safari line with a .375H&H. I would have waited on it had I known it was forthcoming...but ended up buying one a month or so before (their loss, I positively love that Mauser!).
December 21, 2010, 09:07 AM
Savage FTR .308
Bushnell 4200 8x32-40
I have picture of some of my targets but not posted so I'll have to do that later.
December 21, 2010, 10:01 AM
Savage-Stevens 200 in .223. Simmons scope, Burris rings, DIY benchrest. No modifications. ~$400 for everything, out the door.
Largest groups are with 40 grain loads, smallest with 50 grain Noslers and Sierra Blitzkings. I like the 300 yard, 1.427" 5 shot group. I shot a 500 yard 4.5" 5 shot group the one time I tried it that far out. Longest range finder confirmed kill: 469 yards on a small ground squirrel on a windy afternoon in NE CA. A fantastic rifle!
December 21, 2010, 11:45 AM
Wow, thats a tough shot on a bushy tail, Most of my squirrels have been under 100 yards and mostly headshots, with an old Winchester Model 67 single shot.
I wonder how much fun that would be....
December 21, 2010, 11:59 AM
Here is my .223 SPS TAC with a 3-9 leupold on it and a couple groups at a lasered 300 yards. This rifle is totally stock except for a trigger adjustment. I got real lucky on this one. This rifle has always been exceptional in the accuracy dept. Always sub MOA with a good load. After about 1800 rounds through it I'd noticed this carbon buildup in the throat that wouldn't come out no matter what I did. I just ignored it for awhile (I know, I know) until the accuracy started dropping off. I finally couldn't take it anymore and got some JB paste and spent an hour or two scrubbing. It never did get totally perfect, but maybe 90%. Anyway, I load up two different loads using Berger 70 VLD and a couple powders and head to the desert. It was a rare TOTALLY windless day and I used a bench master rest to take out as much human error as possible.
WOW, I guess that made a difference! This was in late oct. of this year and since then I took a coyote at a lasered 475 yards and another at 124. I know, your saying "where's the five shot groups"? Hey, it a coyote rifle...that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.