.380 ACP Carbine


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merlinfire
December 18, 2010, 11:20 AM
Is one made?

Yes, I know it won't see the kind of improvement you'd see from a 9mm carbine or a .357 carbine. I am just wondering if anyone still makes one?

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husker
December 18, 2010, 11:28 AM
I think some one asked this a few years ago. & the answer was pretty much no.
this link might help http://www.komotomo.com/carbines.html

Marlin 45 carbine
December 18, 2010, 11:33 AM
only 2 that I know of, the T/C that you can order chambered in .380 and a clone of the Tec9 that I'm not sure is still made. can't remember name of it.

bikerdoc
December 18, 2010, 11:36 AM
Sadly no. During my long recovery from surgery I did some research, nada.
Might be a fun toy, or as Col. Cooper said " A solution to a non existant problem" But still if you reload I would be inclined to play with one. Why ? damifino.

I did see a scorpion imitation in 32 at the gun store, I was not impressed.

Storm
December 18, 2010, 11:43 AM
While I can understand that someone might want a .380 pistol/carbine pairing, other than that a .380 carbine seems rather pointless to me.

merlinfire
December 18, 2010, 11:58 AM
While I can understand that someone might want a .380 pistol/carbine pairing, other than that a .380 carbine seems rather pointless to me.

Not all guns have to have a tacticool purpose.

Some can just be fun!

Storm
December 18, 2010, 12:08 PM
I said nothing about tacticool.

380 can be expensive and has been hard to find. I understand owning a gun for the joy of having it and shooting it, but the 380 would be one of my very last choices for a carbine any which way you stack it.

hso
December 18, 2010, 12:16 PM
There aren't any. All the reasons given so far, low power, expense, lack of benefit of longer barrel all pretty much explain why. Add that 9mm lends itself much better to the application (and there were very few of those until recently) and we have another reason that they never evolved.

merlinfire
December 18, 2010, 12:52 PM
Surprisingly, the 380 auto cartridge does appear to benefit up to 18"

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/380auto.html

9mm adds somewhere between 300-400fps over 3", 380 auto something like 200-300

32 Magnum
December 18, 2010, 01:06 PM
The Coray CM-12 was a .380 ACP Carbine - ironically I saw one not more than a month ago at a gun show. Not made anymore and not many around. I believe there were some of the Czech SKORPIONs imported with carbine length barrels and stock - in .380 rather than .32 - but I can't find any citations to support this errant memory.

Storm
December 18, 2010, 02:01 PM
Surprisingly, the 380 auto cartridge does appear to benefit up to 18"

Sure, there are going to be benefits with a longer barrel with most any caliber, but again, why would I choose a .380 over a round like 9mm that is smooth shooting, has much better ballistics, cost, and availablity? The same question would apply to an arms manufacturer who has to make a siginificant investment to offer a carbine in a caliber that will be a rather weak choice. Heck, I don't think that even High Point offers one.

Note: I mention High Point only because they do offer them in 9mm, .40 and .45, calibers for which they also offer handguns. It looks like their carbines are heavily platformed upon their handguns, so if anyone would offer one in .380 it might be them. Beretta has offered the .380 for many, many years but chose the same three calibers for their carbines.

JFrame
December 18, 2010, 02:11 PM
I guess the .380 might have some application in a submachine gun, but other than that, I agree with the general tenor of the responses that a .380 carbine would fall into a "non-existent problem/solution" category.

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armoredman
December 18, 2010, 02:28 PM
The Skorpion is being looked at as being imported in .380 by Czechpoint USA, but no updates lately. They do have the Skorpion in .32, as both a pistol or NFA short barreled rifle if you want to jump through the hoops.

zhyla
December 18, 2010, 07:01 PM
I guess the MAC-11 kinda/sorta counts as a carbine (when the folding stock is deployed).

.380 is great for designs that need to be small. It's just plain stupid for long guns.

TexasPatriot.308
December 18, 2010, 07:13 PM
what do people want next....a .25acp carbine.....the .380 would seem pretty pointless to me,....first of all, would it cycle good enuf??

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